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I like to play STO as canon as possible so i play my fed ships with phasers. With all the new weapon types that were put into the game with the past updates, and the resulting power creep left phaser weapons pretty much behind. Every other weapontype has some sort of DoT.
Wouldnt it be time to buff the phasers a bit? Give them some type of DoT aswell?
Wouldnt it be time to buff the phasers a bit? Give them some type of DoT aswell?
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Phasers just have the 2.5% chance to disable a random subsystem for 5 sec. After the proc enemys are immune for the proc for 10 sec.
If you want tol use phaser with a Dot maybe look at the Hybrid-phaser, as there are
Phased Biomatter and Bio-Molecular.
They grant some additional Proc.
I recently switched from Disruptors to Phasers on my higher DPS Captain, because I also wanted to fly a Canon looking build. While I noticed a slight decrease in damage output it's really nothing to worry about. It's not like you totally gimp yourself with that weapon type. So just go for it and hope the Devs change it some time in the future. We had several discussions about Phasers and AFAIK there was no Dev response in any of the threads, so don't expect one here
Actually...they weren't any better than the norm.
From the episode TNG episode "The Defector":
Data:[...]"The Romulans have the same capability to direct the impact of their weapons as we do. "
I'd like to know what your claimed is based on please.
It disappoints me how few players can see the value of each weapon/energy type. If it doesn't have some sort of extra damage proc, they don't even consider using it. If it doesn't boost dps, its not worth it. I've always been of the mind that each ship should use the weapons it was designed to use in the show/movies. That includes the energy type as well as the weapon type. And I've always thought that maybe it would be better to have each ship retain the canon color of its weapons, and just have players select the weapon type and mods (I.e. beam array, (dmg)x2, (acc)).
(the OP hasn't been updated yet, the damage restrictions aren't in place anymore.)
But it isn't a 'shield proc' it's a 'random subsystem proc'; so even when it works, there is no guarantee that it'll do anything useful. What's more, as I understand it, there is an immunity period so that ships can't just be perma-disabled by concentrated phaser fire; which means the proc can't trigger on a given target anywhere near as often as other weapon procs can.
Anyway, it's not just damage procs people like. Polarons have their fans too, because the drain proc synergises so well with certain builds.
capnmanx borught it to the point. The Phaser proc is a chance to knock one system offline for a short time. And the target gets immune for 10 seconds if it hits. Given that every subsystem shutdown but shields is useless against NPCs Phaser give a 2.5% chance to get a 25% chance to disable shields for 5 seconds (I think it was 5). A chance to have a chance to do something useful.
That's why it it considered the worst proc.
Or torpedos for that matter.
I had upgraded mine on Tribble, haven't done so on Live yet. What I liked was when they reached Ultra Rare, they received a CrtX mod.
A year or so ago, I was in a canon built FExcelsior using Phasers and Quantums. I couldn't break 6k Damage Per Second. I finally gave up on trying to remain canon and now I travel in the 30k DPS circles. That was my choice. Remaining canon is just as valid, but again, you have accept the limitations you're imposing on yourself.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Anyone say those proc the 2.5% chance to disable 1 random subsystem ?
SCE ADVISORY NOTICE: Improper Impulse Engine maintenance can result in REAR THRUSTER LEAKAGE. ALWAYS have your work inspected by another qualified officer.
It does, but if you want the full set you end up not making any gains; since it includes that counter command tac console which is not as good as a standard phaser console (let alone one of the fleet vulnerability ones).
Uni-Console, Tac-Console, Heavy Phaser Turret, Biomolecular Photon Torpedo.
2 pieces give 7.5% Phaser damage.
Given the fact that both the Torpedo and the Turret are green. You'd have to give up two console slots, one being a tac console, to get that bonus on a canon looking ship. Probably not the best option on most builds.
CC Deflector gives Bonus to all Energy and Torpedo damage.
No, and I never claimed that it did. Better players took me under their wing and taught me how to the game's mechanics work and how to build ships to maximize your potential within the confines of that system. However, there is an indisputable fact that you're going to have to live with. Lets take a T5-U FGalaxy and build them identically except for one thing. You keep one torp in the front and one in the rear while I keep eight beams. I'm going to out DPS you every. single. time. It's just the way the game's mechanics work. Another "feature" of the game's mechanics is that Phasers are simply one of the worst choices in PvE. I'll gladly join you in requesting a change in the proc to make them more appealing, but short of that happening, it simply is what it is.
I'm a staunch supporter of what you're trying to do. I think it would be a lot of fun and at the end of the day, that's what the game is about. I prefer min/maxing. You prefer playing canon Trek. Both are equally valid ways to derive enjoyment from the game.
For the cost of upgrading, I think I will have to be happy with plain ol' VR MkXIV :P
Sounds like you don't actually have a lot of experience using them.
I broke down and purchased elite fleet phasers for 2 toons; 2 complete sets of arrays, dual beams and dual heavy cannons. I've tried everything else, and my other toons specialize in AP, polaron, disrupters and romulan Plasma.
For starters the heal proc does work, infact they work quite well.
For my escort build, the added shields heals are surprisingly valuable allowing me to drop one of my two shield heals for an additional A2W.
On my science builds, the arrays are surprisingly valuable. My current leveling with the 4 new T6 ships have been done with all elite XIV phasers
Are the 'better' than a similar build with anti-proton? If all you're talking about is DPS, then the answer is no. But if you like 'Star Trek', and want something more like the series? Then hell yeah, they're good.
The problem with the Elite Phasers isn't the proc itself, but that you have to give up a Modifier.
DMG and ACC are undesirable, what you want is CrtD, or at least CrtH. Ideally CrtDx3 for maximum damage output. With Fleet weapons you can only get a single CrtD and are stuck with DMGx2 (or DMGx3 for advanced).
That tiny 2.5% chance of a heal you might not even need when it procs IMHO isn't worth giving up damage potential due to bad weapon modifiers.
Craft Mk II Beams until you get some with CrtDx3 or CrtDx2 PEN, then upgrade those. Might actually be cheaper than getting Fleet weapons.
I am guessing with "A2W" you mean Emergency Power to Weapons?
In that case I think you would have gained more by keeping that heal if you really needed it and go with high damage phasers. If it's dead it can't hurt you.
IMHO there are much better ways to get keep your shields up, that are more reliable and don't hurt your damage potential that much.
For example you could
- Invest in Damage Control Engineers to have constant uptime on both EPtW and EPtS. A single Science Team or TSS is totally enough to keep your shields up then.
- Shield Batteries
- Intelligence Specialization
- Science Team Cooldown Reduction DOFF (cheap!)
- Keep moving to increase defense, if it misses you, your shields are happy
In response to your last sentence:
My signature should make clear where I come from. I use Phasers exclusively on my Federation Characters, even on my MinMax high DPS char.
Canon builds and DPS can definitely go hand in hand, we proof that all the time in the STB-channel.
Everyone needs to do damage. Even the tanks need it to get aggro. Even more so with Delta Rising.
Using Phasers, and in general canon builds, you certainly want to get every bit of damage output you can get.