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The QWW "Tides of Ice" Grind Sucks: A Ridiculously Simple Solution
sekritagent
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All Cryptic had to do was make the "store unlocks" happen by giving players a choice of what to do.
"Do 10 Winter Events": Run 10 winter events in any combination of Tides of Ice, Winter Invasion, Snowball Fight, OR The Fast and the Flurrious.
How simple was that? Players "earn" the freebies (:rolleyes:) and it's not an eye-watering grindfest. I'd even be cool with doing that per character. At least you can have it over with in a couple hours and move on to an alt.
But Cryptic, being Cryptic, ruined their own event with this ridiculous grind requirement looking to "push" us to one event or another.
Listen, we all get metrics, but when your game design revolves solely around metrics for the sake of reporting and not gaming for the sake of fun, you might as well code a simulator and save yourself the trouble of "dealing" with players.
"Do 10 Winter Events": Run 10 winter events in any combination of Tides of Ice, Winter Invasion, Snowball Fight, OR The Fast and the Flurrious.
How simple was that? Players "earn" the freebies (:rolleyes:) and it's not an eye-watering grindfest. I'd even be cool with doing that per character. At least you can have it over with in a couple hours and move on to an alt.
But Cryptic, being Cryptic, ruined their own event with this ridiculous grind requirement looking to "push" us to one event or another.
Listen, we all get metrics, but when your game design revolves solely around metrics for the sake of reporting and not gaming for the sake of fun, you might as well code a simulator and save yourself the trouble of "dealing" with players.
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LOOOOOL OMG hit the nail on the head!
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It's just a failure and I don't think it was a lower level member of staff that came up with it.
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"I've got 18 toons, so 18x10 = 180 times to get my warp cores"
WHO EVER SAID YOU NEEDED THAT WARP CORE ON EVERY TOON?
We are already getting all the ships discounted on ever toon after the first. We already grind the rep system for the space gear "Per Character". What's so different here?
Are you actually playing all these toons all the time? 10, 18, 50 toons? A doubt it., and besides how many are using the Breen space set anyway?
We are being told what to play.
We are being told how to play it,
We are being told how long to play it.
We are even being told WHAT TIME we have to play it.
And there is no logical reasoning behind it.
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aside from the time you aren't being TOLD anything, you're given a choice, you want the shiny, do this 10 times
its a crappy choice, but there it is, if you don't think its worth it DON"T DO IT
Congratulations on missing the point so thoroughly. You win...well, nothing.
I clearly stated that it's fine to have us "work" for it but the requirement is way more restrictive and alt-unfriendly than it needs to be is the point. The idea to the devs is that they should ask themselves, "If I had 10 toons, would I find this ridiculously tedious or a little grindy but still kinda fun?" and then do whatever leads them to the latter answer. The almighty metrics they see and sometimes misleadingly post indicate that most people are running multi-character accounts.
It's clear that question was never considered for Delta Rising but there's a whole series of threads (and epic signatures) on that. Moving on...
As for the specific sense of entitlement you have wrongly inferred from my post, wanting to run some low-intensity grind for having the 4-piece Breen set on more than 1 toon is not unreasonable. Who knows, you might even have the odd side-effect of having players actually enjoy the game and winter events because you haven't had to repeatedly grind the same single piece of content 180 times as you put it.
For the record I don't have 18 toons. Have a nice day anyway.
This is the kind of psuedo-intellectual "but technically" that doesn't really advance the conversation and is arguing for the sake of arguing. If you have a counterargument or assertion of your own to make that doesn't consist of "well don't do it then", please do so. But don't do this. Thanks.
I did i edited the "Quote" with orange so it can be seen what i say.
I posted that in response to your orange text edit actually. You didn't say anything except "well you don't have to do it" which is not at all the point of the thread.
We are specifically talking about the event mentioned in the original post. Your entire reply is irrelevant. I suppose reading before commenting has been nerfed.
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They have been practicing for years, and will always assume that they have won.
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Yes there is.
Metrics for the annual report.
I agree with kriskringle3, bobtheskull99, and jam3s1701 - we are being forced to do nothing. We are being offered a reward, for optionally taking part in a given set of tasks. If not completing the Winter Event locked me out from other things (ex. if they were to block me from any queue but the Winter Invasion until I complete it), then yes it would be a situation where we're being told what to do. This is not the case.
In reality, I can go ahead and play anything else in STO, and completely ignore the Winter Event if I wanted to.
But if you want the reward, you have to do something for it.
Tides of Ice is the best winter event ever and the players love it. It's 17x better then the old winter events. BUT...don't play it too much or you're an exploiter and we will nerf rewards.
what reward?
stupid game doesn't give a reward half the time
did it 6 or 7 times and it only shows 3 in the accolades
do they expect me to do this every full hour for the next month?
that's why its so fun to watch 2 idiots argue with each other :P
Just play it whenever. If you're planning to spend 2hrs in-game one night, do it twice. Next time you're on for 3hrs, do it three times. And so on. Nothing demands that you a) must finish all 10 runs in succession, or b) that you stay logged in the entire time waiting for the next event to run.
Even if you do stay logged in, there's more than enough going on in Q's Wonderland to fill the entire hour. Plus, there's everything else that's always there in STO to play through.
This isn't a "grab" of some type, this isn't a mandatory grind, and this isn't solely to pad metrics. It's a yearly event that's supposed to be fun, with some nice rewards for playing. People can either participate and enjoy it, or not. No biggie.
so you participated in the winter event and enjoyed yourself....good for you
you see guys, you CAN play the game your way and have fun
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Watch them counter this by making the event timer random next year.
you mean the way the dyson and undine BGs are now?
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Still have to do it 10 times to make all items available, but only once per account.
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If Cryptic needed to make us grind something 10x to unlock the new Cores then why not just make the requirement any 10 winter wonderland events?
Heck, I'd even go one further and say any 10 events not including the race itself.
It seems like Cryptic at this point is not even trying to find the common ground between hitting their numbers while trying to keep the players happy while doing it.
Who's ever making these types of decisions at Cryptic needs to really sit back and reevaluate their thought process.
If the numbers are all that matter, then sooner or later numbers will be all you have.