Dil was reduced exactly so people would be in trouble and need even more.
Remember the rule of acquisition: once you have their money, never give them back.
Really, all failures I see in advanced queues at this point in time have been due to poor tactics being exercised during pugs rather than lack of DPS. For example, yes, I know a cube over a transformer in KSA has more HP. Concentrate more on it and team attack it, don't spawn three cubes at the same time and then get pissed when you're overwhelmed and next thing you know the probe watch has to attempt to fend off two or three cubes while keeping probes out of the gate. These things are really not hard to succeed at without uber DPS if you use your brain more and your spacebar less.
I agree that there are fail criteria at place which can easily be dealt with by the minor strategies familiar to players for years. The problem is that even if you do those fail criteria are supported by a timer which brings enemy hull hit points in correlation to the teams damage output to nothing more than very strict DPS.
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I also see the specter of racism or nationalism in this complaints about "Chinese company." Who cares where the company is located? Is it a cue that you are meant to hate it because its from China?
Believe it or not, on Amazon, I remember reading complaints that if tea came from China, the complainers weren't going to buy it. Where did they think tea originally came from?
Paper was invented in China.
Spaghetti was invented in China.
Rockets, gunpowder, and fireworks were invented in China.
Just so you know, not all that China does gets my approval -- the suppression of Tibet being one example; how Beijing is dealing with Hong Kong is another; Tian an Men in 1989 is another.
Believe it or not, on Amazon, I remember reading complaints that if tea came from China, the complainers weren't going to buy it. Where did they think tea originally came from?
Paper was invented in China.
Spaghetti was invented in China.
Rockets, gunpowder, and fireworks were invented in China.
Just so you know, not all that China does gets my approval -- the suppression of Tibet being one example; how Beijing is dealing with Hong Kong is another; Tian an Men in 1989 is another.
"God created the World. Everything else is made in China."
We only really do Advanced/Elite STFs with Fleetmates now in private queues? Why? Because with the changes and possible failures with no rewards, it makes zero sense to just PUG the queues and get someone who is either there to grief; or never bothered to learn the encounter by doing Normals first; and more often than not, have no clue as to how to coordinate; or even listen/follow simple instructions.
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Something tells me that today's nerf to the XP that can earned from playing on Normal is going to make the already bad situation with regard to the queues even worse.
At this point, a cynical/pessimistic person might be forgiven for thinking that they are actively trying to drive players away.
:mad:
It falls in line with converting a non grinder game into one. You have to kill off the old playerbase that was used to relatively normal reward/time ratios, as well as having knowledge of how the game used to be.
You cant have a constant influx of players who come in, start playing, see how great it could be, drop a few bucks, then by the time they reach end they leave, as another chump starts up, if people are warning them the entire time about the back end.
A stable, knowledgable playerbase is counterproductive to this style of cash grabbing. Therefore we must be killed off.
If you look at a lot of recent changes made, does this seem to make a little more sense about the direction they are taking things? Go look at some of the other ARC games and how they run the stores, and the time/reward ratios and you will see STO was the exception.
So many issues with todays patch. I've done 6+ PvE queues a night for months, then only 1 on Tuesday and NONE last night. My nightly 5+ hours have been cut as of last night to less time than it takes to post a second post on this forum.
GG cryptic
I've been away from Star Citizen too long playing STO, at east in SC everyone knows it's in alpha. I'm going 'home'.
That, sadly, makes perfect sense. And that it makes so much sense is VERY sad.
I started trying to tell people this day 1 of DR. Getting all kinds of hate thrown at me for trying to tell people the new direction they are taking the game.
All the problems that came about a week later just added to my suspicion, and this last week merely confirmed it. People think its just another uproar like the tons in the past.(lol no game should have so many I Quit moments) All it takes is looking at history, looking at their other products, and you could see the correlation of events to come.
Then, like dominos everything started falling into place.
The DOOOM threads are nonsense because this is more than just crying about a race, or a feature, or a change you dont like. This is core fundamentals of reward/time ratios combined with heavy monetization. AKA, Grinder game activated.
I played Champions, Swordsman and STO. I was an active subscriber my entire time in STO, and was willing to spend about $20 a month on other games they made. Eventually I noticed how $20 is NOTHING in games like these. And thats when I uninstalled ARC, and on the SAME DAY found so many good games out there that dont follow the Zynga laws of money making.
You know, where your $20 actually gets you something tangible and rewarding, and most of all, FUN.
This aint the STO you guys came to know and love, with content updates and new shiney things to buy. Now, EVERYTHING needs Dil, the rewards have been neutered, and the amount of time it takes to get a sense of accomplishment is so out of whack I can start damn near any other game out there and have an "endgame" character in less time than it takes to HALFWAY finish crafting and spec trees on ONE character. Unless of course I spend $200.
Give it a couple weeks and pug advance queues will not exist.
Before DR their were 40-100 players playing each of the borg elite stf's (besides hive) and you could queue up and be inside a stf within 30 seconds.
Yesterday the advanced queues had 5-20 playing each of the borg stf's and it took a couple minutes to get into a group.
The worst part is most of the advanced groups you get into will last 10 minutes and fail the mission giving you no dilithium and 10 marks plus an hour cooldown on that stf.
Actually no there not the exception they've taken a hit as well I know because that's all I've ever played in this game and even those are hit.
The rewards are out of whack too on all of them because it's not based on the time you spend in the thing.
For example, the disconnected borg Stf taked three times as long as the Cure Found but the Cure Found is almost always guaranteed to be 100 marks per run whereas I might get 45 on the DB run each time even with a good team.
So they really need to address this problem with their reward system. It's not just the dilithium, it's also on the ground missions, it's the reason why I refuse to go to Defera borg zone anymore.
I am only log in for a few minutes to refine my stocked dil and fire up some research in a wait for a better times to play. Still wondering if i have to bother with the mirror event. I was active in public pve because i didn't have the patience to wait for my fleet members to get ready. Well now i am not playing so yes, i can imagine.
Give it a couple weeks and pug advance queues will not exist.
Before DR their were 40-100 players playing each of the borg elite stf's (besides hive) and you could queue up and be inside a stf within 30 seconds.
Yesterday the advanced queues had 5-20 playing each of the borg stf's and it took a couple minutes to get into a group.
The worst part is most of the advanced groups you get into will last 10 minutes and fail the mission giving you no dilithium and 10 marks plus an hour cooldown on that stf.
You are correct, yesterday I was hoping that the reduction in participation in regular queues is due to mirror event and players would run all that. Well... players are running Mirror Event with preference and one has no trouble to queue up at least for that. Problem is just that compared to previous events like this one only 10% of players seem to enjoy the event. Considering the reward (less skill points than on ground, no delta marks) I can not blame anybody.
Well with mirror event running at least there is something to play at for the moment..
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The trend will continue until the Ques are completely dead.
Players that are trying to get Rep Gear can't get their gear. They need the Advanced Ques to get the processors, but they can't complete the ques because they don't have rep gear.
Geared out Veteran Players won't touch it because if they get 1 or 2 people that aren't max geared it's an instant fail.
Cryptic has managed to create a difficulty setting that appeals to absolutely no one. Don't look for it to improve anytime soon.
You are correct, yesterday I was hoping that the reduction in participation in regular queues is due to mirror event and players would run all that. Well... players are running Mirror Event with preference and one has no trouble to queue up at least for that. Problem is just that compared to previous events like this one only 10% of players seem to enjoy the event. Considering the reward (less skill points than on ground, no delta marks) I can not blame anybody.
Well with mirror event running at least there is something to play at for the moment..
I kind of like the mirror event but it seems no one is running the borg stf much anymore with the mirror event going on. When i logged in this afternoon at 6pm pst there was this breakdown for advanced queues
ISA:10 playing 3 waiting
ICA:5 playing 1 waiting
Cure:0 playing 3 waiting
Borg disconnect:0 playing 4 waiting
Mirror event:10 playing 3 waiting
Less then 40 people either waiting for or playing an advanced queue thats sad considering there were more people playing the old ISE at midnight before DR launched.
They really are trying to get people to play i mean do the mirror event 14 times and get 50k dilithium is really generous for Cryptic/PWE plus 500 fleet marks/250 rep marks and a shotgun.
Im in total agreement with the rest of your post but I really hope you are not correct there:
This would mean Game Over for A LOT of players.
I hope I'm wrong too.
Especially because it's so easy to fix. It feels right now like they're afraid that fixing it would be some type of admission that they made a mistake. Why that's bad, I don't know, but that's how it feels so far.
I hope they just put the Advanced Ques back like they were.. they used to be fun.
They really need to resolve al this now and fast. I'm stunned how dead the queues are. And they really are dead. You can barely get 5 players together for anything at all. Its time for drastic action - another patch to Advanced to reduce enemy HP back to the old Elite and a serious evaluation of these optionals (either remove them or rejig them so they aren't so formidable).
Perhaps (here's hoping) the unscheduled Mirror Invasion Event is there to distract us in order to give them time to look at and fix the difficulty settings properly! :cool: The Mirror Invasion Event could also be contributing to the queues being even deader than they have been since Delta Rising launched.
I cannot recall ever in all my playing time any event killing off any of the popular queues. Even 24/7 you could count on at least 1 instance of the 20 person starbase defense going on. That was my fav one since lots of people could play together and it kept me around for months just to login and run it. PLEASE fix the queues, they mean so much to players like me and what is happening now is awful!
I am pretty much a casual, I never parsed or cared bout how much dps I could do, I just found ways to be useful and have fun at same time. I dont know what is goin on behind the scenes or what patch fixes and nerfs happen. I actually run the stfs cuz they were fun. Only 1 of the fleets I am in is still active and they have lots of hardcore players who put in 8 hour days and money. I am sad that I truly feel this is the worst state the game has been in since ive played.
This for me is the problem with DR. They felt we would be motivated by the difficulty to upgrade. And while I am upgrading anyway, it seems the calculation still has missed the mark for the average player. The gulf between normal and advanced is yawning. Normal I am doing in 2 to 3 minutes. Advanced ISA for example is ending around the time limit for optional on advanced.
Normal can stay the same for new/super casual players. Advanced needs the same treatment that Crystalline got. That is absolutely perfect now.
I also see the specter of racism or nationalism in this complaints about "Chinese company." Who cares where the company is located? Is it a cue that you are meant to hate it because its from China?
Who cares? Well Im sure tons of people care considering we are talking about a communist country with STRICT internet censorship, one child policies (they will kill your baby if you have more than one) and a system that murders anyone that speaks out against the communist overlords. Sorry if thats not an issue for you but it is for a large amount of people. And anyone that thinks speaking out about these horrible policies is racism is nothing more than a complete joke.
I have no interest in you miserable racist hate-filled boring reality. Turn of Fox News and try a show called Star Trek. Ever seen it?
Are you serious right now? The society in Star Trek works because they have gotten RID of single country governments and work together. That has absolutely no connection to the horrible actions taken by the communist chinese government on a DAILY BASIS. In fact, if the world was trying to set up a world government like the one in Star Trek one of the FIRST things that would have to be done is dismantling the governments of communist controlled countries.
So speaking out against a one child policy that includes FORCED ABORTIONS, speaking out against internet censorship, and speaking out against a government that will jail or murder ANY opposition is now "miserable racist hate-filled boring reality."
What kind of fantasyland do you live in?! The Chinese people live under horrors everyday and you want everyone to just shut up about it and support the communists and if we dont then we are miserable and racist?!
Yeah apparently you have taken the term "bleeding heart liberal" to the extreme. That or you are a supporter of communism.
China is a single-party communist country. Every chinese business is either majority-owned by the government or operates at their pleasure (bribes). They will be using your money to fund militarized expansion across the Asia-Pacific region. So yeah it matters.
SHHHH your messing up the fantasyland this guy lives in!!!
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Remember the rule of acquisition: once you have their money, never give them back.
I agree that there are fail criteria at place which can easily be dealt with by the minor strategies familiar to players for years. The problem is that even if you do those fail criteria are supported by a timer which brings enemy hull hit points in correlation to the teams damage output to nothing more than very strict DPS.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
Believe it or not, on Amazon, I remember reading complaints that if tea came from China, the complainers weren't going to buy it. Where did they think tea originally came from?
Paper was invented in China.
Spaghetti was invented in China.
Rockets, gunpowder, and fireworks were invented in China.
Just so you know, not all that China does gets my approval -- the suppression of Tibet being one example; how Beijing is dealing with Hong Kong is another; Tian an Men in 1989 is another.
Spaghetti is Italian. Chinese have similar things call noodles. Noodles have slightly different texture and flavors. google next time :P
system Lord Baal is dead
"God created the World. Everything else is made in China."
something tells me you are not a chef :eek:
system Lord Baal is dead
you not a chef to spaghetti is italian, noodles are chinese. 2 different types of pasta
system Lord Baal is dead
Capital investments have been made, and MUST be recovered
No going back on anything, if anything its going to become more desperate.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
It falls in line with converting a non grinder game into one. You have to kill off the old playerbase that was used to relatively normal reward/time ratios, as well as having knowledge of how the game used to be.
You cant have a constant influx of players who come in, start playing, see how great it could be, drop a few bucks, then by the time they reach end they leave, as another chump starts up, if people are warning them the entire time about the back end.
A stable, knowledgable playerbase is counterproductive to this style of cash grabbing. Therefore we must be killed off.
If you look at a lot of recent changes made, does this seem to make a little more sense about the direction they are taking things? Go look at some of the other ARC games and how they run the stores, and the time/reward ratios and you will see STO was the exception.
WAS, being the key word.
So many issues with todays patch. I've done 6+ PvE queues a night for months, then only 1 on Tuesday and NONE last night. My nightly 5+ hours have been cut as of last night to less time than it takes to post a second post on this forum.
GG cryptic
I've been away from Star Citizen too long playing STO, at east in SC everyone knows it's in alpha. I'm going 'home'.
Enjoy your empty queues, and empty forums.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I started trying to tell people this day 1 of DR. Getting all kinds of hate thrown at me for trying to tell people the new direction they are taking the game.
All the problems that came about a week later just added to my suspicion, and this last week merely confirmed it. People think its just another uproar like the tons in the past.(lol no game should have so many I Quit moments) All it takes is looking at history, looking at their other products, and you could see the correlation of events to come.
Then, like dominos everything started falling into place.
The DOOOM threads are nonsense because this is more than just crying about a race, or a feature, or a change you dont like. This is core fundamentals of reward/time ratios combined with heavy monetization. AKA, Grinder game activated.
I played Champions, Swordsman and STO. I was an active subscriber my entire time in STO, and was willing to spend about $20 a month on other games they made. Eventually I noticed how $20 is NOTHING in games like these. And thats when I uninstalled ARC, and on the SAME DAY found so many good games out there that dont follow the Zynga laws of money making.
You know, where your $20 actually gets you something tangible and rewarding, and most of all, FUN.
This aint the STO you guys came to know and love, with content updates and new shiney things to buy. Now, EVERYTHING needs Dil, the rewards have been neutered, and the amount of time it takes to get a sense of accomplishment is so out of whack I can start damn near any other game out there and have an "endgame" character in less time than it takes to HALFWAY finish crafting and spec trees on ONE character. Unless of course I spend $200.
Which is ludicrous.
Before DR their were 40-100 players playing each of the borg elite stf's (besides hive) and you could queue up and be inside a stf within 30 seconds.
Yesterday the advanced queues had 5-20 playing each of the borg stf's and it took a couple minutes to get into a group.
The worst part is most of the advanced groups you get into will last 10 minutes and fail the mission giving you no dilithium and 10 marks plus an hour cooldown on that stf.
Actually no there not the exception they've taken a hit as well I know because that's all I've ever played in this game and even those are hit.
The rewards are out of whack too on all of them because it's not based on the time you spend in the thing.
For example, the disconnected borg Stf taked three times as long as the Cure Found but the Cure Found is almost always guaranteed to be 100 marks per run whereas I might get 45 on the DB run each time even with a good team.
So they really need to address this problem with their reward system. It's not just the dilithium, it's also on the ground missions, it's the reason why I refuse to go to Defera borg zone anymore.
You are correct, yesterday I was hoping that the reduction in participation in regular queues is due to mirror event and players would run all that. Well... players are running Mirror Event with preference and one has no trouble to queue up at least for that. Problem is just that compared to previous events like this one only 10% of players seem to enjoy the event. Considering the reward (less skill points than on ground, no delta marks) I can not blame anybody.
Well with mirror event running at least there is something to play at for the moment..
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
Players that are trying to get Rep Gear can't get their gear. They need the Advanced Ques to get the processors, but they can't complete the ques because they don't have rep gear.
Geared out Veteran Players won't touch it because if they get 1 or 2 people that aren't max geared it's an instant fail.
Cryptic has managed to create a difficulty setting that appeals to absolutely no one. Don't look for it to improve anytime soon.
This would mean Game Over for A LOT of players.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
I kind of like the mirror event but it seems no one is running the borg stf much anymore with the mirror event going on. When i logged in this afternoon at 6pm pst there was this breakdown for advanced queues
ISA:10 playing 3 waiting
ICA:5 playing 1 waiting
Cure:0 playing 3 waiting
Borg disconnect:0 playing 4 waiting
Mirror event:10 playing 3 waiting
Less then 40 people either waiting for or playing an advanced queue thats sad considering there were more people playing the old ISE at midnight before DR launched.
They really are trying to get people to play i mean do the mirror event 14 times and get 50k dilithium is really generous for Cryptic/PWE plus 500 fleet marks/250 rep marks and a shotgun.
I hope I'm wrong too.
Especially because it's so easy to fix. It feels right now like they're afraid that fixing it would be some type of admission that they made a mistake. Why that's bad, I don't know, but that's how it feels so far.
I hope they just put the Advanced Ques back like they were.. they used to be fun.
Exactly and best part about them was they used to be fun for everybody!
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I am pretty much a casual, I never parsed or cared bout how much dps I could do, I just found ways to be useful and have fun at same time. I dont know what is goin on behind the scenes or what patch fixes and nerfs happen. I actually run the stfs cuz they were fun. Only 1 of the fleets I am in is still active and they have lots of hardcore players who put in 8 hour days and money. I am sad that I truly feel this is the worst state the game has been in since ive played.
Best Sig EVA... Keep up the good work
Who cares? Well Im sure tons of people care considering we are talking about a communist country with STRICT internet censorship, one child policies (they will kill your baby if you have more than one) and a system that murders anyone that speaks out against the communist overlords. Sorry if thats not an issue for you but it is for a large amount of people. And anyone that thinks speaking out about these horrible policies is racism is nothing more than a complete joke.
Are you serious right now? The society in Star Trek works because they have gotten RID of single country governments and work together. That has absolutely no connection to the horrible actions taken by the communist chinese government on a DAILY BASIS. In fact, if the world was trying to set up a world government like the one in Star Trek one of the FIRST things that would have to be done is dismantling the governments of communist controlled countries.
So speaking out against a one child policy that includes FORCED ABORTIONS, speaking out against internet censorship, and speaking out against a government that will jail or murder ANY opposition is now "miserable racist hate-filled boring reality."
What kind of fantasyland do you live in?! The Chinese people live under horrors everyday and you want everyone to just shut up about it and support the communists and if we dont then we are miserable and racist?!
Yeah apparently you have taken the term "bleeding heart liberal" to the extreme. That or you are a supporter of communism.
SHHHH your messing up the fantasyland this guy lives in!!!