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Fleet Admiral with no fleet.

talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
May I say this is BEYOND ASININE.

I mean seriously, it was bad enough being a Vice Admiral with no squadron, or fleet to command. But hit 4 pip(star in our day) admiral, then 5 star FLEET admiral(or admiral of the fleet in our day) and STILL don't have a fleet to command, may I say it's silly if not right stupid.

Can we please promote boffs to Captain, can we PLEASE pick a flag ship, can we please send ships out to do DOFF style missions, and when we call for help when our flagship is beat to hell. can we call in our ships from our small fleet.

Best system to point you at, is basically Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.

Come on, gonna give me 5 pips, least let me act like one!
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  • azntrigboiazntrigboi Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I solve such problems w/ my Photonic Fleet. Sure, it's an imaginary fleet much like having imaginary friends but it works. :P
  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    And stay down! Stupid horse, keeps getting up and doesn't know better.

    But seriously, this has been brought up I can't count how many times. What's stupid is letting players go past Captain. Should have stopped there. What's stupid is that Tuvok, who orders me around, is lower rank then I am. What's stupid is we go from a cadet in 2409 to Captain and Admiral ranks in 2409. Need I go on?
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    May I say this is BEYOND ASININE.

    I mean seriously, it was bad enough being a Vice Admiral with no squadron, or fleet to command. But hit 4 pip(star in our day) admiral, then 5 star FLEET admiral(or admiral of the fleet in our day) and STILL don't have a fleet to command, may I say it's silly if not right stupid.

    Can we please promote boffs to Captain, can we PLEASE pick a flag ship, can we please send ships out to do DOFF style missions, and when we call for help when our flagship is beat to hell. can we call in our ships from our small fleet.

    Best system to point you at, is basically Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.

    Come on, gonna give me 5 pips, least let me act like one!

    yeah ranks are just to high for things we do in game for example why would anyone beyond rank of captain comand his own ship and take maters in his hands and kill and solve problems ?

    if u ask me we should have never moved from rank of captain
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    tilarium1979 wrote: »
    And stay down! Stupid horse, keeps getting up and doesn't know better.

    But seriously, this has been brought up I can't count how many times. What's stupid is letting players go past Captain. Should have stopped there. What's stupid is that Tuvok, who orders me around, is lower rank then I am. What's stupid is we go from a cadet in 2409 to Captain and Admiral ranks in 2409. Need I go on?

    I brought this up more times than I can count also. I mean we got Kirk from any verse beat.

    I mean by this point we should have the power of the glow and be able to beat the Shogun of Harlem on any ground of his choosing.

    Who's the MASTER! Sho'nuff.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Ranks should have stopped at Captain.
    Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
  • chainfallchainfall Member Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Can we please make Captain the top rank? This Admiral bull is a major scar on STO's face.
    ~Megamind@Sobekeus
  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    You have already commanded a fleet comprised of Federation (or Klingong, Romulan), Kazon, Borg, Hierarchy, Hazari, Banthean, Kobali… no other Officer has ever commanded such a diverse fleet in the history of the Federation/Empire… what more do you want?

    If you want a *TRUE* Fleet Admiral experience then hand your ship to a captain of your choice, plink yourself behind a desk and start on the new reputation system ‘paperwork’…
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  • generalmocogeneralmoco Member Posts: 1,634
    edited November 2014
    I'm a Fleet Admiral, and I have a fleet to command, it's called "The 1st Fleet"!!! Wacha Talking About Willis???
  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    svindal777 wrote: »
    Ranks should have stopped at Captain.

    Either that or give the "Fleet" to the admiral :D

    Looking for sense in Cryptic's logic...you will find NONE
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    prierin wrote: »
    You have already commanded a fleet comprised of Federation (or Klingong, Romulan), Kazon, Borg, Hierarchy, Hazari, Banthean, Kobali… no other Officer has ever commanded such a diverse fleet in the history of the Federation/Empire… what more do you want?

    If you want a *TRUE* Fleet Admiral experience then hand your ship to a captain of your choice, plink yourself behind a desk and start on the new reputation system ‘paperwork’…

    Sure, ofcourse I don't put fleet admiral pips on my toon in the first place. Captain Pips for me.

    But in all seriousness, sometimes I want to yell My name is Marrek Steele, CAPTAIN!!!!!!

    (yes ripping off neo roanoke from Gundam Seed Destiny aka Mu La Flaga)
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  • chainfallchainfall Member Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I am rather happy that the KDF doesn't have Super Duper General rank... at least Dahar Master can be somewhat appropriate considering.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    If you think this is bad, you should wait to see what will happen when we will become president/praetor/chancellor with the next level cap ! And still tagging eppohs !
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  • azntrigboiazntrigboi Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well, I think that since an admiral does quite a bit of boring paperwork behind a desk, I think the new grind for Fleet Admirals in STO is fitting. Welcome to the wonders of being a flag officer. :D
  • opo98opo98 Member Posts: 435 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    crusader2007 wrote: »
    Either that or give the "Fleet" to the admiral :D

    Looking for sense in Cryptic's logic...you will find NONE

    You have a fleet...

    It's called Fleet Support 3. You get it from being an Admiral.
  • prierinprierin Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    After a devastating attack upon the Alpha Quadrant by a species of unknown origin, the combined fleets of the Federation, Klingon and Romulan allied Republic were left in ruin, the very core of the military and exploratory factions destroyed. All semblance of order and structure, along with the living and recorded history of hundreds of billions, wiped out in the blink of an eye. Earth, Qo’nos, New Romulus, gone.

    This unknown alien threat then systematically crept through the Beta, Gamma and Delta quadrants, erasing the very existence of known civilizations. Cardassia Prime was first, followed by Bajor and Deep Space Nine. They were not destroyed by any means conceivable. There was no warning. They simply ceased to exist. Despite the hundreds of known worlds with sentient life throughout the galaxy, it is still a finite number in an infinite universe. Life is rare and precious, and it is being extinguished at an alarming rate.

    What remains of Starfleet, the Klingon Empire and Romulan Republic, those few that somehow managed to escape the chaos, picked themselves up from the ashes and became one unified force, a ragtag group without rank, without factions, without prejudice. They set out, spreading across the galaxy in search for their unknown aggressor with but a single purpose: to put an end to the slaughter or die trying

    Star Trek: Armageddon.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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  • opo98opo98 Member Posts: 435 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    prierin wrote: »
    After a devastating attack upon the Alpha Quadrant by a species of unknown origin, the combined fleets of the Federation, Klingon and Romulan allied Republic were left in ruin, the very core of the military and exploratory factions destroyed. All semblance of order and structure, along with the living and recorded history of hundreds of billions, wiped out in the blink of an eye. Earth, Qo’nos, New Romulus, gone.

    This unknown alien threat then systematically crept through the Beta, Gamma and Delta quadrants, erasing the very existence of known civilizations. Cardassia Prime was first, followed by Bajor and Deep Space Nine. They were not destroyed by any means conceivable. There was no warning. They simply ceased to exist. Despite the hundreds of known worlds with sentient life throughout the galaxy, it is still a finite number in an infinite universe. Life is rare and precious, and it is being extinguished at an alarming rate.

    What remains of Starfleet, the Klingon Empire and Romulan Republic, those few that somehow managed to escape the chaos, picked themselves up from the ashes and became one unified force, a ragtag group without rank, without factions, without prejudice. They set out, spreading across the galaxy in search for their unknown aggressor with but a single purpose: to put an end to the slaughter or die trying

    Star Trek: Armageddon.

    If a force was that technologically superior, it would be more like "Star Trek: As I Lay Dying". Props to those who get the reference. :D
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    TRIBBLE being an Admiral...actually you know what? TRIBBLE being a Captain too. I'm gonna wear generic colored Odyssey uniform on my toon, put on some Ensign or Lt pips. Then i'm gonna go stand in front of a bridge console and just like the rest of the NPCs i'm gonna wonder where our Captain is.

    I QUIT!!! (not the game just being a captain you cant haz my stuffs)
  • dinkydr2dinkydr2 Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    This may be a rehash, but here goes anyway. On any ship there is only 1 Captain. He may be surrounded by XO's and Commanders, either way, there is only 1 Captain. Maybe what you're asking for, is to have all your Boffs positions be 1 rank below Captain. I'd go for that, Anyone would, that way you could have all four Boff powers active. But it would only add to the "power creep" which is apparently being confused with the term "experience". The whole gameplay would have to be adjusted, so that the critters are more powerful, which is already a difficult and disputed issue. Let the flames rise as the Empire dies. Go Nero, Go!
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  • lordkhoraklordkhorak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Ranks shouldn't have 'stopped' with Captain. They should have started and stopped at Captain. Using ranks in such a fashion for the progression system was just stupid and has never made the slightest sense, worse in fact, since now we have the ridiculous excuses needed to justify tossing Lieutenants in full command of starships.

    It would have been perfectly expected, sensible, and acceptable to just use regular MMO numerical levelling. Oh no wait, WE DO HAVE THAT, just take the rank nonsense off of it! Could have just called it Reputation or something, to signify how well known you are and why you're being transferred into superior vessels and having the best resources funnelled to you.
    stonewbie wrote: »
    TRIBBLE being an Admiral...actually you know what? TRIBBLE being a Captain too. I'm gonna wear generic colored Odyssey uniform on my toon, put on some Ensign or Lt pips. Then i'm gonna go stand in front of a bridge console and just like the rest of the NPCs i'm gonna wonder where our Captain is.

    I QUIT!!! (not the game just being a captain you cant haz my stuffs)

    You're a measly Lieutenant. I'm ordering you to give me your stuff.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    lordkhorak wrote: »


    You're a measly Lieutenant. I'm ordering you to give me your stuff.


    Sorry there....must be....malfunc....comm...sys.....tem...say...agai....n....plea...se....**garbles**
  • ashrod63ashrod63 Member Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Commanding a fleet as a Fleet Admiral was planned but has fallen back in the schedule.

    Instead of taking the sensible approach (just make 60 "Admiral" and then leave the fleet command system and "Fleet Admiral" rank for level 70 when "Boffs in space" is ready) they rushed it and have messed everything up.

    I'm hoping in future when the cap keeps getting boosted the various admiral ranks are scattered out a bit (then the lower ranks as well, might make the rank jump seem a bit more reasonable in universe).
  • caylenrcaylenr Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    May I say this is BEYOND ASININE.

    I mean seriously, it was bad enough being a Vice Admiral with no squadron, or fleet to command. But hit 4 pip(star in our day) admiral, then 5 star FLEET admiral(or admiral of the fleet in our day) and STILL don't have a fleet to command, may I say it's silly if not right stupid.

    Can we please promote boffs to Captain, can we PLEASE pick a flag ship, can we please send ships out to do DOFF style missions, and when we call for help when our flagship is beat to hell. can we call in our ships from our small fleet.

    Best system to point you at, is basically Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.

    Come on, gonna give me 5 pips, least let me act like one!

    LOL. Don't ask for much, do you?
  • alaerickalaerick Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Seriously, I roll my eyes every time I think about "what I am doing" at "what rank". Sure Fleet Admirals running and gunning and being told what to do by lower ranks.. uhuh.. /facepalm :eek:
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    dinkydr2 wrote: »
    This may be a rehash, but here goes anyway. On any ship there is only 1 Captain. He may be surrounded by XO's and Commanders, either way, there is only 1 Captain. Maybe what you're asking for, is to have all your Boffs positions be 1 rank below Captain. I'd go for that, Anyone would, that way you could have all four Boff powers active. But it would only add to the "power creep" which is apparently being confused with the term "experience". The whole gameplay would have to be adjusted, so that the critters are more powerful, which is already a difficult and disputed issue. Let the flames rise as the Empire dies. Go Nero, Go!

    This is not true. I was stationed on an aircraft carrier and there were several officers onboard with captains rank...however there is only one commanding officer.
    Even in Star Trek Spock was a captain during the movies after Kirk got demoted...I think Scotty may have been a captain too.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    khan5000 wrote: »
    This is not true. I was stationed on an aircraft carrier and there were several officers onboard with captains rank...however there is only one commanding officer.
    Even in Star Trek Spock was a captain during the movies after Kirk got demoted...I think Scotty may have been a captain too.

    Yeah, but the commanding officer still isn't going to be an admiral, is the relevant point.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Yeah, but the commanding officer still isn't going to be an admiral, is the relevant point.

    Going by canon this is not true...Admiral Kirk took command of Enterprise and supposedly had a few missions after the events of TMP and after WOK.

    Even in TOS Commodore Decker commanded Constellation and that's comparable to admiral rank
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Going by canon this is not true...Admiral Kirk took command of Enterprise and supposedly had a few missions after the events of TMP and after WOK.

    Even in TOS Commodore Decker commanded Constellation and that's comparable to admiral rank
    And, of course, Admiral Riker had the Galaxy X Enterprise as his ship.
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I've said from the beginning that being an admiral in charge of a single ship made no sense (we all know that Kirk was a special situation). I keep hoping that the idea of promoting our BOffs to Captain, and putting them in charge of ships will come about. It would be a great addition to the game to have a strategic combat component.
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