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http://steamcharts.com/app/9900#3m
here ya go steam user statistics
proves: more ppl came back or joined the game when LoR was launched than with DR
so whats the best expansion now huh?
proves: with the release of DR the palyernumber increased from ~3000 to ~ 5400
and since then to now dropped to ~2400 so in fact less then before the release
this is not counting the players just logging in to doff and R&D
so I guess the statement STO is not healthy but growing does not mean the number of palyers but the money income right?
edit: STO is in the TOP 100 most played games of steam list number 92 or so
here ya go steam user statistics
proves: more ppl came back or joined the game when LoR was launched than with DR
so whats the best expansion now huh?
proves: with the release of DR the palyernumber increased from ~3000 to ~ 5400
and since then to now dropped to ~2400 so in fact less then before the release
this is not counting the players just logging in to doff and R&D
so I guess the statement STO is not healthy but growing does not mean the number of palyers but the money income right?
edit: STO is in the TOP 100 most played games of steam list number 92 or so
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its like when it is election you take a small number of votes, count them
and extrapolate and its +/- 5% your result
btw I AM using steam and I dont have any issues...
the rubberbanding lately has nothing to do with steam
Nope, it only shows that less people use steam now then with DR. I for example stop using steam few weeks ago and now start game using launcher directly. I will drop from your 'statistic' but I'm still in the game.
yeah you are right steam became very unpoular since its last updates not listening to the players n stuff
very likely more than 2000 players switched to arch
BWUAHAHAHAHAHAAA
in fact more and more ppl are using steam in general
so some1 who uses steam not only for STO is much unlikely to abandon it
I dont know why you compare apples and solar systems which makes no sense but
of all the ppl I play with the MAJORITY is using steam, soem are using the old launcher and
then there are 2 using arc
I myself used arch to get the goodies kahn uniform and the lobi+shuttle and then uninstalled it
also you can take the steam numbers extrapolate an its +/- 5% the correct numbers
same you can do with presidents election...
Answer in red, by several orders of magnitude.
I, for one, don't use Steam (for STO - I use it for plenty of other games). I've also encouraged and helped everyone in my gaming community to also not use Steam (again, for STO). Instead, we all use the original launcher. It works quite well and is tiny; oh, and it also doesn't spy on us. :mad: That is just one small sample demonstrating that Steam stats aren't necessarily the best to draw conclusions from.
On the flip side, I would argue that Steam represents a percentage of the playerbase, and has a large enough sample size that it can demonstrate general trends. If a percentage of the total playerbase start or stop playing STO, a similar percentage will be reflected in the Steam stats, thanks to the powers of statistical average distribution.
Bottom line: you can draw some vague conclusions that are probably accurate, but we don't have the total metrics. PWE might be willing to write off every quitter as long as they remain profitable. DR obviously brought a lot of profit in (thanks to the God-awful R&D monetization), so players quitting over it aren't really a concern to the penny-pinching Chinese overlords.
If I have option to launch something directly without steam, I will start it directly, just because it is one less program running in background.
If you want to show general trends then get numbers from more than 50% possible ways to log in the game right now it's only statistic for steam log in, not STO log in.
If Opel sell stats show that they sell less number of the newest model then previous does that mean that all motor industry shows decrease in sells? No, it may be caused by global trend, but it also can be only happening for that one company. With only such statistics provided you can't told anything about global.
I agree, to this.
The process of projections begins by having source of informations [Arc, Steam, Cryptic Launcer]
Yes, we have only one Source, that is not ideal ...
But in a Election you use precincts, they are selected to by random chance, like a lottery.
even if you use the worst kind of precinct for projection you get useful numbers
you can scale the numbers up to a useful State wide election statistic.
even if the "Steam" sample only represent 10% or even 5% of the entire STO playerbase.
the numbers are legit
i could explain an entire Projection Process in detail ... but nobody wants to read about that ...
IT IS SURE
Star Trek Online has a shrinking Playerbase. --> AT THE MOMENT
I]somewhere from 15% to 20% from October to Now alone[/I
possilble Reasons:
- this years Winterevent was quickly solved by the old players, most of them had some or all of the Q Pictures already in there Bank and don´t needed to play all the time.
- The Connections Problems at the moment cause many players to not play the game
- many Players are not happy about the new Upgrade System and the expensive Dilithium costs
- I am sure that is connected to the fact that Dilithium Farming is much more times consuming than before.
Just Wait for the Anniversary, they come back
then we will know more.
We don't know if those users have switched to Arc or left...
I have steam, but i still use the launcher to start STO.
We also don't know if players started playing that didn't play STO before and are now using the Arc Platform because any advertisement or link for the game other than Steam will lead to an Arc client.
Also, post DR:
November 2014 : 2,156.7 average players
Post LOR:
November 2013: 2,029.1
Pre LOR:
November 2012: 1,573.9
You can always find a set of data that suits someone's agenda. I think the only thing the numbers can't show is a massive decline in player numbers that would, for example, fit the observations of "empty queues". Because losing 32 % players after gaining 40 % players doe not actually imply a reduction in queuing up players. So there must be another or additional causes.
I count to these still I did the race to get the next years ship 1st day too
i know i did after arc repeatedly skyrocketed to 100% cpu use and made the game unplayable, which happened not even a month after i started playing.
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Why ? Because steamcharts shows what the players do. Not what they intend to do. They don't even know they are being used as sample.
For an election statistics, I can say I'm going to vote for X, and vote for Y instead. For numerous reasons, because I'll change my mind, because I don't want to admit I'm going to vote for someone controversial...
Also, the steam users are pretty much the same kind of people than non steam users. As a whole. It's close to be a perfectly homogenate sample, while statistics are made from random people that are, or not, an homogenate sample as a whole.
Not to mention, the sample size is much larger than what we usually have for statistics, and thus, closer to the truth (the larger a sample is, the closer to the truth it is).
So yeah, I think the trends are accurate, while the numbers, obviously, aren't. It's especially obvious when we see the free giveway and events comes when the trend is falling rapidly, and when they end, the trends fall anew.
true
for example a representative research of https://www.destatis.de/DE/Startseite.html is asking 2000 ppl out og somewhat 80 MILLION
so the numbers we get from the steam statistic are fitting +/- few%
I was not affected buying through steam, and a lot of players haven't spend money recently.
Suddenly dropping steam for something they don't know overnight sound like the most logical conclusion. Could be the number of player is effectively dropping, but between you and me, that's too obvious.
They are useless unless used for a very specific function - the mindless and the uneducated will cite 'stats' as a source of information, forgetting that most stats are completely unreliable and/or erroneous.
The layman comes along and 'see's' something 'undiscovered' some kind of 'amazing link' - and they have not heard of (or have forgotten) that certain statistical tests CANNOT prove causation, but can only indicate a correlation (and correlations are a WHOLE new bag of fish).
Its simply best not to quote these kind of stats, unless there is a very specific study behind it explaining the stats, otherwise it is MEANINGLESS.
These numbers isn't really telling the full numbers. I'm sure the numbers are a lot higher than they are showing.
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I switched from steam to arc and i know of others that did to. unless you can track any shifts then the numbers are not really very indicative of anything.
In order to prove anything you would have to have steam as the only way to get the game and since its not its only representative of steam users who didn't switch who were playing then. We dont know that number so the stat means that the players stopped playing sto on steam. That is all it means.
You dont know if they went to play another game
you dont know if they switched to arc
you only know that they stopped using steam to play STO
The only thing this thread proves is your inclination to gather information myopically. Thanks for the head's up but this "bombshell" already dropped.
Yes a few unqualified forum users have made wild unsubstantiated allegations that Arc contains spyware. I myself tore it apart and analyzed what all it's threads were doing. I've seen nothing remotely resembling spyware. I'm a pro, I actually get paid by publicly traded corporations to track down and research this kind of stuff. I'm sure you'll be able to provide me actual proof to substantiate this claim.
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I've always launched the game from the launcher. I see no reason to use any other method.
I use the launcher plain and simple no steam no arc no overlays...