Exactly. We'd had this nice little outlet for sarcastic humor, sometimes poking fun at the state of the game and sometimes at the people calling for STO's imminent demise (four years and counting of imminent demise), and then some folks and to come in and spam their jerk attitudes all over it like videogames are SRS BIZNSS or something. And *poof* went the thread.
Thanks freaking loads, guys.
One rotten apple spoils the barrel
it only takes one or two idiots to ruin a good thing
I will give you all free legal advice as a California licensed attorney. The Constitution ONLY limits the government, NOT CRYPTIC. Cryptic is not bound by the First Amendment. Any private company can fire employees for things they say or censor their forums any way they want.
When did somebody mention the Constitution?
Either way, like others have said, the DOOM thread was mostly a joke. Mostly. So much so, that not even the moderators took it seriously.
But with Delta Rising came the sig threads, and the forumites were laughing not at each others' expense, but at Cryptic's.
Sure, they have a legal right to delete and close threads, (they write the rules themselves, after all) but doing so flies in the face of one of the core tenets of the very franchise that they supposedly love (and certainly profited from).
What I see is a company in denial that their playerbase hates many aspects of their game, and that many are leaving, for the sole reason that they made a lot of money.
They don't realize that, even though they raked in money at the start of DR, many players have already left. How many do you think they will draw back in the future? Certainly not all of them - probably not most. How attractive do you think this Star Trek MMO is to new people in the market? They don't care about the IP; not the way we do at any rate.
They saturated the market, got the most support they could from the fans of the IP, and then made their product gradually less desirable to its own core audience, all for a quick buck.
At the end of the day, if Cryptic shuts down the servers of STO forever, and their ledgers are in the black, they won't care how many people they made miserable along the way - they just don't want those people to make a lot of noise.
Well....not so unfounded anymore is it,and that's why they closed it.....to close to the truth for Cryptic's taste.
Nah, it was definite overreacting. Lots of players in this game aren't used to standard MMORPG mega-grinds, and they're not secure with having gear and stats that isn't the best.
Lots of other MMORPGs are known to thrive with mega-grinds(Korean MMOs in particular). The way I see it, STO can go one of two ways: Cryptic will give in and easy mode STO again, or they can ignore and gain players that enjoy the mega-grinds or can ignore tip-top optimal gear that they don't necessarily need. But STO dying? Not from this.
Nah, it was definite overreacting. Lots of players in this game aren't used to standard MMORPG mega-grinds, and they're not secure with having gear and stats that isn't the best.
Lots of other MMORPGs are known to thrive with mega-grinds(Korean MMOs in particular). The way I see it, STO can go one of two ways: Cryptic will give in and easy mode STO again, or they can ignore and gain players that enjoy the mega-grinds or can ignore tip-top optimal gear that they don't necessarily need. But STO dying? Not from this.
I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if I am.
I think the Korean model has a VERY limited lifespan and that it seemed like a viable model largely because of non-replicatable factors: largely what was relatively lower income in China (huge market) and the economic downturn in the US. People were time rich and needed their wallets to be extracted in a very careful, psychological manner or utilized indirectly as content for players who would spend.
I don't think the emerging market caters as well to that model and I think WoW reclaimed a lot of ground with WoD and games that are not strictly MMOs have outcompeted MMOs dramatically, by offering more flat value or buffet value to middle class gamers.
That does not mean doom for STO. It does mean, I think, that they need to change models and cannot rely on the PWE model to really thrive, which probably does owe quite a bit to the Korean model.
I don't see either option you present as especially viable, really. Simply reverting STO to pre-DR risks making the game shallow compared to what I see as richer MMOs with far more nooks and crannies to the world and gameplay, like WoW, Secret World, Elite Dangerous, Star Wars, and even DCUO. Following the Korean grinder model risks buying into a model that was successful due to real factors in the market that I think were probably temporary factors in hindsight. China is changing and the U.S. is dramatically recovering. Strong dollar. Petro-states in chaos. Big economic recovery.
I think STO needs a third (or fourth or fifth) solution outside of the two you present.
Now, yes, I think a lot of the philosophy behind DR's changes was ill-founded. I think skillpoints need adjustment in a BIG way and that Cryptic needs to give up the ghost on large parts of what their current player time acquisition and monetization strategies are.
But I think they also need to have new in-depth time and money consuming systems. They just need to be different than what we have right now, different from the Korean/Chinese model, AND different than what STO has had in the past.
I think it would be an exciting time to be working on a strategy at Cryptic but only if they are actually working on a strategy and not simply cribbing ideas from metrics and the playbooks of PWE games.
Also... This thread is doomed. The constitution does not apply to a private space.
That said, I find some of the silo mentality at Cryptic/PWE troubling and think the outlawing of doom threads is INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY ill-advised from a business standpoint, much like most of the FCT policy. And I am mainly making this post to lodge that sentiment.
It doesn't strike me as smart or sound business. It seems like a very Silicon Valley approach and I don't care for games (even ones based in Silicon Valley) operating with a Silicon Valley mindset.
I like my businesses to have a mainstreet by way of Madison Avenue approach. And that means loving complaints and unreasonable feedback and really striving to integrate that into your approach. There is a branch of business philosophy that says you should strive to please your most demanding customers (because everyone else will fall into line if you do; I'd be careful not to confuse power gamers with most demanding customers) and find ways of fulfilling this aim while actually capturing more profit. You need to be willing to treat your job like a Harry Houdini escape act though. Handcuff yourself, put on a straight jacket, have your assistant throw away the key and submerge yourself upside down, and then figure out a way out.
Frankly, as unhappy as I am with the development team's recent slate of decisions, I'm probably more disappointed with the customer service and community management direction. Five years ago, I really had the feeling that Cryptic was trying and lacked resources to do more than what they did. I actually called up to register concern and I think I probably wound up speaking to a dev who was answering phones.
Now, we have more community support, a product manager, a competently staffed marketing team, and a fairly large dev team size. And it seems to me that a lot of the focus is on what they don't want to hear, who they don't want to talk to, what they don't want said, what they can't stand hearing more about, what they don't think is productive... And I think that's backwards.
And I think this forum community, largely due to the work by posters here and the engagement from the devs who continue to post, has done absolutely nothing but continuously improve over five years and that anyone who can't see and appreciate that is coming from a very skewered perspective. If you think this community is worse than it was one year ago, two years ago, three years ago, four years ago, or five years ago, I can really do nothing but say that I completely and totally take issue with and dispute the totality of your perspective. I find that view completely irreconcilable with my own.
Lots of other MMORPGs are known to thrive with mega-grinds(Korean MMOs in particular).
They thrive entirely and only within their own cultural audience. The model of Korean MMOs has completely bombed outside of that audience, along with every Korean MMO that tried to break out into other markets. And even in Korea they pass over their own grindfest games in overwhelming favour of League of Legends.
The addition of Korean features in games is little more than the addition of a hole to a ship's hull when outside Korea.
Because this is not a private party its a public space and kicking people out because you dont like there opinion is going against freedom of speech
Ahahahaha! No.
Freedom of speech is protection from the government censoring your speech (even so, certain speech is still unlawful, such as yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater and any speech which is intended to or likely to result in imminent lawless action). It has NOTHING to do with coming into a forum owned by a company and spewing vitriol about the company. Said company can censor anything they like.
I've seen doom threads in other games. One or two of those games may have actually merited doom threads. STO does not. In all cases (even those where there might have been some warrant for such threads), hyperbole and ignorance were the order of the day. Maybe PWE should consider making STO subscription-only again. The majority of the whining is usually from the F2P entitlement crowd, people who have never invested, or invested very little, and somehow imagine themselves entitled to TRIBBLE and moan about anything they merely dislike as somehow "game breaking."
They thrive entirely and only within their own cultural audience. The model of Korean MMOs has completely bombed outside of that audience, along with every Korean MMO that tried to break out into other markets. And even in Korea they pass over their own grindfest games in overwhelming favour of League of Legends.
The addition of Korean features in games is little more than the addition of a hole to a ship's hull when outside Korea.
Uh... Blizzard has been putting mega-grinds into every MMO they've ever made.... so, no, they're not an "
Asian" or "Korean" feature....
He's probably referring to this post where the poster tried to argue our freedom of speech is being violated
It's perfectly reasonable to come to the conclusion that the poster was thinking about the First Amendment when he argued our freedom of speech is being violated.
Keep telling yourself that. Those terms of service mean nothing in a court of law, especially in European courts.
the american right of freedom of speech doesn't mean anything in a european court of law either, so what's your point?
if cryptic wants to close threads here they can, because this is their property. if you want to sue them over that, go for it. when you lose and get counter-sued and need to pay cryptic's legal bills you might learn something. i doubt it, though. some people never learn
Uh... Blizzard has been putting mega-grinds into every MMO they've ever made.... so, no, they're not an "
Asian" or "Korean" feature....
I think you see a fundamentally different character to those grinds. They are generally option-increasing. They are also rarely released faster than their average player could catch up.
They are buy and large in the business of selling access to content, which I wish more F2P games did instead of trying to extort access to mechanics.
You know what would thrill me as a STO customer? Despite having a good chunk of what I want from the C-Store, if Cryptic would slash C-Store prices in half or more, slash grinds, and focus on selling episodic content from here forward.
I have a real problem with PWE's treatment of content as free and mechanics at a price. I want them to sell content and make mechanics free or cheap and I'm really always negotiating with my own dissatisfaction as an elephant in the room when mechanics are paid-for and content is simply a promotional tool rather than the driving passion and focus of the game's development.
the american right of freedom of speech doesn't mean anything in a european court of law either, so what's your point?
if cryptic wants to close threads here they can, because this is their property. if you want to sue them over that, go for it. when you lose and get counter-sued and need to pay cryptic's legal bills you might learn something. i doubt it, though. some people never learn
Yeah I got a week off of here that I actually felt a lot better personally not having any reason to bother with this game because I said I would doff here for 5 minutes and then go play something else lol. So what they are saying is they don't want any of us playing here anymore.
I think you see a fundamentally different character to those grinds. They are generally option-increasing. They are also rarely released faster than their average player could catch up.
They are buy and large in the business of selling access to content, which I wish more F2P games did instead of trying to extort access to mechanics.
You know what would thrill me as a STO customer? Despite having a good chunk of what I want from the C-Store, if Cryptic would slash C-Store prices in half or more, slash grinds, and focus on selling episodic content from here forward.
I have a real problem with PWE's treatment of content as free and mechanics at a price. I want them to sell content and make mechanics free or cheap and I'm really always negotiating with my own dissatisfaction as an elephant in the room when mechanics are paid-for and content is simply a promotional tool rather than the driving passion and focus of the game's development.
I don't see that as a good idea. paying actual cash to be allowed to play the Nimbus storyline? doesn't sound like a good feature. Part of why I like STO is that it doesn't do stuff like that.
Whenever I think of grindfests, I think of the Zod rune in Diablo2. It was ridiculously hard to acquire one. There were two ways to get one, a random drop, which didn't happen often, or crafting one by fusing other things.... The recipe to make Zod only has a few components. Crafting sounds easy right? NuhUh. Realistically, you need THOUSANDS of material items to make one. Maybe millions if you end up with more low level stuff than high level. Why? The components to make Zod are almost as rare as Zod, thus you're more likely to craft them than actually find them, and so on.... There were 33 runes in Diablo 2, except for El(the lowest teir), each could be crafted by fusing runes of a lower teir(and a specific gem). It's a multiplicative thing. You'd need over 14 trillion El runes.
Yeah I got a week off of here that I actually felt a lot better personally not having any reason to bother with this game because I said I would doff here for 5 minutes and then go play something else lol. So what they are saying is they don't want any of us playing here anymore.
having read many of your posts it should've been permanent rather then a week. and even reading this post here you are saying you have no reason to bother with this game anymore; but you just can't leave it. make quitting sto your new year's resolution.
Yes, all dissent here is outlawed. That's why this thread was closed and deleted three days ago.
Oh, wait...
Well, we don't have mods right now. They did make a rule against threads like this but nobody's in the office keeping regular hours to enforce it right now.
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Nah, it was definite overreacting. Lots of players in this game aren't used to standard MMORPG mega-grinds, and they're not secure with having gear and stats that isn't the best.
Lots of other MMORPGs are known to thrive with mega-grinds(Korean MMOs in particular). The way I see it, STO can go one of two ways: Cryptic will give in and easy mode STO again, or they can ignore and gain players that enjoy the mega-grinds or can ignore tip-top optimal gear that they don't necessarily need. But STO dying? Not from this.
I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if I am.
There is nothing wrong with 'working' for your gear,some grind is to be expected....but accepting mega-grinds as the norm? That's a slave mentality: "Yes Sir,no Sir...mining Dilithium for you Sir....can I have some more grind and lashes Sir".
If you want to hand over your free will and cash to these people for the 'privilege' of being treated like dirt,by all means go for it......but I'm no slave,and Cryptic trying to treat me as one just pisses me off.
The PWE/Cryptic sweatshop...not where the game is made,but where the game is played!
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
My post doesn't carry any hidden meaning beyond what I've stated.
Those terms of service are just that, meaningless. They have been created to fool gullible people like you.
Also, first of all, there is no reason to take them to court. Second, this company is not worth taking to court, nor do I want to unless they blatantly start stealing from their customers. You defenders should check yourself before you say extremely dumb things.
so in other words you're just full of hot air and bluster. you're type is the worst type of all. you hate what the game is but you don't have the balls to just leave. so you keep coming back to abuse everyone on the forum thinking that raging here will somehow take all your butt-hurt from not liking the game away. but it doesn't. in the end you're just a troll addicted to trolling: a hater who can't stop hating because the hate's the only thing that gives your little pathetic life meaning.
There is nothing wrong with 'working' for your gear,some grind is to be expected....but accepting mega-grinds as the norm? That's a slave mentality: "Yes Sir,no Sir...mining Dilithium for you Sir....can I have some more grind and lashes Sir".
If you want to hand over your free will and cash to these people for the 'privilege' of being treated like dirt,by all means go for it......but I'm no slave,and Cryptic trying to treat me as one just pisses me off.
Do you even remember why this megagrind exists? It's not to enslave anyone. It's to let everyone always have a way to improve our characters. Back in season 8, there were complaints that progression ended when the current rep grind did. This expansion was directly to alleviate that wall. Giving us optional grinds doesn't equate to being treated "like dirt". Giving us the ability to progress further than we really NEED to isn't making us a "slave".
I don't understand why people, especially non-PvPers consider this content required enough to complain that it even exists. It's... it's mind-boggling. At least PvPers have the excuse of being competitive. But PvEers? It's unfathomable to me, and quite frankly, doesn't justify the toxic rabidity that existed on these forums since DR's release. Endgame still starts at 50 like it has for the past few content updates. To demand any more than what we really need for standard play, that is, basic and advanced queues and other non-elite rep grinds is nonsensical if not just plain greedy.
Bottom line, Geko wants us to just have something to do if we really want. If somehow this forum explosion does nab the community easier access to the "infinite progression", then Geko will most likely attempt to tack something else on. Why, because he wants us to have the ABILITY to progress further. There is absolutely no force applied, nor any need for this content outside of PvP. And for crying out loud, it's certainly not an excuse for hostility between players.
This last statement isn't directed specifically at you, carcharodon1975, but I would LOVE to understand the reasons why some think it's justified to feel entitled to optional content without being exposed to childish namecalling like "developer apologist" and other ignorance.
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It is not like I need to say more.
Or how about you put more content into your post and tell me about your criticisms over they way I talk.
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time to nerf url links?
One rotten apple spoils the barrel
it only takes one or two idiots to ruin a good thing
oh well it is what it is
dont hold onto the fun
its forbidden on these forums
When did somebody mention the Constitution?
Either way, like others have said, the DOOM thread was mostly a joke. Mostly. So much so, that not even the moderators took it seriously.
But with Delta Rising came the sig threads, and the forumites were laughing not at each others' expense, but at Cryptic's.
Sure, they have a legal right to delete and close threads, (they write the rules themselves, after all) but doing so flies in the face of one of the core tenets of the very franchise that they supposedly love (and certainly profited from).
What I see is a company in denial that their playerbase hates many aspects of their game, and that many are leaving, for the sole reason that they made a lot of money.
They don't realize that, even though they raked in money at the start of DR, many players have already left. How many do you think they will draw back in the future? Certainly not all of them - probably not most. How attractive do you think this Star Trek MMO is to new people in the market? They don't care about the IP; not the way we do at any rate.
They saturated the market, got the most support they could from the fans of the IP, and then made their product gradually less desirable to its own core audience, all for a quick buck.
At the end of the day, if Cryptic shuts down the servers of STO forever, and their ledgers are in the black, they won't care how many people they made miserable along the way - they just don't want those people to make a lot of noise.
Well....not so unfounded anymore is it,and that's why they closed it.....to close to the truth for Cryptic's taste.
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
Lots of other MMORPGs are known to thrive with mega-grinds(Korean MMOs in particular). The way I see it, STO can go one of two ways: Cryptic will give in and easy mode STO again, or they can ignore and gain players that enjoy the mega-grinds or can ignore tip-top optimal gear that they don't necessarily need. But STO dying? Not from this.
I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if I am.
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I think the Korean model has a VERY limited lifespan and that it seemed like a viable model largely because of non-replicatable factors: largely what was relatively lower income in China (huge market) and the economic downturn in the US. People were time rich and needed their wallets to be extracted in a very careful, psychological manner or utilized indirectly as content for players who would spend.
I don't think the emerging market caters as well to that model and I think WoW reclaimed a lot of ground with WoD and games that are not strictly MMOs have outcompeted MMOs dramatically, by offering more flat value or buffet value to middle class gamers.
That does not mean doom for STO. It does mean, I think, that they need to change models and cannot rely on the PWE model to really thrive, which probably does owe quite a bit to the Korean model.
I don't see either option you present as especially viable, really. Simply reverting STO to pre-DR risks making the game shallow compared to what I see as richer MMOs with far more nooks and crannies to the world and gameplay, like WoW, Secret World, Elite Dangerous, Star Wars, and even DCUO. Following the Korean grinder model risks buying into a model that was successful due to real factors in the market that I think were probably temporary factors in hindsight. China is changing and the U.S. is dramatically recovering. Strong dollar. Petro-states in chaos. Big economic recovery.
I think STO needs a third (or fourth or fifth) solution outside of the two you present.
Now, yes, I think a lot of the philosophy behind DR's changes was ill-founded. I think skillpoints need adjustment in a BIG way and that Cryptic needs to give up the ghost on large parts of what their current player time acquisition and monetization strategies are.
But I think they also need to have new in-depth time and money consuming systems. They just need to be different than what we have right now, different from the Korean/Chinese model, AND different than what STO has had in the past.
I think it would be an exciting time to be working on a strategy at Cryptic but only if they are actually working on a strategy and not simply cribbing ideas from metrics and the playbooks of PWE games.
That said, I find some of the silo mentality at Cryptic/PWE troubling and think the outlawing of doom threads is INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY ill-advised from a business standpoint, much like most of the FCT policy. And I am mainly making this post to lodge that sentiment.
It doesn't strike me as smart or sound business. It seems like a very Silicon Valley approach and I don't care for games (even ones based in Silicon Valley) operating with a Silicon Valley mindset.
I like my businesses to have a mainstreet by way of Madison Avenue approach. And that means loving complaints and unreasonable feedback and really striving to integrate that into your approach. There is a branch of business philosophy that says you should strive to please your most demanding customers (because everyone else will fall into line if you do; I'd be careful not to confuse power gamers with most demanding customers) and find ways of fulfilling this aim while actually capturing more profit. You need to be willing to treat your job like a Harry Houdini escape act though. Handcuff yourself, put on a straight jacket, have your assistant throw away the key and submerge yourself upside down, and then figure out a way out.
Frankly, as unhappy as I am with the development team's recent slate of decisions, I'm probably more disappointed with the customer service and community management direction. Five years ago, I really had the feeling that Cryptic was trying and lacked resources to do more than what they did. I actually called up to register concern and I think I probably wound up speaking to a dev who was answering phones.
Now, we have more community support, a product manager, a competently staffed marketing team, and a fairly large dev team size. And it seems to me that a lot of the focus is on what they don't want to hear, who they don't want to talk to, what they don't want said, what they can't stand hearing more about, what they don't think is productive... And I think that's backwards.
And I think this forum community, largely due to the work by posters here and the engagement from the devs who continue to post, has done absolutely nothing but continuously improve over five years and that anyone who can't see and appreciate that is coming from a very skewered perspective. If you think this community is worse than it was one year ago, two years ago, three years ago, four years ago, or five years ago, I can really do nothing but say that I completely and totally take issue with and dispute the totality of your perspective. I find that view completely irreconcilable with my own.
The "classification" of what is "Doom" and what is someone's legitimate complaint will be the bain that will stay with us for a while I fear .
If you don't like it, call it Dooom .
... but then again that's not much of a change now is it?
They thrive entirely and only within their own cultural audience. The model of Korean MMOs has completely bombed outside of that audience, along with every Korean MMO that tried to break out into other markets. And even in Korea they pass over their own grindfest games in overwhelming favour of League of Legends.
The addition of Korean features in games is little more than the addition of a hole to a ship's hull when outside Korea.
Ahahahaha! No.
Freedom of speech is protection from the government censoring your speech (even so, certain speech is still unlawful, such as yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater and any speech which is intended to or likely to result in imminent lawless action). It has NOTHING to do with coming into a forum owned by a company and spewing vitriol about the company. Said company can censor anything they like.
I've seen doom threads in other games. One or two of those games may have actually merited doom threads. STO does not. In all cases (even those where there might have been some warrant for such threads), hyperbole and ignorance were the order of the day. Maybe PWE should consider making STO subscription-only again. The majority of the whining is usually from the F2P entitlement crowd, people who have never invested, or invested very little, and somehow imagine themselves entitled to TRIBBLE and moan about anything they merely dislike as somehow "game breaking."
Asian" or "Korean" feature....
My character Tsin'xing
Didn't see that.
Yeah, that's dumb.
if cryptic wants to close threads here they can, because this is their property. if you want to sue them over that, go for it. when you lose and get counter-sued and need to pay cryptic's legal bills you might learn something. i doubt it, though. some people never learn
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I think you see a fundamentally different character to those grinds. They are generally option-increasing. They are also rarely released faster than their average player could catch up.
They are buy and large in the business of selling access to content, which I wish more F2P games did instead of trying to extort access to mechanics.
You know what would thrill me as a STO customer? Despite having a good chunk of what I want from the C-Store, if Cryptic would slash C-Store prices in half or more, slash grinds, and focus on selling episodic content from here forward.
I have a real problem with PWE's treatment of content as free and mechanics at a price. I want them to sell content and make mechanics free or cheap and I'm really always negotiating with my own dissatisfaction as an elephant in the room when mechanics are paid-for and content is simply a promotional tool rather than the driving passion and focus of the game's development.
Yeah I got a week off of here that I actually felt a lot better personally not having any reason to bother with this game because I said I would doff here for 5 minutes and then go play something else lol. So what they are saying is they don't want any of us playing here anymore.
Whenever I think of grindfests, I think of the Zod rune in Diablo2. It was ridiculously hard to acquire one. There were two ways to get one, a random drop, which didn't happen often, or crafting one by fusing other things.... The recipe to make Zod only has a few components. Crafting sounds easy right? NuhUh. Realistically, you need THOUSANDS of material items to make one. Maybe millions if you end up with more low level stuff than high level. Why? The components to make Zod are almost as rare as Zod, thus you're more likely to craft them than actually find them, and so on.... There were 33 runes in Diablo 2, except for El(the lowest teir), each could be crafted by fusing runes of a lower teir(and a specific gem). It's a multiplicative thing. You'd need over 14 trillion El runes.
My character Tsin'xing
Oh, wait...
You shouldn't. this game is DDDDOOOOOMMMED!
Well, we don't have mods right now. They did make a rule against threads like this but nobody's in the office keeping regular hours to enforce it right now.
*dances on table* YEAHHHH!!!!!
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There is nothing wrong with 'working' for your gear,some grind is to be expected....but accepting mega-grinds as the norm? That's a slave mentality: "Yes Sir,no Sir...mining Dilithium for you Sir....can I have some more grind and lashes Sir".
If you want to hand over your free will and cash to these people for the 'privilege' of being treated like dirt,by all means go for it......but I'm no slave,and Cryptic trying to treat me as one just pisses me off.
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
I don't understand why people, especially non-PvPers consider this content required enough to complain that it even exists. It's... it's mind-boggling. At least PvPers have the excuse of being competitive. But PvEers? It's unfathomable to me, and quite frankly, doesn't justify the toxic rabidity that existed on these forums since DR's release. Endgame still starts at 50 like it has for the past few content updates. To demand any more than what we really need for standard play, that is, basic and advanced queues and other non-elite rep grinds is nonsensical if not just plain greedy.
Bottom line, Geko wants us to just have something to do if we really want. If somehow this forum explosion does nab the community easier access to the "infinite progression", then Geko will most likely attempt to tack something else on. Why, because he wants us to have the ABILITY to progress further. There is absolutely no force applied, nor any need for this content outside of PvP. And for crying out loud, it's certainly not an excuse for hostility between players.
This last statement isn't directed specifically at you, carcharodon1975, but I would LOVE to understand the reasons why some think it's justified to feel entitled to optional content without being exposed to childish namecalling like "developer apologist" and other ignorance.
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