But if there is a masive ban of "pseudoaccounts" ¿who loses more? ¿the pep benig censored or the company that get a very bad image of their capacity at manage a discontent cumunity and that any new player/wallet could see?
Remeber something, there is many other ways of comunicate discontent, fb, ts, wasup, twiter etc, but when a new player comes and get into a fleet to look for help and support he will ask ¿do i should buy x thing? and many of the pissed people in game are on fleet, just imagine their answer... then you see why keep a bad relation with the comunity can lead to people not telling good things about the game to their new players.
So Who loses more, the one with a "pseudoaccount banned" or the comapny who can lose a sale?
I don't use other social media, so STO forums is my only way to join up with other people and communicate our problems, as players, with STO. Like riding a plane. Many people's money on the line. We see the plane heading to a mountain, and the pilots seem oblivious, we are in the right to warn them by saying "Hey! We are going to crash! Hard to port!".
wrong - product is not our, we just use it... this forum is not public and u accept rules when u write anything here...
Correct, but there is other media Cryptic/PWE cannot control. Banning people for legit complaints makes themselves look bad. And people can use the other media (especially if they are game critics) to address how bad they look to their readers.
Correct, but there is other media Cryptic/PWE cannot control. Banning people for legit complaints makes themselves look bad. And people can use the other media (especially if they are game critics) to address how bad they look to their readers.
people don't get banned for complaining. there's thousands of complaint threads. they get banned for how they choose to express those complaints. if you came into my house and called my gf a sell-out wh ore because she won't let you play your favorite xbox game on our system i'd ban your TRIBBLE out my door too; and you'd have a few bruises for the journey home.
Because this is not a private party its a public space and kicking people out because you dont like there opinion is going against freedom of speech
This isn't a public space. This is private property and you had to agree to their rules before you're allowed to post here. There was a box you had to check when you created an account and joined the forum saying you agreed to their terms. If you didn't check the box it wouldn't let you make an account. Freedom of speech doesn't apply here.
Correct, but there is other media Cryptic/PWE cannot control. Banning people for legit complaints makes themselves look bad. And people can use the other media (especially if they are game critics) to address how bad they look to their readers.
i know, but to write in other media u need more time, more followers etc. - here, just write a post...
... and this forum, his threads, have good position on google - so imo, better to leave 1 thread and moderate it/ban peps and deleting/merge all others.
problem is even if it isnt the case this is probably going to be seen by a lot of people as cryptic trying to silence decent and legitimate concerns for the sake of its image.
Thats a very bad impression to be giving especially considering the unpopular decisions cryptic has been making lately
people don't get banned for complaining. there's thousands of complaint threads. they get banned for how they choose to express those complaints. if you came into my house and called my gf a sell-out wh ore because she won't let you play your favorite xbox game on our system i'd ban your TRIBBLE out my door too; and you'd have a few bruises for the journey home.
They may not ban all of the calmest of complaints but they still ignore them, also bad for image, and gameplay too. Recently they have been taking to the FCT. But I think this thread will just either get closed/ignored, or deleted/ignored. And I am still running the risk of ban because this all may be deemed as "trolling/flaming". "Trolling/flaming" is very broad, and bannable.
problem is even if it isnt the case this is probably going to be seen by a lot of people as cryptic trying to silence decent and legitimate concerns for the sake of its image.
Thats a very bad impression to be giving especially considering the unpopular decisions cryptic has been making lately
People been saying the same bs since the forum launched. I remember when the forum actually had infraction points and people would get punished far more severely then they currently do. The devs and mods let everyone whine and moan far more now then they ever did under atari. Go look up Wishstone if you want to see what the devs used to be like pre perfect world.
problem is even if it isnt the case this is probably going to be seen by a lot of people as cryptic trying to silence decent and legitimate concerns for the sake of its image.
Thats a very bad impression to be giving especially considering the unpopular decisions cryptic has been making lately
You know, Simpsons, "the show" its well stablished franquise and they usually mock the Fox, but then Fox tv got a good rep by having the sense of humor to allow it... maybe if cryptic learn to not ban and censor any joke they could aliviate the anger in their forums, it was much more calm when the doom thrad was open that how is the forum now.
You know, Simpsons, "the show" its well stablished franquise and they usually mock the Fox, but then Fox tv got a good rep by having the sense of humor to allow it... maybe if cryptic learn to not ban and censor any joke they could aliviate the anger in their forums, it was much more calm when the doom thrad was open that how is the forum now.
But then folks like you had to overrun the satirical Doom thread with this same "Cryptic is just so mean and awful" TRIBBLE, turning what had been a relief valve into yet another flame war. Small wonder they shut that down but proper.
And yes, if you think this is bad, you should have been here back in the day. TRIBBLE, I bought a temp-ban myself once, for asking "Can I haz your stuffs?" at the wrong moment. (One of the devs was feeling salty that day, because of - well, in all honesty, because of a mass of stupid complaint threads predicting the game was going to die any minute now because of some change or other, I don't even remember which one now. Might have been the first revamp of ESD.)
Oh please. The "masses" have been unhappy and voicing there displeasure on the forums since the game launched. :rolleyes:
Not to mention that if cryptic were really deleting all complaining threads to protect their image there'd only be about 50 threads left on the entire forum.
I think both sides really need to consider how they behave and be more productive in their lives. There is good and bad everywhere, I believe Cryptic does not need players to attack of defend them to pointless ends. FWIW
Not to mention that if cryptic were really deleting all complaining threads to protect their image there'd only be about 50 threads left on the entire forum.
The Streisand effect is the phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the Internet.
They could completely shut down the forums and prevent all new posts and/or threads and people will go to many other websites out of Cryptic's control thus making the problem even worse. Their image being tarnished would be much more assured.
But then folks like you had to overrun the satirical Doom thread with this same "Cryptic is just so mean and awful" TRIBBLE, turning what had been a relief valve into yet another flame war. Small wonder they shut that down but proper.
And that very fact proves that cryptic really are that gosh darn mean
I swear I read someone claim that the closing / removal of certain threads on these forums constituted censorship and/or violation of freedom of speech.
I don't know what forum some of you been on but these have let people say pretty much anything not agreeing on the status quo of the game, and only step in when they go a tad out of hand :rolleyes:
If cryptic was really truly banning and deleting posts that disagreed with them I would have no where to have popcorn because the forums would be empty.
I swear I read someone claim that the closing / removal of certain threads on these forums constituted censorship and/or violation of freedom of speech.
Starting to get kind of worried this is now the new status quo of the game and the forums and there's no going back. It's like the joy has been sucked out.
It would have sufficed to have just deleted the worrisome posts that popped up toward the end...
Didn't have to shut the whole thing down.
That's what I really appreciated about BranFlakes, he cared enough to check on things even when he wasn't "on the clock".
He was always fair with his punishments too. Not tossing the whole lot of us in one pile and pushing the lever.
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So, if I read Smirk's post about closing the Doom Threads correctly:
It is not okay to start/post in a Doom Thread. Ever.
Makes sense. Doom Threads are a dangerous Ebil which must be stopped!
"The Line must be drawn HEAH! THIS far! NO further!"
Meanwhile, people can start/post in as many threads about non pwe/cryptic games, advertising or promoting these games, as they want to. On a pwe/cryptic owned forum. Without any consequences whatsoever.
Except for World of Warcrack. Or anything else Blizzard. 'Cuz Blizzard is EBIL!
Sounds legit. But I cannot help but think of Lilly's line here as well.
"You broke your little ships."
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
I will give you all free legal advice as a California licensed attorney. The Constitution ONLY limits the government, NOT CRYPTIC. Cryptic is not bound by the First Amendment. Any private company can fire employees for things they say or censor their forums any way they want.
I think they started closing the threads because they were taking far too much effort to police. Someone would say something, someone would respond with a smart remark and then it all went downhill from there.
Also, when it comes to a forum held by a company such as Cryptic / PWE, you have no rights there unless they are specifically allowed in the terms and conditions that you agree to when you sign up. Your freedom of speech does not follow you here.
It's a sad fact, but the owners of this forum have every right to shut down any thread or delete any post they want. Just how it is.
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I don't use other social media, so STO forums is my only way to join up with other people and communicate our problems, as players, with STO. Like riding a plane. Many people's money on the line. We see the plane heading to a mountain, and the pilots seem oblivious, we are in the right to warn them by saying "Hey! We are going to crash! Hard to port!".
wrong - product is not our, we just use it... this forum is not public and u accept rules when u write anything here...
Correct, but there is other media Cryptic/PWE cannot control. Banning people for legit complaints makes themselves look bad. And people can use the other media (especially if they are game critics) to address how bad they look to their readers.
i know, but to write in other media u need more time, more followers etc. - here, just write a post...
... and this forum, his threads, have good position on google - so imo, better to leave 1 thread and moderate it/ban peps and deleting/merge all others.
PS: this do nothing with bugs etc in game :P
Thats a very bad impression to be giving especially considering the unpopular decisions cryptic has been making lately
They may not ban all of the calmest of complaints but they still ignore them, also bad for image, and gameplay too. Recently they have been taking to the FCT. But I think this thread will just either get closed/ignored, or deleted/ignored. And I am still running the risk of ban because this all may be deemed as "trolling/flaming". "Trolling/flaming" is very broad, and bannable.
You know, Simpsons, "the show" its well stablished franquise and they usually mock the Fox, but then Fox tv got a good rep by having the sense of humor to allow it... maybe if cryptic learn to not ban and censor any joke they could aliviate the anger in their forums, it was much more calm when the doom thrad was open that how is the forum now.
Fastest way to solve the problem, all the problems people are having with the game, delete their threads. No threads, no issues, and problems solved.
We call that Derp Logic. But here it would simply be the Paklled mindset.
And yes, if you think this is bad, you should have been here back in the day. TRIBBLE, I bought a temp-ban myself once, for asking "Can I haz your stuffs?" at the wrong moment. (One of the devs was feeling salty that day, because of - well, in all honesty, because of a mass of stupid complaint threads predicting the game was going to die any minute now because of some change or other, I don't even remember which one now. Might have been the first revamp of ESD.)
No, because of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
They could completely shut down the forums and prevent all new posts and/or threads and people will go to many other websites out of Cryptic's control thus making the problem even worse. Their image being tarnished would be much more assured.
I'd wait until all of that irons out; do not know if Cosby really did it, or if it is just a trend of new erroneous accusations for fame and fortune.
And that very fact proves that cryptic really are that gosh darn mean
This seems particularly relevant:
http://xkcd.com/1357/
If cryptic was really truly banning and deleting posts that disagreed with them I would have no where to have popcorn because the forums would be empty.
Bonus points for the hoverover text
Didn't have to shut the whole thing down.
That's what I really appreciated about BranFlakes, he cared enough to check on things even when he wasn't "on the clock".
He was always fair with his punishments too. Not tossing the whole lot of us in one pile and pushing the lever.
I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
It is not okay to start/post in a Doom Thread. Ever.
Makes sense. Doom Threads are a dangerous Ebil which must be stopped!
"The Line must be drawn HEAH! THIS far! NO further!"
Meanwhile, people can start/post in as many threads about non pwe/cryptic games, advertising or promoting these games, as they want to. On a pwe/cryptic owned forum. Without any consequences whatsoever.
Except for World of Warcrack. Or anything else Blizzard. 'Cuz Blizzard is EBIL!
Sounds legit. But I cannot help but think of Lilly's line here as well.
"You broke your little ships."
Or put any content or thought into your post either apparently.
Also, when it comes to a forum held by a company such as Cryptic / PWE, you have no rights there unless they are specifically allowed in the terms and conditions that you agree to when you sign up. Your freedom of speech does not follow you here.
It's a sad fact, but the owners of this forum have every right to shut down any thread or delete any post they want. Just how it is.
It just got laughable, especially after Delta Rising.
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