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Delta Unimatrix Tantalus field Generator? Why Cryptic?

willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Why is the Delta Unimatrix Sets special Ability a Mirror Universe Murder Weapon?

Or will we get another Feature Episode when the Mirror Universe Incursion is over, where the Mirror Universe Forces manage to take over our Galaxy and we pledge allegiance to the Emperor whoever it might be? And then we all get Tantalus Field Generators and just zap enemy ships out of existence, no need for weapons anymore? And the Mirror Universe Iconians are the Good guys and Gaul is the Leader of the Resistance?

I think Cryptic /PWE really needs some people who know their Star Trek
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I actually didn't know that and looked it up. Then in that case, since in the Delta Quadrant, I'll say it again on behalf of everyone, where is our ISS Warship Voyager?! But it's only natural considering our exposure to the Terrans at this point we'd adapt their technology, and it's no more immoral to use than any other weaponry which is equally deadly.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Nobody at Cryptic, PWE and CBS (at least anymore) gives a hoot about anything like that. The only thing that's important is use terms and names that somehow are tied to Star Trek, so you get as many people as possible to download and play the game for a day and then move on.
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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    kitsunesnout wrote: »
    I actually didn't know that and looked it up. Then in that case, since in the Delta Quadrant, I'll say it again on behalf of everyone, where is our ISS Warship Voyager?! But it's only natural considering our exposure to the Terrans at this point we'd adapt their technology, and it's no more immoral to use than any other weaponry which is equally deadly.


    The Warship Voyager did never exist. It was a false Kyrina REconstruction . Or it will be 700 years in the Future. But since we are already again in the Delta Quadrant there is a chance that we will contact the Kyrians again an that future will never happen.

    And its not about the Tantalus Field being as Deadly as other weapons. Its about how it works. It erases People from Existance or (other explanation) transport them Back in time AND in another Universe) without anyone noticing. THey will just be gone. Thats a Weapon for Assasins and Terrorists but not a civilized Culture like the Federation, the Romulans or even the Klingons.

    Imagine a Terrorist using that weapon on the White House? No Rocket, Bomb ,anything. Just "poof" and the whole building would be empty and until someone goes inside, no one will know it happened
  • admiralcarteradmiralcarter Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    You can deny me all you want, but you cannot deny Warship Voyager. it exists! That future, that ship, all those people, they exist in here, in Star Trek Voyager! Brannon Braga created it! And everyone of you know it, you SEEN it! It's here, you hear what I'm telling you!? You can pulp a story, but you cannot destroy an idea! Don't you understand, that's ancient knowledge. YOU CANNOT DESTROY AN IDEA. That future, Braga created it, and IT'S REAL! Don't you understand?! IT IS REAL! BRANNON CREATED IT, AND IT'S REAL! It's reaal...

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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Oh I didn't say Warship voyager existed in canon, I've seen that episode more than once. But it certainly could have in the mirror universe. That is up to Cryptic to decide, and they'd be wise to make it so! =^,.,^=
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    Thats a Weapon for Assasins and Terrorists but not a civilized Culture like the Federation, the Romulans or even the Klingons.


    While I agree with you that it was a poor choice in name -- you have noticed I hope that Starfleet (you) in this game have a body count as high as the Everest by now ?


    ... each Cube has thousands of drones in them ... for starters ...
  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Let's think of Te'alc for a second "Our universe is the only one of consequence".
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Nobody at Cryptic, PWE and CBS (at least anymore) gives a hoot about anything like that. The only thing that's important is use terms and names that somehow are tied to Star Trek, so you get as many people as possible to download and play the game for a day and then move on.

    ^^This, in a nutshell.
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  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    And the Mirror Universe Iconians are the Good guys and Gaul is the Leader of the Resistance?

    Nice job ruining Cryptic's epic season 10 plot twist where the Mirror Iconians do battle with the Prime Iconians.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    mightybobcnc wrote: »
    Nice job ruining Cryptic's epic season 10 plot twist where the Mirror Iconians do battle with the Prime Iconians.

    Well considering that the real Iconians are supposed to be peaceful, based on what we've seen, it's more likely to see the Primary Iconians get their mess in order, and get the insurgents we are dealing with under control.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Mirror Universe doesn't mean opposite. It seems everyone is ruthless and more or less evil in the MU. Bajoran, feds, Klingons...
    So Iconians are bad guys to in the MU. And they have goatees.
    anazonda wrote: »
    Well considering that the real Iconians are supposed to be peaceful, based on what we've seen, it's more likely to see the Primary Iconians get their mess in order, and get the insurgents we are dealing with under control.
    Because Picard say they might have been explorers and not conquerors ? It was just an idea, without much proofs. The same way he could have said the same for Vadwaur without meeting them. Destroyed worlds, ability to appear pretty much everywhere real fast using subspace corridors quite similar to the Iconian and their gates, considered as past conquerors, destroyed by an alliance of race,.... they are very similar. And yet Vadwaur are bad guys.

    And in any case, Iconians might have been explorers. But how would you react if your worlds were destroyed, your loved ones dead, killed by ignorant people ? Now, imagine what would happen thousands year in the future, when all that's left is hatred for those who did that, hatred that were taught to every generations. Whatever they used to be, they aren't anymore.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    Mirror Universe doesn't mean opposite. It seems everyone is ruthless and more or less evil in the MU. Bajoran, feds, Klingons...
    So Iconians are bad guys to in the MU. And they have goatees.


    Because Picard say they might have been explorers and not conquerors ? It was just an idea, without much proofs. The same way he could have said the same for Vadwaur without meeting them. Destroyed worlds, ability to appear pretty much everywhere real fast using subspace corridors quite similar to the Iconian and their gates, considered as past conquerors, destroyed by an alliance of race,.... they are very similar. And yet Vadwaur are bad guys.

    And in any case, Iconians might have been explorers. But how would you react if your worlds were destroyed, your loved ones dead, killed by ignorant people ? Now, imagine what would happen thousands year in the future, when all that's left is hatred for those who did that, hatred that were taught to every generations. Whatever they used to be, they aren't anymore.

    No... not because Picard said it, but because of what he said (the point he made), and what we've seen in TNG and DS9...

    Also, consider this: Would a galactic empire disappear almost without a trace of it remaining if it was a ruthless killer empire?

    No... Despite cryptic and certain writers obscure ideas of the Iconians were, the notion that they were in fact ruthless conquers is just... silly IMO.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
    Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideas
  • heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
    edited November 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    The Warship Voyager did never exist. It was a false Kyrina REconstruction . Or it will be 700 years in the Future. But since we are already again in the Delta Quadrant there is a chance that we will contact the Kyrians again an that future will never happen.

    Technically, the Dauntless never existed either, and yet, here we are :p
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    Why is the Delta Unimatrix Sets special Ability a Mirror Universe Murder Weapon?

    Or will we get another Feature Episode when the Mirror Universe Incursion is over, where the Mirror Universe Forces manage to take over our Galaxy and we pledge allegiance to the Emperor whoever it might be? And then we all get Tantalus Field Generators and just zap enemy ships out of existence, no need for weapons anymore? And the Mirror Universe Iconians are the Good guys and Gaul is the Leader of the Resistance?

    I think Cryptic /PWE really needs some people who know their Star Trek

    I've been saying for years that we're really playing the Terran Empire, given how blood thirsty this Starfleet is.
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I like the idea of having more Mirror Universe toys to play with :D

    I hope that any upcoming season or expansion deals solely with the Mirror Universe.
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  • mrgrocer56mrgrocer56 Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    admiralcarter wrote: »
    You can deny me all you want, but you cannot deny Warship Voyager. it exists! That future, that ship, all those people, they exist in here, in Star Trek Voyager! Brannon Braga created it! And everyone of you know it, you SEEN it! It's here, you hear what I'm telling you!? You can pulp a story, but you cannot destroy an idea! Don't you understand, that's ancient knowledge. YOU CANNOT DESTROY AN IDEA. That future, Braga created it, and IT'S REAL! Don't you understand?! IT IS REAL! BRANNON CREATED IT, AND IT'S REAL! It's reaal...

    :P

    Well done, sir. Well done.
  • coolheadalcoolheadal Member Posts: 1,253 Arc User
    edited November 2014
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  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    And they have goatees.

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    Finger wrote:
    Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    heckgoblin wrote: »
    Technically, the Dauntless never existed either, and yet, here we are :p

    The Dauntless did exist. it just wasn´t a starfleet ship. No reason they should not use that Design and the Data from Voyagers scans and maybe even Data provided by Liberated Borg (Arturis and the Dauntless have been assimilated in 2374)

    But, as memory alpha states: The warship Voyager was a Kyrian reconstruction of the USS Voyager, based on badly corroded schematics found in the Syrric Ocean.

    So it did not exist here and probably not in the Mirror Universe since it was all based on damaged data and who knows when the Kyrians found or will find that Data? Maybe hundred years in the Future
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    While I agree with you that it was a poor choice in name -- you have noticed I hope that Starfleet (you) in this game have a body count as high as the Everest by now ?


    ... each Cube has thousands of drones in them ... for starters ...


    We area at war with the Borg (And Klingons, and Vaadwaur, And Voth, And Undine, And Dominion (some), andTHe Romulan Empire, And the Mirror Universe And so on)

    Wow. Or as Picard would say " Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers?"


    A War is a War. A war is always useles, never justified. In a War people die, civilians die, soldiers commit war crimes , Rules get Broken . Bot that does not mean that its correct to break these Rules. Cou should always thry to be better than the enemy and not become like him.
    So that was philosophic.

    If we use the Tantalus Field now we are not Better than James O`Brien. What will be next? Agony Booths to improve Crew and Starship Performance?

    I am 26, been a Star Trek Fan for 20 Years now and there are some things that just should not be, not even in a game as long as its Star Trek.
  • medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    admiralcarter wrote: »
    IT IS REAL! BRANNON CREATED IT, AND IT'S REAL! It's reaal...

    :P

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  • admiralcarteradmiralcarter Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    It's Reeeeeel!
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  • heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
    edited November 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    Why is the Delta Unimatrix Sets special Ability a Mirror Universe Murder Weapon?

    Or will we get another Feature Episode when the Mirror Universe Incursion is over, where the Mirror Universe Forces manage to take over our Galaxy and we pledge allegiance to the Emperor whoever it might be? And then we all get Tantalus Field Generators and just zap enemy ships out of existence, no need for weapons anymore? And the Mirror Universe Iconians are the Good guys and Gaul is the Leader of the Resistance?

    I think Cryptic /PWE really needs some people who know their Star Trek

    You mean you haven't figured it out yet?

    We're the Mirror Universe. We're the bad guys.
    I AM WAR.
  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I have not read the whole thread but I do hope everyone we are not using the Tantalus field as a weapon?
  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited November 2014
    willamsheridan wrote: »
    Why is the Delta Unimatrix Sets special Ability a Mirror Universe Murder Weapon?

    Or will we get another Feature Episode when the Mirror Universe Incursion is over, where the Mirror Universe Forces manage to take over our Galaxy and we pledge allegiance to the Emperor whoever it might be? And then we all get Tantalus Field Generators and just zap enemy ships out of existence, no need for weapons anymore? And the Mirror Universe Iconians are the Good guys and Gaul is the Leader of the Resistance?

    I think Cryptic /PWE really needs some people who know their Star Trek

    Fed aligned players can use Tharalon weapons, subspace torpedoes, and generally slaughter everyone in each and every encounter.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    I have not read the whole thread but I do hope everyone we are not using the Tantalus field as a weapon?
    It's a form of super point defense. It's a click power that lets you atomize seeker, mines, fighters and shuttles close to you.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    heckgoblin wrote: »
    Technically, the Dauntless never existed either, and yet, here we are :p

    Sure it did... A fake alien one, and the one present at the battle of Procyon 5... One a fake Starfleet and one a very real starfleet ship.
    Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
    pwebranflakes wrote: »
    Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    markhawkman wrote: »
    It's a form of super point defense. It's a click power that lets you atomize seeker, mines, fighters and shuttles close to you.

    If I am remembering right it did not kill anything. It just phased them out for a few seconds.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    If I am remembering right it did not kill anything. It just phased them out for a few seconds.
    In the TV show? I don't think it was fully explained. (looks it up)

    Tantalus field all data on what it does to people and where it came from seems to be strictly non-canon. all we know for sure is that the people it was used on were never seen again.
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    markhawkman wrote: »
    In the TV show? I don't think it was fully explained. (looks it up)

    Tantalus field all data on what it does to people and where it came from seems to be strictly non-canon. all we know for sure is that the people it was used on were never seen again.

    I meant the tooltip for the power.
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