I've said from the beginning that being an admiral in charge of a single ship made no sense (we all know that Kirk was a special situation). I keep hoping that the idea of promoting our BOffs to Captain, and putting them in charge of ships will come about. It would be a great addition to the game to have a strategic combat component.
Have you seen the AI they give to pets? It's terrible. You're not going to get a strategic combat component, you're going to get a bonehead follower who provides limited actual help and eats core breaches all the time.
Going by canon this is not true...Admiral Kirk took command of Enterprise and supposedly had a few missions after the events of TMP and after WOK.
Even in TOS Commodore Decker commanded Constellation and that's comparable to admiral rank
TMP was an emergency, and in TWOK Spock was CO of the Enterprise, i.e. Kirk's flag captain, and insisted that Kirk take over as de facto commander. In ST3 he was, in order, returning the Enterprise to Spacedock and acting illegally, and in ST4 he was coming home to face trial for said illegal actions. And besides which, Kirk's a fraggin' cowboy.
As for Commodore Decker, historically "commodore" is more of an honorary rank given to a senior captain authorizing him to command a flotilla. It's sort of halfway between a captain and a rear admiral. It's also a rank that no longer exists on either side of the fourth wall.
Admirals command fleets and run organizations. They don't command single vessels, they delegate that to a flag captain so they can concentrate their attention on directing the fleet.
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Have you seen the AI they give to pets? It's terrible. You're not going to get a strategic combat component, you're going to get a bonehead follower who provides limited actual help and eats core breaches all the time.
TMP was an emergency, and in TWOK Spock was CO of the Enterprise, i.e. Kirk's flag captain, and insisted that Kirk take over as de facto commander. In ST3 he was, in order, returning the Enterprise to Spacedock and acting illegally, and in ST4 he was coming home to face trial for said illegal actions. And besides which, Kirk's a fraggin' cowboy.
As for Commodore Decker, historically "commodore" is more of an honorary rank given to a senior captain authorizing him to command a flotilla. It's sort of halfway between a captain and a rear admiral. It's also a rank that no longer exists on either side of the fourth wall.
Admirals command fleets and run organizations. They don't command single vessels, they delegate that to a flag captain so they can concentrate their attention on directing the fleet.
Actually coming home in command of the Enterprise, there was nobody of sufficient rank to take command as Flag Captain, or probably at that point to send out. I mean Scotty could have, but the man was so busy trying to patch up the wounds, it would be a bad idea to take him out of engineering.
So in essence, Kirk was not acting Illegally, he was still technically in command since Star fleet had not removed him since he assumed command.
Don't blame him in that situation, blame starfleet.
And far as having flag captains, the best sci fi series I've ever seen that handles how a flag officer handles a squadron or bigger, is the Honor Harrington Series. David Webber is spot on with how a flag staff works and how it shakes down on a ship with a flag officer aboard.
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I'm still backing the call to allow us to choose our rank title in the same way we choose our current titles.
And have NPC's refer to us by that rank automatically .
Which solves the issue for those wanting to be Captains
As for Admirals, well the function of an Admiral is a varied one, more so considering Starfleet is Fictional with vague rules based on snipits of info from the Media we've seen
Frequently we see Admirals running operations other than Ship or Fleet command positions, Overseeing inquires, Working as part of the Department of Internal affairs, Sector command posts, and of course the various departmental administrative roles
How many of these admin positions are there? Potentially Hundreds, given the number of Starbases, outposts, Shipyards and other instiliations.
All of which are performed with limited direct command of Starships so being an Admiral doesn't automatically grant you as many ships asd you like at your beck and call
( That said I'd like to be able to bring my spare ships along as sort of Space BOFFS or pets as i'e got many vessel in storage I'd like o use but don't because I can only use one at a time.
At the very least I would like to be able to promote one of my BOFFs to Flag Captain , since I already give them the Command variant of the uniform while I wear the Black admiral version, all thats missing is the appropriate rank pips )
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Actually coming home in command of the Enterprise, there was nobody of sufficient rank to take command as Flag Captain, or probably at that point to send out. I mean Scotty could have, but the man was so busy trying to patch up the wounds, it would be a bad idea to take him out of engineering.
So in essence, Kirk was not acting Illegally, he was still technically in command since Star fleet had not removed him since he assumed command.
Don't blame him in that situation, blame starfleet.
I was referring to when he and the others stole the Enterprise to go back to the Genesis planet, not when he brought it back to Spacedock at the start of the film.
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Not only it's silly to be Fleet Admiral and ranks being silly, but, in the story, we are frequently commandeered around by lower ranks. Ie. Tuvok. It's what makes even the "singleplayer" STO story a wee bit on the odd side - we get handed rank, but nobody treats us as such. As soneone pointed out, the only rank should be Captain. Then, the story becomes more plausible... even though, as a nitpicky critic, I'd still find so many oddities... but definitelly less, than it is now.
I personally just "pretend" my character to be a Captain, and vast majority of the stuff STO storyline present is not even my character's "canon", so to speak.
I just don't understand why Cryptic doesn't offer some sort of compromise, because this seems to be a frequently popping up topic, where people voice their dissatisfaction with current Rank...
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Tuvok: I am sorry, I do not understand. Why have you countered my order?
ME: What rank are you, Tuvok?
Tuvok: I fail to see the logic in your query.
ME: Just answer the damned question. What rank are you?
Tuvok: Admiral.
ME: Say my rank.
Tuvok: Are you suggesting
ME: SAY. MY. RANK.
Tuvok: Fleet Admiral.
ME: Youre God damned right. So who is it that should be giving the final order to engage?
Tuvok: . Yours.
ME: Im sorry?
Tuvok: Yours . Sir.
ME: Id suggest you put this in your Vulcan mind and store it for safe keeping. Now Fleet! Engage the Vaadwuar now!
.
ME: Fleet?
Tuvok: Permission to speak, sir.
ME: Granted.
Tuvok: During the time it took for you to elaborate the significance of your position to me, the Vaadwuar engaged and subsequently destroyed our remaining fleet. We are alone.
ME: All of them?
Tuvok: Indeed.
Me . um, congratulations! Im promoting you to Fleet Admiral! As of twenty minutes ago. Im, um Ill be on Risa.
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Long post, no point quoting it all because you couldn't even get the Quadrants right. Qo'nos and New Romulus are all in the Beta Quardrants while Cardassian, Bajor and DS9 are in the Alpha. Earth is border line on the two.
This may be a rehash, but here goes anyway. On any ship there is only 1 Captain. He may be surrounded by XO's and Commanders, either way, there is only 1 Captain. Maybe what you're asking for, is to have all your Boffs positions be 1 rank below Captain. I'd go for that, Anyone would, that way you could have all four Boff powers active. But it would only add to the "power creep" which is apparently being confused with the term "experience". The whole gameplay would have to be adjusted, so that the critters are more powerful, which is already a difficult and disputed issue. Let the flames rise as the Empire dies. Go Nero, Go!
Ehhhh.... no. Captain is both a rank and a position. There is only ever one person holding the position of Captain on a ship but there can be multiple copies of a captain on a ship. In any case, according to the devs, we are not Captains we are Admirals and as by your logic we should have at least one BOff ranked as a Captain. Unless we're all SOBs like Kirk was to Decker, there was no reason for Kirk to demote him to Cmd when he took charge of the Enterprise. He was just being an TRIBBLE$. As was mentioned Captains Kirk, Spock and Scotty were all serving together on the Enterprise.
Yeah, but the commanding officer still isn't going to be an admiral, is the relevant point.
As mentioned, Admiral Kirk commanded the Enterprise. Not only was he an Admiral, he was head of Starfleet Operations. Then there's Admiral Riker (granted it was in the Future), and Admiral Pressmen who attempted to take command of the Enterprise, and lets not forget our own beloved Admiral Tuvok.
This is not true. I was stationed on an aircraft carrier and there were several officers onboard with captains rank...however there is only one commanding officer.
Even in Star Trek Spock was a captain during the movies after Kirk got demoted...I think Scotty may have been a captain too.
I was thinking of subs, I didn't know carriers had more than one captain, but then I was in the air force:cool:
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ok this has been brought up time and time and time again. Cryptic has said it before they will not reduce the ranks to captain this was something that was on the agenda for a long time. NO ONE would want to play if they stopped at captain. Fleet Admiral is something that a lot of people wanted and looked forward to. Besides it has been stated on more than one occasion that the game revolves around you NOT all of the other people playing the game. As for Tuvok ordering you around there is a thing called battlefield command also just because he is lower rank then you he also has seniority in time of service than you have plus if he was given command of the area you would have to default to him anyway. If you don't like the admiral put on the captain pips and play as a captain this horse has been beat to death
Long post, no point quoting it all because you couldn't even get the Quadrants right. Qo'nos and New Romulus are all in the Beta Quardrants while Cardassian, Bajor and DS9 are in the Alpha. Earth is border line on the two.
Ummm, no nitpicking here, brilliant! Ok ok, if I must...
ME: Just answer the damned question. What rank are you?
Tuvok: Rear Admiral, Lower Half.
Yeah - I never really understood that particular rank... a Lt Colonel is addressed as Colonel, the same as a full-bird Colonel. 2nd and 1st Lieutenants. A General is informally referred to as General regardless of stars, but more formally one could use Brigadier for a single Star General over, say, a three star Lieutenant General, especially when talking about multiple members of similar rank.
When we get into the Naval rank of Admiral it gets even more confusing as admiral ranks above Vice but below Fleet have no established grade above Admiral.
As mentioned, Admiral Kirk commanded the Enterprise. Not only was he an Admiral, he was head of Starfleet Operations. Then there's Admiral Riker (granted it was in the Future), and Admiral Pressmen who attempted to take command of the Enterprise, and lets not forget our own beloved Admiral Tuvok.
How nice of you to completely ignore every single counterpoint regarding Kirk, the fact that "Admiral Riker" only happened in an alternate timeline (with a decent case to be made that the entire episode was a figment of Q's imagination), and that Pressman was acting illegally and Picard was well within his rights and was in fact legally obliged to disobey his orders. As for Tuvok, there's no evidence that he is in sole command of Voyager instead of giving orders to a flag captain.
ok this has been brought up time and time and time again. Cryptic has said it before they will not reduce the ranks to captain this was something that was on the agenda for a long time. NO ONE would want to play if they stopped at captain. Fleet Admiral is something that a lot of people wanted and looked forward to. Besides it has been stated on more than one occasion that the game revolves around you NOT all of the other people playing the game. As for Tuvok ordering you around there is a thing called battlefield command also just because he is lower rank then you he also has seniority in time of service than you have plus if he was given command of the area you would have to default to him anyway. If you don't like the admiral put on the captain pips and play as a captain this horse has been beat to death
Now I am done with my rant
Citation needed for Cryptic saying that they would never reduce ranks, and that nobody would play if they stopped at captain. Also, seniority does not override rank.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
askray has posted it about cryptic not reducing the rank IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
Citation needed.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I am not lazy you are you can't type in the search function and look. Cryptic has stated THEY WILL NOT BE REDUCING THE RANKS they just put in get OVER IT
Ha ha. No. You made the claim, it's your job to back it up.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Don't need to he posted it about a week ago I don't need to back anything up it was stated get over it they are not going to implement new ranks only to get rid of them because of a few cry babies
Don't need to he posted it about a week ago I don't need to back anything up it was stated get over it they are not going to implement new ranks only to get rid of them because of a few cry babies
Citation needed.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
GO LOOK IT UP LAZY are you that lazy you can't do a search
You made the claim. You back it up. I'm not doing your work for you.
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look go do a search if you are A: either to stupid to use the search function or B: to lazy then go do something else. Ranks are not going to change get over it already CRY BABY
look go do a search if you are A: either to stupid to use the search function or B: to lazy then go do something else. Ranks are not going to change get over it already CRY BABY
How quaint, cry baby is an insult I've not heard since I was at school
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look go do a search if you are A: either to stupid to use the search function or B: to lazy then go do something else. Ranks are not going to change get over it already CRY BABY
Why don't you use the search function? Afraid you'll be revealed as a liar?
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— Sabaton, "Great War"
Nope, just too busy laughing at your hilariously pathetic excuses for insults to be bothered to do your job, too.
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Totally, I Run the 77th Fighter Squadron....makes me a fleet admiral..
Have you seen the AI they give to pets? It's terrible. You're not going to get a strategic combat component, you're going to get a bonehead follower who provides limited actual help and eats core breaches all the time.
TMP was an emergency, and in TWOK Spock was CO of the Enterprise, i.e. Kirk's flag captain, and insisted that Kirk take over as de facto commander. In ST3 he was, in order, returning the Enterprise to Spacedock and acting illegally, and in ST4 he was coming home to face trial for said illegal actions. And besides which, Kirk's a fraggin' cowboy.
As for Commodore Decker, historically "commodore" is more of an honorary rank given to a senior captain authorizing him to command a flotilla. It's sort of halfway between a captain and a rear admiral. It's also a rank that no longer exists on either side of the fourth wall.
Admirals command fleets and run organizations. They don't command single vessels, they delegate that to a flag captain so they can concentrate their attention on directing the fleet.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Actually coming home in command of the Enterprise, there was nobody of sufficient rank to take command as Flag Captain, or probably at that point to send out. I mean Scotty could have, but the man was so busy trying to patch up the wounds, it would be a bad idea to take him out of engineering.
So in essence, Kirk was not acting Illegally, he was still technically in command since Star fleet had not removed him since he assumed command.
Don't blame him in that situation, blame starfleet.
And far as having flag captains, the best sci fi series I've ever seen that handles how a flag officer handles a squadron or bigger, is the Honor Harrington Series. David Webber is spot on with how a flag staff works and how it shakes down on a ship with a flag officer aboard.
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And have NPC's refer to us by that rank automatically .
Which solves the issue for those wanting to be Captains
As for Admirals, well the function of an Admiral is a varied one, more so considering Starfleet is Fictional with vague rules based on snipits of info from the Media we've seen
Frequently we see Admirals running operations other than Ship or Fleet command positions, Overseeing inquires, Working as part of the Department of Internal affairs, Sector command posts, and of course the various departmental administrative roles
How many of these admin positions are there? Potentially Hundreds, given the number of Starbases, outposts, Shipyards and other instiliations.
All of which are performed with limited direct command of Starships so being an Admiral doesn't automatically grant you as many ships asd you like at your beck and call
( That said I'd like to be able to bring my spare ships along as sort of Space BOFFS or pets as i'e got many vessel in storage I'd like o use but don't because I can only use one at a time.
At the very least I would like to be able to promote one of my BOFFs to Flag Captain , since I already give them the Command variant of the uniform while I wear the Black admiral version, all thats missing is the appropriate rank pips )
I was referring to when he and the others stole the Enterprise to go back to the Genesis planet, not when he brought it back to Spacedock at the start of the film.
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I personally just "pretend" my character to be a Captain, and vast majority of the stuff STO storyline present is not even my character's "canon", so to speak.
I just don't understand why Cryptic doesn't offer some sort of compromise, because this seems to be a frequently popping up topic, where people voice their dissatisfaction with current Rank...
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Tuvok: Engage the Vaadwuar now!
ME: Belay that order!
Tuvok: I am sorry, I do not understand. Why have you countered my order?
ME: What rank are you, Tuvok?
Tuvok: I fail to see the logic in your query.
ME: Just answer the damned question. What rank are you?
Tuvok: Admiral.
ME: Say my rank.
Tuvok: Are you suggesting
ME: SAY. MY. RANK.
Tuvok: Fleet Admiral.
ME: Youre God damned right. So who is it that should be giving the final order to engage?
Tuvok: . Yours.
ME: Im sorry?
Tuvok: Yours . Sir.
ME: Id suggest you put this in your Vulcan mind and store it for safe keeping. Now Fleet! Engage the Vaadwuar now!
.
ME: Fleet?
Tuvok: Permission to speak, sir.
ME: Granted.
Tuvok: During the time it took for you to elaborate the significance of your position to me, the Vaadwuar engaged and subsequently destroyed our remaining fleet. We are alone.
ME: All of them?
Tuvok: Indeed.
Me . um, congratulations! Im promoting you to Fleet Admiral! As of twenty minutes ago. Im, um Ill be on Risa.
Long post, no point quoting it all because you couldn't even get the Quadrants right. Qo'nos and New Romulus are all in the Beta Quardrants while Cardassian, Bajor and DS9 are in the Alpha. Earth is border line on the two.
Ehhhh.... no. Captain is both a rank and a position. There is only ever one person holding the position of Captain on a ship but there can be multiple copies of a captain on a ship. In any case, according to the devs, we are not Captains we are Admirals and as by your logic we should have at least one BOff ranked as a Captain. Unless we're all SOBs like Kirk was to Decker, there was no reason for Kirk to demote him to Cmd when he took charge of the Enterprise. He was just being an TRIBBLE$. As was mentioned Captains Kirk, Spock and Scotty were all serving together on the Enterprise.
As mentioned, Admiral Kirk commanded the Enterprise. Not only was he an Admiral, he was head of Starfleet Operations. Then there's Admiral Riker (granted it was in the Future), and Admiral Pressmen who attempted to take command of the Enterprise, and lets not forget our own beloved Admiral Tuvok.
No... a fighter squadron is not the same thing as a fleet.
Ummm, no nitpicking here, brilliant! Ok ok, if I must...
ME: Just answer the damned question. What rank are you?
Tuvok: Rear Admiral, Lower Half.
I was thinking of subs, I didn't know carriers had more than one captain, but then I was in the air force:cool:
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Now I am done with my rant
Hey - I was shooting from the hip there LOL
Yeah - I never really understood that particular rank... a Lt Colonel is addressed as Colonel, the same as a full-bird Colonel. 2nd and 1st Lieutenants. A General is informally referred to as General regardless of stars, but more formally one could use Brigadier for a single Star General over, say, a three star Lieutenant General, especially when talking about multiple members of similar rank.
When we get into the Naval rank of Admiral it gets even more confusing as admiral ranks above Vice but below Fleet have no established grade above Admiral.
=/
There can be more than one officer on the senior staff with the rank of captain, but there is only one commanding officer.
Citation needed for Cryptic saying that they would never reduce ranks, and that nobody would play if they stopped at captain. Also, seniority does not override rank.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Citation needed.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
I am not lazy you are you can't type in the search function and look. Cryptic has stated THEY WILL NOT BE REDUCING THE RANKS they just put in get OVER IT
Ha ha. No. You made the claim, it's your job to back it up.
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Citation needed.
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GO LOOK IT UP LAZY are you that lazy you can't do a search
You made the claim. You back it up. I'm not doing your work for you.
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How quaint, cry baby is an insult I've not heard since I was at school
Why don't you use the search function? Afraid you'll be revealed as a liar?
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Are you afraid you will be revealed as a IDIOT
Nope, just too busy laughing at your hilariously pathetic excuses for insults to be bothered to do your job, too.
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