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What the hell! I've been putting off doing a review because there are so many nerfts! I wanted to be fair, know that the all MMO's some twicking is always needed.
I felt good about P1 interview with Jesse Heinig.
I felt the XP was bad but i had no idea tell i started to run with a new toon. I ran Dominion, Breen, Borg arcs and only level... wait for it. 1.5 level.
Now doing the maths to max out a toons. Argala Normal are only used as they have been promoted as the reason we have these patrols for level and gaining XP.
6490 xp is was is given in one run normal
so to 150k xp would require =24 runs
150K times 60 = 9000000
60 spec points it will require 1386 runs
That's right 1386 solo Argala runs required to max out specs.
To put that on another term.
Casually doing 1 Argala run each day you will finish leveling in 3.7 years
15 times would be 93 days
85 runs each day for 2 weeks on one toon
Now I have a number of toons but even this is crazy. Now before anyone asks yes i run a lot of Doffs missions and been using them to level all my other toons but whats the point anymore.
THIS WHOLE GAME IS PUNISHED. All this will be included in my review.
I felt good about P1 interview with Jesse Heinig.
I felt the XP was bad but i had no idea tell i started to run with a new toon. I ran Dominion, Breen, Borg arcs and only level... wait for it. 1.5 level.
Now doing the maths to max out a toons. Argala Normal are only used as they have been promoted as the reason we have these patrols for level and gaining XP.
6490 xp is was is given in one run normal
so to 150k xp would require =24 runs
150K times 60 = 9000000
60 spec points it will require 1386 runs
That's right 1386 solo Argala runs required to max out specs.
To put that on another term.
Casually doing 1 Argala run each day you will finish leveling in 3.7 years
15 times would be 93 days
85 runs each day for 2 weeks on one toon
Now I have a number of toons but even this is crazy. Now before anyone asks yes i run a lot of Doffs missions and been using them to level all my other toons but whats the point anymore.
THIS WHOLE GAME IS PUNISHED. All this will be included in my review.
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*all patrols are now daily and have a 20 hr cooldown
Please don't put those kinds of ideas in their head.
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Doffing isnt that of a profit as well anymore. The latest patch took care of that.
I really dont understand why the do not hand out skill points in amounts of Argala everywhere in STO.. endgame queues for example.
Its not as if I dont want to play this game I just feel less and less progressing and the means to do it most efficient turn out too painfull.
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This is happening, there is a lot of lobbying going on and one by one, the respected review sites are responding.
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But truth be told this shouldn't surprise anyone. This game used to be unique in that anyone could play how they liked and at a pace that suited them and it didn't put you at a too big a disadvantage on the whole. Now though that simply doesn't exist.
I do not intend to spend another dime on this game until I have confirmation that this is an accident and is faulty mathematics. I want to level about 10 characters to max level because I like making builds and variety. But now I'm just not going to do that.
How many out there are like me? Probably a few thousands. Cryptic, perhaps the only way you're going to reconsider your philosophy (if its not an honest mistake), is when your income shows a statistical reduction coinciding with this TRIBBLE. Perhaps others would join me in this boycotting.
Use the link from your sig to Dictionary.com to look up "too little too late" . :cool:
A new toon you say ... -- and I thought I was the only suicidal maniac to try that one ...
But seriously , I did power level a toon when the shotgun was announced as an award for the Mirror incursion , and at the time that toon had a (almost) nice leveling curve .
The XP was less then before , so in the early story arcs I could not skip too many missions (that I did not like) , but it was not too horrible .
In the end I got that toon to 50 , and with the Mirror event , I got 2/3 of my alts to Level 53 .
Now the thing is ... -- I think I'm gonna leave most of them there until the next event (if said event proves to be a provider of XP) , and if not , then no grind from me .
And I guess this is my point .
I won't be doing Argala hundreds of times -- or in the numbers of toons that I have -- thousands of times .
That's just stupid and beyond not fun .
Or , to put it in another way -- Cryptic will have to pay me to do that .
Now before last weekends XP nerf , the rough numbers that I came up with pointed that you had to be at Level 56 to get a non-grindy LoR like experience from DR .
Right now , I'm guessing you have to be anywhere between Levels 57-59 to be spared the likes of Argala .
Just as long as you publish said review on the interwebs , and not just here .
Be that the STO Reddit , STO's FB page or your owns site .
Because while I would like to read it here -- bad press that is confined to these forums does little to get any actual attention .
The more public reviews of Cryptic's latest line of escapades , the better .
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Ive a lvl60 which obviously has to gain 158k xp for a lvl-up.
So each day since the last patch I did doffing (twice a day) and getting 6x the daily bonus marks by playing 1 elite PVE, 3 adv. PVEs and 2 normal ones.
After meanwhile 5 days i got a little more than 50% of the xp for ONE lvl-up.
Balance? Fun? Motivation to play the game?
IF you find one of these things in the game... call me.
The game reviews are not looking too good either, the fans are starting to speak out. I find it sad that i asked for a refund of the measly amount of Zen that i spent on the load-outs. not really caring about it, i was simply thinking it would be a good way to let them know the problem was still there and i wasn't happy about it, and the reply i received was they are working on the issue (after a year, really..... still working on it....... Really?) and that if i had a further complaint to go post it on the forums.
I also expect this and any other complaint forums to be closed down as soon as they find them. but having been a loyal player and having spent a substantial amount of money on this game i felt others should know.
Its not worth spending a dime on anymore!
Im doing pretty much the same thing since I dont want to end up mad in Argala.
And yea I get a similar picture. The rate of progression in this game seems absurd atm if there is even one at all.
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If I saw someone saying the same thing now I'm just going to assume that they're making it up because there really is no way to do that. None.
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First 50 levels are ok. Levels 50-60 and then 50 spec points are a problem. While you can get toon in more or less acceptable timeframe to lvl 60 by doing some pretty hardcore grind that you wouldn't want to reapeat ever again, then there will be 50 spec points that are virtually an unreachable goal. And we are talking about years of relaxed grind or months of doing just delta patrols back to back all day long.
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The >50 level progression is badly balanced at the moment but I've found (above 60) that it doesn't matter. Why? Because it only represents additional content. Nothing I did previously in STO has been tied to perpetual level grinding. My old playstyle, and the gameplay and character creation I play STO for, have not been affected (including playing the latest missions and PVE's at higher difficulty.)
What's there in the higher levels of specialization is simply a new thing to grind for and as with so many of the old grinding foci how much effort I put into it is strictly up to me. I could approach it head on and expect a level every day or two, or I can decide to walk around the wall (through a more natural playstyle that avoids explicit xp grinding), take a bit longer, but get around the problem without the bother of using my face to break down said wall.
You're not going to have a good time if you look at XP as a reason to play this game (see. badly balanced.) However in having played this game prior to DR it should take much of an argument to say "well, so ****ing what? Thing x or y is still around. Why bother with z when z (post 60) is just some procedural fluff that's best approached as an occasional bonus."
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why not? that would probably be last nail in an coffin. let them do it!
I dare you Cryptic.
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People are dropping Perfect World like a hot potato.
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I think the OP has 12 maxed out characters...I mean wow, that's a lot of STO. At that point STO turns into a been there done that experience. I like to urge people that have seen it all, make something that hasn't been seen before.
Its 30. I did start some talaxians (and romulans) but they dont count. Master of 12 was a reference to lockbox ships i had on themed and maxed out. I dont have photoshop anymore so havent updated the pic.
As for foundry i am interested but why make something that one one is playing?
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The problem is not with early levels. It is with 60+
Yes, thanks, since I have also 4 level 60 characters I'm aware of the issue.
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Whether or not you agree with his views or anyone else that you cited, I do think he has a right to express those views (as long as there is no flaming or name-calling) and at least personally I think it is worth looking at even if you don't agree with all of the conclusions. As someone working on a review series myself, I think it would be very hypocritical of me not to stand up for someone else's right, however different their approach may be in some areas from mine.
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you are not supposed to have 100% filled spec tree.
these things were obviously meant to be long term goals, not a 2 week grind. Play the game. Every so often you level up and get a spec point. Have fun and stuff.