Feed Back Pulse OP?

drakeford · January 2015

Hi all.

Is it me or is Feedback Pulse more deadly than ever. Any idiot with a feedback pulse can now kill an escort in alpha strike.

It does not even seem to matter wether or not they spec into Part Gen. With escorts getting so much more destructive I can see the need for balancing but my escort has been dying within it's first strike of surg strikes 3 or crf 2

I get the whole idea of this game developing and so is always a work in progress but surely an escort instapopping itself is a little mad.

Still loving the game tho. Congrats on the new boff training, the ui is much clearer.

Shakti

scurry5 · January 2015

That's why you have to be careful when blowing an alpha on someone and keep an eye on their buffs. Or bluff him into using FBP before using your full alpha.

Now, I personally feel that Particle Manipulator has made anything particle-generator related a tad screwy, but I don't think someone using Surgical Strikes (the ultimate in spike damage and frequently argued to be somewhat unbalanced) should be complaining.

TL;DR: Don't complain that paper is OP when you're playing rock.

notrealedna · January 2015

scurry5 wrote: »

That's why you have to be careful when blowing an alpha on someone and keep an eye on their buffs. Or bluff him into using FBP before using your full alpha.

Well keep an eye on their buffs but also keep an eye on tribble to see whats the new icon version.Icons need changing all the time so you have something new to learn.

lucho80 · January 2015

drakeford wrote: »

Any idiot with a feedback pulse can now kill an escort in alpha strike.

Any idiot in an escort can kill a science ship with an alpha strike (Surgical strikes and/or Neutronic TS3).

Don't dish it if you can't take it.

dontdrunkimshoot · January 2015

yep its broke as a joke, one of the key factors in the current pvp ruination. sci caps think thier ships need to be the best at every role though, so they will bend over backward to defend its broken magnitude. last time exotic damage wasn't totally broken op in pvp was season 8.

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dontdrunkimshoot · January 2015

beameddown wrote: »

your more deadlier thats the dif,

feedback returns an amount back to you, most fbp boats can easily get to a 2or 3 return with little effort (consoles, skill points, deflector, etc)

and depending on the fbp (1,2, or 3) you do 100 damage and he can send back to you 300, and so on

FBP damage also has 50% shield pen, so even if it returns less then 100% back, the person shooting is getting hit MUUUUUUUUUCH harder then the person getting hit. thanks to the crafting trait, FBpulses will almost always crit too.

a single weapons cycle of CRF, or ever activating FAW is a death sentence, wile the sci ship just stays within 10 of you. and runs ALL it's defense skills and ALL its offense out of a single sub system, or in the case of complementary torps, not needing any power levels in anything.

maximus614 · January 2015

drakeford wrote: »

Hi all.

Is it me or is Feedback Pulse more deadly than ever. Any idiot with a feedback pulse can now kill an escort in alpha strike.

It does not even seem to matter wether or not they spec into Part Gen. With escorts getting so much more destructive I can see the need for balancing but my escort has been dying within it's first strike of surg strikes 3 or crf 2

I get the whole idea of this game developing and so is always a work in progress but surely an escort instapopping itself is a little mad.

Still loving the game tho. Congrats on the new boff training, the ui is much clearer.

Shakti

FBP is total bull#### now,,,some say "oh just get a torp boat" well i run an energy wep boat on an escort, im not going to spend zen to respec and spend ECs or dilith to get all torps/mines/consoles just to combat 1-2 idiots that are running a sci ship speced in part gens, with all the rom embassy part gen consoles and or deflectors and what not that boost that stuff. Its crazy, you are right, one alpha that crits with a BO when someone pops FBP and you practically one shot yourself, its stupid as hell. People talk about having no skill,,i would say killer FBP builds are the most skilless thing in the game,,,"oh pop this button and just float around and watch everyone commit mass suicide yay im a pro now"

drakeford · January 2015

Thanks for the feedback. (pun intended)

As to watching buffs and stopping firing as and when needed, I have done these things. I don't think some of you listened when I said that I am getting instapopped!!!!

I play all of the career paths and have done so since beta. I have long been aware of FBP and its uses/limitations. There is more going on here. IT IS BROKEN

Shakti

atlantra · January 2015

Feed back pulse great! One of the most balanced skills in the game.

No matter how much firepower and power creep, FBP will always have a role. 80k DPS? No problem... Surgical Strikes BS, no problem it's just a free kill.

People can't just stop firing. I haven't met an energy using escort yet that didn't die doing a 1vs1 with me. FACT.

Nearly a 100% crit rate for a fully buffed FBP. My only suggestion cryptic should double the FBP damage when beams hit... To be honest FBP should only work against beams.

There's just too much damage flying around, they need to release a Duty Officer that allows FBP to reflect torpedo damage... This will counter that neutronic torpedo. For balance reasons the doff will disable energy feedback and trade it for kinetic.

Very important to have solid counters in a game...

tunebreaker · January 2015

So you want to make science even more useless than it already is?

noroblad · January 2015

FBP has a very long cooldown, and it does not last long. Its pretty balanced I would say, due to those two things... drop your target, do a 180, and get out of there until it wears off. Or, do TBR and knock them out of range. Or something.

Yes, if you shoot something too much with it up, you will kill yourself. That is what the skill does. It makes huge, bright blue blobs on the screen. Can't miss it ... stop shooting.

maximus614 · January 2015

atlantra wrote: »

Feed back pulse great! One of the most balanced skills in the game.

No matter how much firepower and power creep, FBP will always have a role. 80k DPS? No problem... Surgical Strikes BS, no problem it's just a free kill.

People can't just stop firing. I haven't met an energy using escort yet that didn't die doing a 1vs1 with me. FACT.

Nearly a 100% crit rate for a fully buffed FBP. My only suggestion cryptic should double the FBP damage when beams hit... To be honest FBP should only work against beams.

There's just too much damage flying around, they need to release a Duty Officer that allows FBP to reflect torpedo damage... This will counter that neutronic torpedo. For balance reasons the doff will disable energy feedback and trade it for kinetic.

Very important to have solid counters in a game...

Lmao off i have now hear it all,,,you want FBP not only buffed, but to reflect torp damage too HAHAHAHAHAHA. Win win for you. Some of you say "oh just watch the buffs and dont shoot" i have a fleetmate that runs 2x copy FBP,,so his downtime is small, and he is full of cheesy sci TRIBBLE,,the window to hit him is so small i practically cannot kill him,,soon as i catch FBP on CD he hits me with sci cheese that screws me all up and when thats done his FBP is back up again, FBP needs nerfed, not buffed, that is insane to fire one cycle at someone and it literally blows you up when your 100% shields/hull.

bobtheyak · January 2015

FBP is pretty weak against anything but fully buffed DPS ships with upgraded weapons. Doubtful it'd still be prevalent if there weren't so many vapers doing stupid amounts of damage.

maximus614 · January 2015

bobtheyak wrote: »

FBP is pretty weak against anything but fully buffed DPS ships with upgraded weapons. Doubtful it'd still be prevalent if there weren't so many vapers doing stupid amounts of damage.

What is the point in a vaper, if someone can hit a button and your vape just instavapes yourself?

How bout all the times in combat in the heat of the moment that you dont look at their buffs and foolishly fire a BO at a FBP??? Im sure we have all done it.

notrealedna · January 2015

never found fbp a problem ,broken bleedthrough that makes shields useless is a problem but fbp is not one of them if you follow buff icons.

atlantra · January 2015

bobtheyak wrote: »

FBP is pretty weak against anything but fully buffed DPS ships with upgraded weapons. Doubtful it'd still be prevalent if there weren't so many vapers doing stupid amounts of damage.

Exactly... People are just doing insane damage. Someone even died to a un-buffed FBP (aka 0.30 FBP). I LOL'ed. Such powerful DPS. I wasn't even full aux.

For the distant future:

"Yay I have a ship with 15 tactical consoles."

...FBP still wouldn't care. That's the beauty of it

bobtheyak · January 2015

maximus614 wrote: »

What is the point in a vaper, if someone can hit a button and your vape just instavapes yourself?

Wait to one-shot someone during FBP's 45 second downtime.

virusdancer · January 2015

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notrealedna · January 2015

virusdancer wrote: »

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lucho80 · January 2015

virusdancer wrote: »

Child: Ouch, the stove is hot.
Mom: Don't touch it while it's on.
Child: Ouch, stupid stove.
Mom: What did I say?
Child: Ouch.
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Lol, right on point.

FBP is no more annoying than escorts using surgical strikes to insta pop targets. You can't say the crazy damage escorts are putting out is perfectly fine and complain about a countermeasure.

illcadia · January 2015

Wait for fbp to cooldown then vape them. Or don't shoot them for the duration and shoot someone else. Or have high enough resists that your reflected damage can't kill you. Or mount some torps and shoot those. Or subnuke the guy.

heckgoblin · January 2015

I, the glorious and always correct Istvaan Shogaatsu, declare FBP to be perfectly balanced. Those of you rendered incorrect by my proclamation may now retreat to your hovels, and weep in shame over your wrongness and ignorance.

dontdrunkimshoot · January 2015

bobtheyak wrote: »

FBP is pretty weak against anything but fully buffed DPS ships with upgraded weapons. Doubtful it'd still be prevalent if there weren't so many vapers doing stupid amounts of damage.

ive been killed in a single CRF cycle. if you use FAW and theres a FBP boat on the other team you practicly kill yourself. FBP durration is as long as any energy weapon buff, and its cooldown isnt that low, same as TSS, and most run 2 copies. unlike any tac ship these FBP ships just got to worry about axu and shield power to tank and deal all their non torp damage. between cooldowns there's RSP, for the voth sci there's it's FBP console, temporal can turn back the clock, there's hardly any time were they are vulnerable. plus even being around them puts you on the defensive cause your getting your hull torn up by torp spam and TBR and any attempt to fight back gets you killed faster.

bobtheyak · January 2015

dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »

ive been killed in a single CRF cycle.

A single CRF cycle vapes people now.

maximus614 · January 2015

virusdancer wrote: »

Child: Ouch, the stove is hot.
Mom: Don't touch it while it's on.
Child: Ouch, stupid stove.
Mom: What did I say?
Child: Ouch.
Mom: Don't touch it while it's on.
Child: Ouch...that hurt.
Dad: Honey, I'm sorry I bought the generic condoms.

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maximus614 · January 2015

lucho80 wrote: »

Lol, right on point.

FBP is no more annoying than escorts using surgical strikes to insta pop targets. You can't say the crazy damage escorts are putting out is perfectly fine and complain about a countermeasure.

I dont have SSs,,,i dont fly a tier 6 intel, next?

For the record, i dont like SSs,,,ionic,,,viral torps,,or any other broken down cheesy, chain disable, mass dps bull TRIBBLE.

maximus614 · January 2015

illcadia wrote: »

Wait for fbp to cooldown then vape them. Or don't shoot them for the duration and shoot someone else. Or have high enough resists that your reflected damage can't kill you. Or mount some torps and shoot those. Or subnuke the guy.

High enough resist???

I have a fleet neutronium,,am speced in resist values, and use aux2damp which boost them even more, and easily one firing cycle from me coming back will kill me, or at least put me at 20% hull which means any fool at that point can run up on me and instakill me.

I cannot use subnuke in my ship.

If i use torps then i need to respec as im not speced in kinetic damage.

dontdrunkimshoot · January 2015

bobtheyak wrote: »

A single CRF cycle vapes people now.

i ment my CRF cycle into a FBP ship it activated as soon as i opened fire. but ya mk14 weapon zindies have just about been killing with 1 CRF cycle since DR too lol.

sharxtreme · January 2015

FBP is one of rare skills that are balanced and needed.
Here: a quad FBP kill in 10 seconds, full team kill in 15 with no partigens and half aux:
http://youtu.be/i5ewZBZbN9c?t=49s

But those that use a ship just for FBP(and there are many) were always problem for their team.

dontdrunkimshoot · January 2015

sharxtreme wrote: »

FBP is one of rare skills that are balanced and needed.
Here: a quad FBP kill in 10 seconds, full team kill in 15 with no partigens and half aux:
http://youtu.be/i5ewZBZbN9c?t=49s

But those that use a ship just for FBP(and there are many) were always problem for their team.

the last time FBP was balanced was season 8, before the super boosted crafting exotic damage buff. 1 CRF cycle, and ever using FAW, should never be a death sentence, you cant be serious saying post season 8 FBP is balanced.

Feed Back Pulse OP?

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