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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    As people have pointed out, the fix that I mentioned on Monday has gone live today.

    While the patch notes mention that it fixed an issue with teams, overall the issue should be fixed for everyone. If you were seeing issues solo, then these issues should be gone; it's mainly that people on teams (or who were at a point with multiple people) were being hit the most with this.

    The only issue that we could not get into this week's patch was that some of the interacts on the generator points are not granting credit towards overall reward score. This will hopefully make it in to our patch next week.

    If you guys are still seeing issues where you're not being rewarded properly, please let me know either in a PM or by posting here on the forums and I'll investigate what's going on.

    Great news!!! thanks!!!
  • js26568js26568 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    As people have pointed out, the fix that I mentioned on Monday has gone live today.

    While the patch notes mention that it fixed an issue with teams, overall the issue should be fixed for everyone. If you were seeing issues solo, then these issues should be gone; it's mainly that people on teams (or who were at a point with multiple people) were being hit the most with this.

    The only issue that we could not get into this week's patch was that some of the interacts on the generator points are not granting credit towards overall reward score. This will hopefully make it in to our patch next week.

    If you guys are still seeing issues where you're not being rewarded properly, please let me know either in a PM or by posting here on the forums and I'll investigate what's going on.

    Thanks, keep us updated.

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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    As people have pointed out, the fix that I mentioned on Monday has gone live today.

    While the patch notes mention that it fixed an issue with teams, overall the issue should be fixed for everyone. If you were seeing issues solo, then these issues should be gone; it's mainly that people on teams (or who were at a point with multiple people) were being hit the most with this.

    The only issue that we could not get into this week's patch was that some of the interacts on the generator points are not granting credit towards overall reward score. This will hopefully make it in to our patch next week.

    If you guys are still seeing issues where you're not being rewarded properly, please let me know either in a PM or by posting here on the forums and I'll investigate what's going on.

    Sweet...and nicely explained especially on what parts got in and what's to come. :)

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  • swatopswatop Member Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It is interesting to see a dev to take notice of problems and respond to it... thats something new here and of course very welcome.

    Thank you.

    While you are here.... what are the chances to get the full reward on that battlezone?
    In my eyes the introduced changes minimize these chances dramatically. Killing all 3 dinos clearly wont happen often anymore since you cant coordinate 20 random players and therefore the overall reward will be reduced for all players, no matter how hard they work for it.

    Also what will you do for the hard working cappers which spend half an hour to capture all the zones but then can not reach the dino before its killed by the AFKers (because these cappers have to cross the entire map)?

    These are clearly 2 serious problems with the new mechanics at the battlezone where the hard working players for some reason get less rewards than 2 weeks ago.
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    swatop wrote: »
    It is interesting to see a dev to take notice of problems and respond to it... thats something new here and of course very welcome.

    Thank you.

    While you are here.... what are the chances to get the full reward on that battlezone?
    In my eyes the introduced changes minimize these chances dramatically. Killing all 3 dinos clearly wont happen often anymore since you cant coordinate 20 random players and therefore the overall reward will be reduced for all players, no matter how hard they work for it.

    Also what will you do for the hard working cappers which spend half an hour to capture all the zones but then can not reach the dino before its killed by the AFKers (because these cappers have to cross the entire map)?

    These are clearly 2 serious problems with the new mechanics at the battlezone where the hard working players for some reason get less rewards than 2 weeks ago.


    Can I call it or what? :D

    You deserve what you got, whiner, for whining about the campers who actually did the dino killing for you and got you your end rewards. The only thing you work hard at is whining, and now you are reaping what you have sown. No pity for you. None whatsoever.


    Oh, wait. Does any of this constitute a death thread? Who can tell with these worthless moderators about?
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    For those of you who are congratulating the hired script kiddy. Nothing has gone live yet...



    There must be a death threat in there somewhere. We worthless moderators need an excuse to shut him up.
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  • swatopswatop Member Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    raeat wrote: »
    Can I call it or what? :D

    You deserve what you got, whiner, for whining about the campers who actually did the dino killing for you and got you your end rewards. The only thing you work hard at is whining, and now you are reaping what you have sown. No pity for you. None whatsoever.


    Oh, wait. Does any of this constitute a death thread? Who can tell with these worthless moderators about?

    WTF?
    Whats your problem?
    I just wanted to point out a few problems of the new mechanics on the battlezone you come up with such a bullsh**?
    I did not whine about the campers... I actually dont even care about them. And they clearly didnt do any dino killing for me.
    The only thing I care about is being able to get the full rewards again.
  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Hi everyone,

    As people have pointed out, the fix that I mentioned on Monday has gone live today.

    While the patch notes mention that it fixed an issue with teams, overall the issue should be fixed for everyone. If you were seeing issues solo, then these issues should be gone; it's mainly that people on teams (or who were at a point with multiple people) were being hit the most with this.

    The only issue that we could not get into this week's patch was that some of the interacts on the generator points are not granting credit towards overall reward score. This will hopefully make it in to our patch next week.

    If you guys are still seeing issues where you're not being rewarded properly, please let me know either in a PM or by posting here on the forums and I'll investigate what's going on.

    Not that I dont trust this posting...would anyone who is doing Dyson battleground test this in game with former DILITHIUM rewards and see what the difference is? Not want to be ungrateful but not naive either :D
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  • plaztikman64plaztikman64 Member Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    just joined at about 30% global into a zone, spent about half an hour in the park, took or supported most of the spots there and stayed with the T-Rex until he went down. The other two went down before i could beam over and this is what i've got:

    [6:50] [System] [ItemReceived] Items acquired: Voth Cybernetic Implant x 5

    [6:50] [System] [NumericReceived] You received 1,080 Dilithium Ore

    [6:50] [System] [NumericReceived] You received 35 Dyson Sphere Marks



    The time/effort graph was looking much better some time ago though...
  • raeatraeat Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    The devs and bean counters think that we are incapable of noticing net losses. They thought they were being clever and that it would slip past us.

    "Well, uh, three dino kills are still worth dil with no significant loss. It is therefore not a nerf. Don't worry about the fact that actually getting credit for three dinos is now effectively impossible on a consistent basis. That doesn't qualify as a nerf according to our super secret, but only legitimate definition of what a nerf is. Players do not get to decide what is or is not a nerf."


    Was there a death threat is there, Askray, you moron?
  • kristaswiftkristaswift Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    just joined at about 30% global into a zone, spent about half an hour in the park, took or supported most of the spots there and stayed with the T-Rex until he went down. The other two went down before i could beam over and this is what i've got:

    [6:50] [System] [ItemReceived] Items acquired: Voth Cybernetic Implant x 5

    [6:50] [System] [NumericReceived] You received 1,080 Dilithium Ore

    [6:50] [System] [NumericReceived] You received 35 Dyson Sphere Marks



    The time/effort graph was looking much better some time ago though...

    Im assuming tagging the other 2 Dino's is NOT allowed anymore?
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Im assuming tagging the other 2 Dino's is NOT allowed anymore?

    It takes a lot more damage to get credit for a tag then it did before the update. No more one shot tagging. While I do make less dilithium then I did before, I still get a whole bunch and can max out my daily limit in no time. I pretty much count on getting credit for 2 rex's. Though I have gotten credit for 3 twice since they changed things.
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  • battykoda0battykoda0 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    My observation was I made slightly more dilithium and marks over the entire run. I started my zone with nothing captured and 10 people in the zone. I hit a spot, stayed in the spot and captured it - just like I have always done in fact, I never did tag and run. All 3 dinos went down, of which I shot at exactly one. Without converting any marks, I had enough dilithium for the day's refining. Of note, there were quite a few doff missions that completed while I was in the zone so there was a chunk of dilithium gained there. Point is, I never tagged in the past and I saw no change to what I am getting. It seemed to me to be just as it has always been, slightly higher in fact, running solo and actually doing the capture. Sorry your game of tag is busted but the tagging mission is on New Romulus. The capture missions are on Dyson ground.
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  • ummaxummax Member Posts: 529 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    battykoda0 wrote: »
    My observation was I made slightly more dilithium and marks over the entire run. I started my zone with nothing captured and 10 people in the zone. I hit a spot, stayed in the spot and captured it - just like I have always done in fact, I never did tag and run. All 3 dinos went down, of which I shot at exactly one. Without converting any marks, I had enough dilithium for the day's refining. Of note, there were quite a few doff missions that completed while I was in the zone so there was a chunk of dilithium gained there. Point is, I never tagged in the past and I saw no change to what I am getting. It seemed to me to be just as it has always been, slightly higher in fact, running solo and actually doing the capture. Sorry your game of tag is busted but the tagging mission is on New Romulus. The capture missions are on Dyson ground.

    yup I have a slight increase as well. The ones that are upset are the tag crowd. They cant run over the entire map and shoot a mob once in each area and collect boatloads of dilithium. I wont miss this issue lol it drove me batty as their presence would result in my untimely death and the shouts in zone chat from others experiencing similar things. Its a better experience now for those who play the zone to actually play the zone. Its only "nerfed" for the dilithium farmers of which I am not one. I do a run there and then I go up to the undine space zone and then I go to tag some ephophs often and end with a run or two through the kobali zones and maybe a bug hunt stf or something for fleet marks.

    I get plenty of dilithium
  • plaztikman64plaztikman64 Member Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Im assuming tagging the other 2 Dino's is NOT allowed anymore?

    Well, it is not a matter of allowance but timing. If you're happen to be at the right spot at the right time, then you'll be (most likely) able to make the most profit, and vise versa.

    I always try to do as many areas as possible while always having the global progress in sight. For instance, if i see park and city about to finish, outskirts will be most likely the part where most of the people be when the rexes spawn, ergo, this rex is likely to go down first, which enables me to get to the next one and maybe even have a chance for the last one as well.

    But, when i am not paying attention and i am far away from the next boss, chances are that i am going to get less rewards than other people, even though i've done the same if not more in the same time, simple because it took me longer to get there, and continue to the next ect...

    The thing is, at least to what i have experienced, that it is still fun to be there, and if you're doing it right, you can still make a lot of dil + marks... but it is still bugged and not tuned correctly in regards to "time & effort"
  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Wait, the zone that gives different levels of rewards at the capture points is the Undine Space Battle Zone, not the Voth Ground Battle Zone. The Voth Ground zone gives a flat reward, you either get it, or you don't. There's nothing to score.

    Or are they talking about the Voth Space Battle Zone, which nobody does any more? All three of those could be considered 'Dyson Sphere Battle Zone'.

    1) This is a very opaque patch note.
    2) I'm going to lol if after all the usual talk about "Rex tagging" it turns out that this note didn't apply to the ground zone at all.

    The space battle zone is the best battle zone of the lot, it's usually very busy, but like other posters have said, it's not clear which battle zone could be getting a nerf.
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    • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      Since the changes has anyone seen after managing to tag the 3rd dino 5400 dil rewarded this includes the 720 for the last dino. Most I've seen is 3850 dil.
    • swatopswatop Member Posts: 566 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      after more than 30 tries I was not able to kill all 3 dinos just single time....30 times... and not a single time

      getting the full reward is impossible now
      the new mechanics for the dyson battlezone are nothing but a giant nerf

      sometimes you cant even kill the 2nd dino because it takes too long to get to the other zones or simply because you decided to go to the wrong zone (where the dino is just about to die)
    • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      Just ran 1 = 7470 dil

      2 Rex and only 3 points captured.

      It's virtually impossible to get all 3 Rex unless maybe engineer?

      It's also very difficult to capture 5 points. I've yet to do it. The maps go insanely fast - probably because of staying at points and less instances each more crowded.


      That all said - this is about what I used to get - so I'm fine with it.
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    • swatopswatop Member Posts: 566 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      how did you get so much?

      im capturing at least 5 zones and killing 2 dinos and only get 3200 as reward at the end
      that plus the 750 from the first dino is not even going nearly to your +7000 dil



      my last run was even worse
      i captured 6 zones... went to the first dino but was alone there and got killed instantly... tried to reach another dino but that one was only at 10% health and all i got was 5 dil... at the same time the one in the park died... and when i to return to the first one at the outskits and also did a good amount of damage there I didnt get a reward

      capturing 6 zones and all i got at the end were lousy 10 dil

      dyson ground used to be a nice zone but now its just sick
    • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      I'm talking about the whole thing - the 4 daily missions as well.
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    • uryenserellonturyenserellont Member Posts: 858 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      I'm talking about the whole thing - the 4 daily missions as well.

      Yeah that's close to the pre-50% buff if you capped 5 zones and tagged 3 dinos.

      I'm not sure the final reward from 3 zones + 2 dinos is any different from just 2 dinos. The 3 zones are 270 dil but I don't think the final reward will matter, which is exactly my problem with this whole mess: You can get better rewards from instance hopping.
    • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      Yeah that's close to the pre-50% buff if you capped 5 zones and tagged 3 dinos.

      I'm not sure the final reward from 3 zones + 2 dinos is any different from just 2 dinos. The 3 zones are 270 dil but I don't think the final reward will matter, which is exactly my problem with this whole mess: You can get better rewards from instance hopping.

      That was my thought as well as I was finishing. I've never hopped before. 1 run is fun and more than that becomes work, but now it's tempting. I would say that the whole scoring mechanism needs to be rethought but it will only be made worse if that happens so I say just leave it be.
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    • nintholonintholo Member Posts: 10 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      Made several runs, only once time i was able to tag 3 dinos and in all runs i got always 2520 dil + 720 dil for the last dino = 3240 and 5 cyber implant as usual.
      For me it seems that isn't relevant the number of capture points... is possible?
    • swatopswatop Member Posts: 566 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      and again... just one dino and nearly no reward for alot of hard work

      dyson ground turned into a stupid mess
      no, really... if you are in the wrong zone when the dinos appear you pretty much have wasted all your time because you can not do enough damage to the vrex alone... and running to the other zones takes you too much time

      the new mechanics of this ground battlezone turned everything into a messed up gambling where the players are always on the loosing side

      and while it might be true when the devs said that the end rewards have not changed it is very clear to see that no player is able to get these end rewards anymore because the game mechanics prevent this

      just like many other parts of the game this one turned to be just frustrating
    • kblarghkblargh Member Posts: 170 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      I've run it a few times now, and i can tell what's been nerfed - I get far less from Dino than i used to.

      I've yet flat out failed to see what's supposed to be less penalizing, though.
    • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      3240 and 5 cyber implant

      i have won 3200 and 5 cyber implant for 2 dinos
    • sanokskyratsanokskyrat Member Posts: 479 Media Corps
      edited December 2014
      I am so pissed off right now. I did a solo run and and spent an hour by myself captureing points. After some time other people did join in. But i did do a whole city by myself.

      And what did i get for my trouble?

      2520 at the end and i got 2 dinos.

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      What the point of even playing anymore everything has been so nerf. YOUR KILLING THE GAME! STOP WITH THE NERF BATS! Bring back some better rewards.
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    • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
      edited December 2014
      I've made about 100k dilithium in the last 5 hours. I still don't have any big problems with the changes.
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