You have completely missed the point of Starfleet. Well done.
To be fair, someone who doesn't know a lot about Star Trek aside from STO, which is an arcade shooter game emphasizing nothing but war and fighting, wouldn't know better.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
It needed to be said because there's a lot of ignorance as to what's available to the Feds. There's some very capable selections to be had even sticking only to Fed only ships. And it's not like the solid choices from T5 are all the sudden useless ships.
I was about to say something, however this old post from angrytarg sums up what I was about to say nicely:
I was about to say something, however this old post from angrytarg sums up what I was about to say nicely:
My pleasure *bows and grunts*
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Cryptic....It is time the Federation responds to all of its threats by developing a massive ship with firepower to match. A T6 battlecruiser that is the pride of Starfleet. Something to let its enemies know...we are a major power in the galaxy.
Starfleet has a "proper" battlecruiser. It's called the Avenger class.
What you are asking for is a battleship. If the developers would ever make the Typhoon class playable, that would be covered (assuming it wouldn't be just another cruiser variation).
Want something a bit more intimidating to the scum of the Delta Quadrant? Easy. Take the Jupiter, make it a beast stats wise, and you'll have 1500 meters worth of middle finger to show to those who don't like the UFP or the Alliance. It already looks like a giant bathtub of DOOM, so that should cover it.
Why do we need a fed battlecruiser? Just let our fed have a KDF one.
Literally, I mean. I want my fed character to be able to have a KDF ship. Even if it's limited to just one ship and you have to jump through hoops to get it. I'm Rank4 in diplomacy (I ground out my dues) and I'm a hero of the KDF and we're all now friends and realize our prior fighting was petty.
As a great reward for my saving both Earth and Qonos in the same mission, I should get a cross-faction pass to get any ship I want on my fed (and same for my KDF).
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE... pipe dream but we have to keep hope huh?
You have completely missed the point of Starfleet. Well done.
If this is leading into one of those "Starfleet isn't a military WAAAHH!" arguments, I'm preemptively calling BS. They have been a military organization since day frakking one, no matter how much Roddenberry/Picard cultists say otherwise. They are the organized legal body authorized by their government to use armed force in the defense of the citizenry against foreign aggression. That is the exact definition of a military.
The OP's idea is lousy for several reasons. It being against the purpose of Starfleet is not one of them.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Why would anyone want a ship with big guns but paper thin armor? That's what a battle cruiser is, you know.
That's not quite what defines a battlecruiser. Battlecruiser traditionally in naval terms are much more heavily armed, short of battleships, and have heavier armor than contemporary cruisers.
It's supposed to be fast enough, armored enough, and possessing more than enough firepower to face down other cruisers and lighter vessels like destroyers, frigates, etc. However, it doesn't have the overall firepower and most importantly, protection compared to a battleship, so it is supposed to be able to outrun those.
They're supposed to catch most ships, overpower them, and have the protection to do that job. They're supposed to be able to outrun whatever they can't outfight.
They're battleships on a very tight budget and are supposed to outfight anything else short of a battleship but not a battleship itself :cool:
You have completely missed the point of Starfleet. Well done.
Based on your post, you would agree that the Defiant missed the point of Starfleet? You would be right, it did! As the Star Trek universe expanded with TNG and DS9, Starfleet encountered enemies that made them rethink their whole strategy like The Borg.
However, large crusiers still have there place. You can call it a dreadnought, battleship, battlecruiser or just call it a cruiser for all I care. I don't care what name Cryptic slaps on it!
I am not asking for a war machine, but I do think it should be large and pack a punch.
Not asking for a USS Vengence here. Think Galaxy class from the actual show. It was large and could pack a punch. When the Enterprise D showed up, people got nervous. We are several decades beyond that time.
The guardian is too small and I am not interested in the Eclipse(went too far from canon). I do realize there will be progession in starship design. Who really thinks the Intel ships look like something Starfleet would produce? I don't.
Give the Galaxy or the Ody the same T6 love that the intrepid got and we might have something to talk about. The intrepid got a redesign that looks like an actual progression of the class. I haven't played the T6 Intrepid so I can't comment on the performance.
Ody is the class of the flagship. It deserves a T6 upgrade. Otherwise, replace it with a new class.
Also if you want a crazy powerful cruiser look no further than the Eclipse, it's essentially the next evolution of the Avenger and when it goes T6 Fleet level next year at some point it will be one crazy ship.
Well let me know when we get the next evolution of the Regent.
Isn't the Odyssey sort of the evolution of the Regent/Sovereign class? It's just far more massive and classed as a dreadnought.
Though I wouldn't mind a free T6 upgrade for all existing owners of the T5 or T5U Flagships, and the old bundle replaced with a 1000 Zen more T6 bundle. All they'd have to do is make the Lt. Cmdr Universal seat Universal/Intel, or Universal/Uni. Spec. (Univeral Specialization). If they did the latter, guaranteed compatibility with existing future Specializations rather than having to come up with new ones every new Specialization.
Although I also wouldn't mind an Intel Odyssey bundle either. The "stealthy" Intel look with the size and presence of the default Odyssey. And the bonus option to switch between the Intel look and the regular non-Intel look. Sure, it'll TRIBBLE off owners of the older T5 Odyssey bundles (I regret purchasing it so close to DR, then having it all but replaced by the Guardian and Eclipse), but at least it's another set of full Intel-oriented Flagships with the option for a non-Intel look. And would also be a dreadnought-class starship.
Also, while I don't mean to be contrary, the Intel designs look like a reasonable progression in starship design. At least, on a side-track. Narrow front and side profiles for reduced target surface area (but like real aircraft, still a big, fat target from above and below). And it's not like Star Trek didn't have some odd "stealth" armor/equipment tech either (mostly one-offs for a random unknown or non-recurring enemy). But I digress, this is off-topic.
I still strongly support a T6 Jupiter dreadnought 3 pack. Tac Cannon Broadside, Eng Siege Cannon, and Sci Supercarrier (3 hangars with Defiant "Frigate" pets) variants. They have the sheer size to be a perfect instrument of battle, exceeding even the Scimitar (which is mostly wing).
Sounds like you're describing lorewise what the Odyssey is supposed to be. With the exception of the Typhoon, the Oddy is supposed to be the biggest, baddest, that Starfleet can produce, which can take on all comers. Whether that is realized via in game mechanics could be up for debate, but there is a thread not to far removed that's putting up 50k+ with one, so . . .
Sounds like you're describing lorewise what the Odyssey is supposed to be. With the exception of the Typhoon, the Oddy is supposed to be the biggest, baddest, that Starfleet can produce, which can take on all comers. Whether that is realized via in game mechanics could be up for debate, but there is a thread not to far removed that's putting up 50k+ with one, so . . .
So what if someone can ding 50k with an Odyssey? What that shows is that you can do DPS if you build right, play right. And there's superior damage platforms out there that have more than enough survivability.
Both of these ships are EXCELLENT battlecruisers. They both hit hard. They both tank well. The Imperial is sexy, and the Avenger is... acceptable. And if you truly want a fed cruiser that's very cruiser in appearance, but hits like a freight train, then I suggest you get a tac oddy, up it to t5U, and laugh as you (I quote from a friend of mine) "Lay down the law" onto everything whilst soaking up their pathetic attempts at counter attacks.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
So what if someone can ding 50k with an Odyssey? What that shows is that you can do DPS if you build right, play right. And there's superior damage platforms out there that have more than enough survivability.
I guess I'm confused then, so let me pose my point another way . . . What is it you (and/or the OP) want, that the current crop of Fed. ships don't offer, either according to mechanics or lore?
I guess I'm confused then, so let me pose my point another way . . . What is it you (and/or the OP) want, that the current crop of Fed. ships don't offer, either according to mechanics or lore?
A T6 cruiser that isn't the Eclipse and bigger than the Guardian. A cruiser that is massive and powerful. I would like at least the size of the Ody, but bigger would be better. I wouldn't mind if they made the Ody the cruiser it was meant to be. It is the class of the flagship after all.
Another option is to make a true dreadnought/battleship/battlecruiser class that is larger and more powerful than the Ody. It would be more of a specialized cruiser with a tactical/offensive focus. It would be the Federation's answer to increasing hostilities and its ever expanding area of operations.
A T6 cruiser that isn't the Eclipse and bigger than the Guardian. A cruiser that is massive and powerful. I would like at least the size of the Ody, but bigger would be better. I wouldn't mind if they made the Ody the cruiser it was meant to be. It is the class of the flagship after all.
Another option is to make a true dreadnought/battleship/battlecruiser class that is larger and more powerful than the Ody. It would be more of a specialized cruiser with a tactical/offensive focus. It would be the Federation's answer to increasing hostilities and its ever expanding area of operations.
I know what you are wanting, and they aren't going to give it to you.
Even, presuming for the moment, they did make a ship you are describing there, it wouldn't be what you are picturing.
You want it big? Then it's gonna be slow. It will NOT have escort, or destroyer, or even high cruiser level base turn rate.
You want it tac-heavy? Then it's going to lack healing capabilities as much.
You want it to use DHCs? Good luck again with the slow turn it will have.
A big ship also means a big crew, which means LOW hull regen.
It's not going to be a god-ship. Even with how unbalanced they are willing to make things anymore, they will not give a ship the ability to do 'everything'. Effectively what you are asking for is a Fed-Scimitar, even if you say otherwise, you've effectively described it minus the Singularity Core and cloaking tech.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Personally I think the Typhoon is ugly as hell.. I want my federation battlecruiser / carrier / flight-deck-cruiser to look like the Typhon (signature). Of course it can't look the same because copyright reasons etc but that's what I'm thinking of when I think federation dreadnought.
Cryptic....It is time the Federation responds to all of its threats by developing a massive ship with firepower to match. A T6 battlecruiser that is the pride of Starfleet. Something to let its enemies know...we are a major power in the galaxy.
isn't the avenger and lately the eclipse fit that role?
ok they don't look badass but still.
anyway, if you insist ok, here it is: galaxy dreadnought T6 badassguypowa!!
I guess I'm confused then, so let me pose my point another way . . . What is it you (and/or the OP) want, that the current crop of Fed. ships don't offer, either according to mechanics or lore?
Don't confuse me with one of the dumbasses demanding a "legitimate federation battlecruiser" or as with another related thread, demanding a "T6 Federation Dreadnought."
The simple truth is this:
These ships already EXIST at T5/T5U/T6 for the Feds without even diving into Lockbox/Lobi ships.
In addition, traditionally in STO, Battlecruiser meant:
- Good turn rate
- Lasting power of a Cruiser
- DC/DHC capable
That's it. The standard was set by the KDF because originally the KDF were the only ones with ships of these characteristics (the Lv40 Negh'Var & Vor'Cha Retrofits). The Feds then got the Avenger and then the Eclipse.
The Feds are still stocked with capable TAC Cruisers (at least LtCdr TAC stations), Battlecruisers. The Eclipse & Guardian encompass so many good values that they both fulfill duties of a TAC Cruiser and "Dreadnought" (tough ships with great firepower).
The Eclipse trumps them all by being durable, having heavy firepower, being very flexible, has built in cloak, AND is simply hands down the best moving, best turning Cruiser in the entire Fed lineup across all tiers. Statistically, it is the Alpha and it is the Omega of Fed Cruisers. Yes, I said that.
And we don't even have the Fleet version yet.
But apparently the Guardian & Eclipse not having "Dreadnought" or "Battlecruiser" on their titles makes them seem weaker to a number of dolts here. And the Avenger, Sovereign, Excelsior perform better as "Dreadnoughts," being tough ships with potent firepower, than some other ships do that actually have the "Dreadnought" name on their title.
And apparently a graphically large looking ship makes it powerful in STO. Ha!
Not only is it nearly the size of an Odyssey, but it can mount Dual Cannons, has a good turn rate, and comes with all kinds of bells and whistles normal Fed cruisers don't(cloak, intel powers, active sensors, etc.).
Heck, the Eclipse flown by my very poorly specced Sci can fire repeated burst salvos of 100k+ damage(4xDBBs averaging 20-30k crits each). How much more stupid do you want in a battlecruiser?
The Eclipse trumps them all by being durable, having heavy firepower, being very flexible, has built in cloak, AND is simply hands down the best moving, best turning Cruiser in the entire Fed lineup across all tiers. Statistically, it is the Alpha and it is the Omega of Fed Cruisers. Yes, I said that.
yeah I think people look at the 3 tac consoles and say the eclipse sucks but miss everything else about it. It's an amazing ship.
(on a side note, it's the same thing about the Qib. It's my favorite KDF battlecruiser for PvE and PvP currently because it's freaking powerful and durable but people look at it's stats and never look again.)
People get hung up a lot on the number of tac consoles a ship has all the time.
Look at the new Pathfinder; it only has 2 tac consoles but their are builds out there that are spitting out 20K+ DPS with it.
And the Eclipse is no different, just because it only has 3 doesn't mean it's not powerful.
It's what goes with the tac consoles that is just as important.
hat means piloting, boff powers, other console types, skill levels. Plus you've got a built in cloak, intel boff slots and the intel special powers together with the 2 most useful cruiser commands.
That is a lot of goodies on one ship and it's easy to overlook all that if you just count tac consoles.
People get hung up a lot on the number of tac consoles a ship has all the time.
Look at the new Pathfinder; it only has 2 tac consoles but their are builds out there that are spitting out 20K+ DPS with it.
And the Eclipse is no different, just because it only has 3 doesn't mean it's not powerful.
It's what goes with the tac consoles that is just as important.
hat means piloting, boff powers, other console types, skill levels. Plus you've got a built in cloak, intel boff slots and the intel special powers together with the 2 most useful cruiser commands.
That is a lot of goodies on one ship and it's easy to overlook all that if you just count tac consoles.
But... But... But... IT NEEDS TO BE A HUGE SHIP!!!
Because large ship models = Great Powah!
Even better, put the name "Dreadnought" or "Battlecruiser" onto it!
Or what about... renaming it to be a "Eclipse/Guardian Dreadnought Battlecruiser-Z" (because Z is cooler than X)! Make it have SIX Nacelles!
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To be fair, someone who doesn't know a lot about Star Trek aside from STO, which is an arcade shooter game emphasizing nothing but war and fighting, wouldn't know better.
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I was about to say something, however this old post from angrytarg sums up what I was about to say nicely:
My pleasure *bows and grunts*
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Starfleet has a "proper" battlecruiser. It's called the Avenger class.
What you are asking for is a battleship. If the developers would ever make the Typhoon class playable, that would be covered (assuming it wouldn't be just another cruiser variation).
Want something a bit more intimidating to the scum of the Delta Quadrant? Easy. Take the Jupiter, make it a beast stats wise, and you'll have 1500 meters worth of middle finger to show to those who don't like the UFP or the Alliance. It already looks like a giant bathtub of DOOM, so that should cover it.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE... pipe dream but we have to keep hope huh?
Make it so!
"Let them eat static!"
If this is leading into one of those "Starfleet isn't a military WAAAHH!" arguments, I'm preemptively calling BS. They have been a military organization since day frakking one, no matter how much Roddenberry/Picard cultists say otherwise. They are the organized legal body authorized by their government to use armed force in the defense of the citizenry against foreign aggression. That is the exact definition of a military.
The OP's idea is lousy for several reasons. It being against the purpose of Starfleet is not one of them.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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That's not quite what defines a battlecruiser. Battlecruiser traditionally in naval terms are much more heavily armed, short of battleships, and have heavier armor than contemporary cruisers.
It's supposed to be fast enough, armored enough, and possessing more than enough firepower to face down other cruisers and lighter vessels like destroyers, frigates, etc. However, it doesn't have the overall firepower and most importantly, protection compared to a battleship, so it is supposed to be able to outrun those.
They're supposed to catch most ships, overpower them, and have the protection to do that job. They're supposed to be able to outrun whatever they can't outfight.
They're battleships on a very tight budget and are supposed to outfight anything else short of a battleship but not a battleship itself :cool:
Based on your post, you would agree that the Defiant missed the point of Starfleet? You would be right, it did! As the Star Trek universe expanded with TNG and DS9, Starfleet encountered enemies that made them rethink their whole strategy like The Borg.
However, large crusiers still have there place. You can call it a dreadnought, battleship, battlecruiser or just call it a cruiser for all I care. I don't care what name Cryptic slaps on it!
I am not asking for a war machine, but I do think it should be large and pack a punch.
Not asking for a USS Vengence here. Think Galaxy class from the actual show. It was large and could pack a punch. When the Enterprise D showed up, people got nervous. We are several decades beyond that time.
The guardian is too small and I am not interested in the Eclipse(went too far from canon). I do realize there will be progession in starship design. Who really thinks the Intel ships look like something Starfleet would produce? I don't.
Give the Galaxy or the Ody the same T6 love that the intrepid got and we might have something to talk about. The intrepid got a redesign that looks like an actual progression of the class. I haven't played the T6 Intrepid so I can't comment on the performance.
Ody is the class of the flagship. It deserves a T6 upgrade. Otherwise, replace it with a new class.
Everyone is reading way too much into this post.
Well let me know when we get the next evolution of the Regent.
Though I wouldn't mind a free T6 upgrade for all existing owners of the T5 or T5U Flagships, and the old bundle replaced with a 1000 Zen more T6 bundle. All they'd have to do is make the Lt. Cmdr Universal seat Universal/Intel, or Universal/Uni. Spec. (Univeral Specialization). If they did the latter, guaranteed compatibility with existing future Specializations rather than having to come up with new ones every new Specialization.
Although I also wouldn't mind an Intel Odyssey bundle either. The "stealthy" Intel look with the size and presence of the default Odyssey. And the bonus option to switch between the Intel look and the regular non-Intel look. Sure, it'll TRIBBLE off owners of the older T5 Odyssey bundles (I regret purchasing it so close to DR, then having it all but replaced by the Guardian and Eclipse), but at least it's another set of full Intel-oriented Flagships with the option for a non-Intel look. And would also be a dreadnought-class starship.
Also, while I don't mean to be contrary, the Intel designs look like a reasonable progression in starship design. At least, on a side-track. Narrow front and side profiles for reduced target surface area (but like real aircraft, still a big, fat target from above and below). And it's not like Star Trek didn't have some odd "stealth" armor/equipment tech either (mostly one-offs for a random unknown or non-recurring enemy). But I digress, this is off-topic.
I still strongly support a T6 Jupiter dreadnought 3 pack. Tac Cannon Broadside, Eng Siege Cannon, and Sci Supercarrier (3 hangars with Defiant "Frigate" pets) variants. They have the sheer size to be a perfect instrument of battle, exceeding even the Scimitar (which is mostly wing).
So what if someone can ding 50k with an Odyssey? What that shows is that you can do DPS if you build right, play right. And there's superior damage platforms out there that have more than enough survivability.
Avenger
Imperial
Both of these ships are EXCELLENT battlecruisers. They both hit hard. They both tank well. The Imperial is sexy, and the Avenger is... acceptable. And if you truly want a fed cruiser that's very cruiser in appearance, but hits like a freight train, then I suggest you get a tac oddy, up it to t5U, and laugh as you (I quote from a friend of mine) "Lay down the law" onto everything whilst soaking up their pathetic attempts at counter attacks.
... all three major factions throw their stuff together for a new class of t6-ship?
hightech from the fed, firepower from the kdf and hulldesign from the rommies. maybe somewhat like a cross between dderidex and galaxy or so... dunno.
"Where we are is the front."
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Typhoooooooon
Yeah but its just on par with the Fleet Regent really.
A T6 cruiser that isn't the Eclipse and bigger than the Guardian. A cruiser that is massive and powerful. I would like at least the size of the Ody, but bigger would be better. I wouldn't mind if they made the Ody the cruiser it was meant to be. It is the class of the flagship after all.
Another option is to make a true dreadnought/battleship/battlecruiser class that is larger and more powerful than the Ody. It would be more of a specialized cruiser with a tactical/offensive focus. It would be the Federation's answer to increasing hostilities and its ever expanding area of operations.
I know what you are wanting, and they aren't going to give it to you.
Even, presuming for the moment, they did make a ship you are describing there, it wouldn't be what you are picturing.
You want it big? Then it's gonna be slow. It will NOT have escort, or destroyer, or even high cruiser level base turn rate.
You want it tac-heavy? Then it's going to lack healing capabilities as much.
You want it to use DHCs? Good luck again with the slow turn it will have.
A big ship also means a big crew, which means LOW hull regen.
It's not going to be a god-ship. Even with how unbalanced they are willing to make things anymore, they will not give a ship the ability to do 'everything'. Effectively what you are asking for is a Fed-Scimitar, even if you say otherwise, you've effectively described it minus the Singularity Core and cloaking tech.
isn't the avenger and lately the eclipse fit that role?
ok they don't look badass but still.
anyway, if you insist ok, here it is: galaxy dreadnought T6 badassguypowa!!
that is what we all need:)
make it so cryptic!!
with a 8 turn rate too, don't forget.
... and 40 inertia!
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528931&page=271
Don't confuse me with one of the dumbasses demanding a "legitimate federation battlecruiser" or as with another related thread, demanding a "T6 Federation Dreadnought."
The simple truth is this:
These ships already EXIST at T5/T5U/T6 for the Feds without even diving into Lockbox/Lobi ships.
In addition, traditionally in STO, Battlecruiser meant:
- Good turn rate
- Lasting power of a Cruiser
- DC/DHC capable
That's it. The standard was set by the KDF because originally the KDF were the only ones with ships of these characteristics (the Lv40 Negh'Var & Vor'Cha Retrofits). The Feds then got the Avenger and then the Eclipse.
The Feds are still stocked with capable TAC Cruisers (at least LtCdr TAC stations), Battlecruisers. The Eclipse & Guardian encompass so many good values that they both fulfill duties of a TAC Cruiser and "Dreadnought" (tough ships with great firepower).
The Eclipse trumps them all by being durable, having heavy firepower, being very flexible, has built in cloak, AND is simply hands down the best moving, best turning Cruiser in the entire Fed lineup across all tiers. Statistically, it is the Alpha and it is the Omega of Fed Cruisers. Yes, I said that.
And we don't even have the Fleet version yet.
But apparently the Guardian & Eclipse not having "Dreadnought" or "Battlecruiser" on their titles makes them seem weaker to a number of dolts here. And the Avenger, Sovereign, Excelsior perform better as "Dreadnoughts," being tough ships with potent firepower, than some other ships do that actually have the "Dreadnought" name on their title.
And apparently a graphically large looking ship makes it powerful in STO. Ha!
Not only is it nearly the size of an Odyssey, but it can mount Dual Cannons, has a good turn rate, and comes with all kinds of bells and whistles normal Fed cruisers don't(cloak, intel powers, active sensors, etc.).
Heck, the Eclipse flown by my very poorly specced Sci can fire repeated burst salvos of 100k+ damage(4xDBBs averaging 20-30k crits each). How much more stupid do you want in a battlecruiser?
yeah I think people look at the 3 tac consoles and say the eclipse sucks but miss everything else about it. It's an amazing ship.
(on a side note, it's the same thing about the Qib. It's my favorite KDF battlecruiser for PvE and PvP currently because it's freaking powerful and durable but people look at it's stats and never look again.)
Look at the new Pathfinder; it only has 2 tac consoles but their are builds out there that are spitting out 20K+ DPS with it.
And the Eclipse is no different, just because it only has 3 doesn't mean it's not powerful.
It's what goes with the tac consoles that is just as important.
hat means piloting, boff powers, other console types, skill levels. Plus you've got a built in cloak, intel boff slots and the intel special powers together with the 2 most useful cruiser commands.
That is a lot of goodies on one ship and it's easy to overlook all that if you just count tac consoles.
But... But... But... IT NEEDS TO BE A HUGE SHIP!!!
Because large ship models = Great Powah!
Even better, put the name "Dreadnought" or "Battlecruiser" onto it!
Or what about... renaming it to be a "Eclipse/Guardian Dreadnought Battlecruiser-Z" (because Z is cooler than X)! Make it have SIX Nacelles!