just remember we have volunteer forum mods,the PWE community management ppl ( looking at smirk and trendy ) , the devs, and at the top of the food chain we have the EP.
Their job is to act as a link between the players and the devs, facilitating TWO-WAY conversation. Conversation that discusses changes to the game and how it is implemented.
If such constructive debate HAD occured we wouldn't be left with the s*1t-show that STO has become...
T-6 versus T-5U ship debacle
Ridiculous crafting system with RNG mods that lead to items with value that differs by orders of magnitude
Insane gear upgrade system that equates to daylight robbery in the dil/resource required to achieve rarity increases
Laughable attempt at difficult changes that has left all Queued events un-playable by the majority at
ADVANCED level
Mind-numbing grind for level-increase/specialisation completion that keeps getting worse with every "fix"
So yer, actually I completely support all the raging that Trendy is getting. In my view it is not enough. If she and Smirk stopped p*ssing about making inane live-streams, posting garbage on social media sites and chatting mornically about f*#king bacon AND ACTUALLY DID THEIR JOB MANAGING THE COMMUNITY we wouldn't have a game that is going down the toilet.
Of course it's not Trendy's or Smirk's fault. Just like it isn't the fault of environmental artists who did an absolutely remarkable job. Nor is the ship artists' or story writer's fault. That's the whole point. You don't know who to blame! People are blaming devs in general not knowing who took the decision and what kind of instructions they received from above.
Imagine how disappointed you would be as an environmental artist doing a fantastic job and then getting feedback like "DR is a failure. It's terrible. Never gonna play again." Just because somebody decided XP for completing missions or doing patrols should be reduced.
I urge everybody to be more moderate - and most importantly - more specific in your critique. DR is NOT a failure. Many aspects of it are fantastic! A few more tweaks and bugfixes together with some more missions can still turn this expansion into one of the best ever released.
Of course it's not Trendy's or Smirk's fault. Just like it isn't the fault of environmental artists who did an absolutely remarkable job. Nor is the ship artists' or story writer's fault. That's the whole point. You don't know who to blame! People are blaming devs in general not knowing who took the decision and what kind of instructions they received from above.
Imagine how disappointed you would be as an environmental artist doing a fantastic job and then getting feedback like "DR is a failure. It's terrible. Never gonna play again." Just because somebody decided XP for completing missions or doing patrols should be reduced.
I urge everybody to be more moderate - and most importantly - more specific in your critique. DR is NOT a failure. Many aspects of it are fantastic! A few more tweaks and bugfixes together with some more missions can still turn this expansion into one of the best ever released.
If I go into the same restaurant I love for its great food regularly and suddenly come out with a turned stomach it may be that I have not noticed the new nice beautiful curtains in front of the kitchen door.
Endgame feels broke and 10 new missions or a handful of dev blogs dont change that and especially can't make up for it.
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Yup. I initially raged at Trendy a bit too. And for that I'm genuinely sorry. I was taken aback by her very blanket (and public) accusation towards those having lost XP, and I didn't expect that from her. But, ultimately, she was no doubt just communicating what she was being told. So yeah, let's not shoot the messenger. Especially one I generally like. I reckon she wasn't particularly happy bringing us the message to begin with.
Let's not, in the process of (rightfully) exonerating Trendy, shoot the message either, though. Which really needs to be heard. And this, erm, is really kind of the role of the Community Manager. Sorry. Between one dev hiding behind Q, the other behind Trendy, this is all getting very frustrating.
While I agree we should not rage on Trendy. She is part of the community team, her and Smirk are the faces of STO we see the most. So while I am not upset with her doing her job, she could be doing more by other things. She can come out and say "I have read numerous forum post and have conveyed your concerns about the game direction to the Devs." This is Smirk's and her job to communicate between the community and the Develoopment Team.
While I agree we should not rage on Trendy. She is part of the community team, her and Smirk are the faces of STO we see the most. So while I am not upset with her doing her job, she could be doing more by other things. She can come out and say "I have read numerous forum post and have conveyed your concerns about the game direction to the Devs." This is Smirk's and her job to communicate between the community and the Develoopment Team.
I can agree with this.
And if Cryptic/PWE is keeping the leash so tight that they're not even allowed to do this, that's just more rage that should be directed their way.
its not trendys fault she is the messenger not the person who sent the message in the first place
dont shoot the messenger shoot the ones who sent the message in the first place aka the dev team and PWE who are responsible for them.
anyways can we just stop attacking trendy for something she did not do and relise she is just a forum mod not a game dev.
anyways thought id just say that im no cryptic fan and am one of their biggest critics and detractors however i think the venting on trendy is wrong.
so with that said i think the blaming trendy posts should just stop and yes ive seen a few just cant remember the threads.
frankly i saw this coming for months now, i took no time to see through trendy and smirk and i knew something like this would happen, i felt they were not upto the challenge in the same way the previous one, branflakes used to be, thats what i thought at the time when introductions were made. never stated anything about it but when you know your bad yourself, you can spot it a mile off in others... it took me all of 10 seconds.
i got nothing against them but the way they have so far acted in their positions on this game leaves a lot to be desired and you get the above quoted as a way of defending the status quo. trendy and smirk work better in co and nwo, but it clearly not with sto, thats not entirely a bad thing, it just means that their talents are now more obvious and they can be harnessed better on those games, get another community manager in to full time on sto and occasionally on the other two if needed. but thats upto whoever it is who runs that part of the operation what, who and where if they wish to do such a thing.
sometimes the best form of feedback is the stinging negative feedback, sometimes it hurts and it was fully meant to. best thing to avoid it is by learning to not do it again and find another way around the issue. in this case it was the responsibility of the community officer to deliver the information in a way that is deserving of it, a lot of people feel that the value of how it was handled was very poor, obviously the forum community is up in arms over it, but thats only a few percent of the playerbase, so a more clearer picture from social trollworking sites and such could offer a better picture of what they think of how it was handled.
one can always find a positive in a negative, dont just see the negative for what its not.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I don't have a bad word to say about Trendy, but sadly it comes with the job. She is along with Smirk the "face" of the dev team and such rage should be expected in addition to being condemned.
how about we keep raging at everyone of of them, they deserve it.
they stopped giving a damn about the game a long time ago,
now they proudly show off they give a damn about their players too.
of course its our fault if we grind exp while literally every other
thing in game is unplayable broken or boring as hell/not worth the effort.
no sympathy from me for any of these guys.
theyre bad and do even worse work.
I realise the difference between the CM's and the Devs, and as it is the Devs who keep messing up constantly as far as I'm concerned they take the flak.
Should Trendy and Smirk be relaying our grievances? Yes, but not take flak themselves unless they aren't doing their job of course, but I imagine they probably are.
Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head. - Euripides
I no longer do any Bug Hunting work for Cryptic. I may resume if a serious attempt to fix the game is made.
In stead of asking the initial question, I would pose:
Can we start discussing with developers and directors? Then we can rage against the right persons.
Do you honestly think that PWE management (bunch of middle aged Chinese, with communist party ties, sitting in Bejing and not giving a rat's behind for some stupid American SF franchise) has any interest in a dialogue?
You pay money on their terms or you GTFO, do you think this is some form of parliamentarism where you have say?
Fat chance. Gecko is the one the rage is REALLY directed at. And it's very rare to see him post anything here.
Duh... It would take balls to actually take time to listen to your clients. He does not have to read. Let cryptic form a user council. People that can summarise the sentiments of the player base every now and again. That come with suggestions and ideas.
Actually, now that I think about it, similar like professional companies that have client summits.
She is a Cryptic employee, let her take flak for the garbage her company peddles, she does it of her own free will and is paid for it.
Oh noes, poor her, boo-hoo, that's why they sent her.
She really doesn't deserve the flak she got (even though I regettably gave her some myself too, earlier).
In general, I think it's fair to say, though, that the playerbase is experiencing a major communication disconnect. And, sorry to say, one way or the other, the Community Managers play a part in there too, somewhere.
In the STO forums, even the messenger is accountable for the words of there masters. :P
Trendy is more than just a messenger: she's Community Manager. Her job (among other things, no doubt) it to liaison between PWE and the community. Aka, relaying to us what's going on, and informing PWE/Cryptic as to what the issues in the community are.
When they just need a messenger, they use the Q account.
Since all of the other Devs went on vacation or are in hiding, she is the only person associated with this disaster that we have ANY means of communicating with.
It does speak volumes on how chickensh*t the Devs are to send her out as cannonfodder, but if she's the only person that we have been able to voice our umbrage at, then so be it.
As far as I'm concerned, Cryptic should just declare this whole Delta Rising thing to be officially fubar. They should do one huge rollback to LoR and have all of our characters find themselves on a holodeck, where Barclay comes in to apologize for this malfunctioning holo-novel about the Delta quadrant and says he'll have the Engineering Team get to work on it.
Since all of the other Devs went on vacation or are in hiding, she is the only person associated with this disaster that we have ANY means of communicating with.
It does speak volumes on how chickensh*t the Devs are to send her out as cannonfodder, but if she's the only person that we have been able to voice our umbrage at, then so be it.
As far as I'm concerned, Cryptic should just declare this whole Delta Rising thing to be officially fubar. They should do one huge rollback to LoR and have all of our characters find themselves on a holodeck, where Barclay comes in to apologize for this malfunctioning holo-novel about the Delta quadrant and says he'll have the Engineering Team get to work on it.
If by Engineering Team you mean Dev Team, no. They've already proven themselves incompetent and the last time D'Angelo was in charge things went south also. He's just an arrogant prick who doesn't listen to anyone but his own drivel. He's an overrated, insufferable tw@t with an overinflated opinion of his own worth, ideas and "direction".
Never in a million years did I think I'd say this but, I miss Stahl. Unfortunately he probably looked at the things to come and had the sense to get out while he could.
Do you honestly think that PWE management (bunch of middle aged Chinese, with communist party ties, sitting in Bejing and not giving a rat's behind for some stupid American SF franchise) has any interest in a dialogue?
You pay money on their terms or you GTFO, do you think this is some form of parliamentarism where you have say?
That is exactly why crowdsourcing and crowdfunding has taken off so massively. The people do get a say, the dev's do listen as they have an obligation to them directly.
Funny that the old guard are losing dollars and players hand over fist.
This is just an advance showing of what's to come unless they totally 180 their policy towards customers and the game itself.
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
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just keep that in mind.
I get my monthly pay check and live with it.
If I have too many bad calls to pass onto others which arent my fault I may consider working elsewhere.
Glad the gaming industry offers many many many better alternatives.
So trendy good you job you are doing, I feel ya.
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Trendy is one of two community mods.
Their job is to act as a link between the players and the devs, facilitating TWO-WAY conversation. Conversation that discusses changes to the game and how it is implemented.
If such constructive debate HAD occured we wouldn't be left with the s*1t-show that STO has become...
T-6 versus T-5U ship debacle
Ridiculous crafting system with RNG mods that lead to items with value that differs by orders of magnitude
Insane gear upgrade system that equates to daylight robbery in the dil/resource required to achieve rarity increases
Laughable attempt at difficult changes that has left all Queued events un-playable by the majority at
ADVANCED levelMind-numbing grind for level-increase/specialisation completion that keeps getting worse with every "fix"
So yer, actually I completely support all the raging that Trendy is getting. In my view it is not enough. If she and Smirk stopped p*ssing about making inane live-streams, posting garbage on social media sites and chatting mornically about f*#king bacon AND ACTUALLY DID THEIR JOB MANAGING THE COMMUNITY we wouldn't have a game that is going down the toilet.
...#LLAP...
Imagine how disappointed you would be as an environmental artist doing a fantastic job and then getting feedback like "DR is a failure. It's terrible. Never gonna play again." Just because somebody decided XP for completing missions or doing patrols should be reduced.
I urge everybody to be more moderate - and most importantly - more specific in your critique. DR is NOT a failure. Many aspects of it are fantastic! A few more tweaks and bugfixes together with some more missions can still turn this expansion into one of the best ever released.
If I go into the same restaurant I love for its great food regularly and suddenly come out with a turned stomach it may be that I have not noticed the new nice beautiful curtains in front of the kitchen door.
Endgame feels broke and 10 new missions or a handful of dev blogs dont change that and especially can't make up for it.
Looking for a fun PvE fleet? Join us at Omega Combat Division today.
Let's not, in the process of (rightfully) exonerating Trendy, shoot the message either, though. Which really needs to be heard. And this, erm, is really kind of the role of the Community Manager. Sorry. Between one dev hiding behind Q, the other behind Trendy, this is all getting very frustrating.
I can agree with this.
And if Cryptic/PWE is keeping the leash so tight that they're not even allowed to do this, that's just more rage that should be directed their way.
frankly i saw this coming for months now, i took no time to see through trendy and smirk and i knew something like this would happen, i felt they were not upto the challenge in the same way the previous one, branflakes used to be, thats what i thought at the time when introductions were made. never stated anything about it but when you know your bad yourself, you can spot it a mile off in others... it took me all of 10 seconds.
i got nothing against them but the way they have so far acted in their positions on this game leaves a lot to be desired and you get the above quoted as a way of defending the status quo. trendy and smirk work better in co and nwo, but it clearly not with sto, thats not entirely a bad thing, it just means that their talents are now more obvious and they can be harnessed better on those games, get another community manager in to full time on sto and occasionally on the other two if needed. but thats upto whoever it is who runs that part of the operation what, who and where if they wish to do such a thing.
sometimes the best form of feedback is the stinging negative feedback, sometimes it hurts and it was fully meant to. best thing to avoid it is by learning to not do it again and find another way around the issue. in this case it was the responsibility of the community officer to deliver the information in a way that is deserving of it, a lot of people feel that the value of how it was handled was very poor, obviously the forum community is up in arms over it, but thats only a few percent of the playerbase, so a more clearer picture from social trollworking sites and such could offer a better picture of what they think of how it was handled.
one can always find a positive in a negative, dont just see the negative for what its not.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
they stopped giving a damn about the game a long time ago,
now they proudly show off they give a damn about their players too.
of course its our fault if we grind exp while literally every other
thing in game is unplayable broken or boring as hell/not worth the effort.
no sympathy from me for any of these guys.
theyre bad and do even worse work.
During the WW1 Adolf Hiltler was only a messenger too. We got the WW2 because no one has shot him during the WW1.
You just lost the Internetz. Silly man!
Seriously? This post takes the Internet Darwin Award...
She is a Cryptic employee, let her take flak for the garbage her company peddles, she does it of her own free will and is paid for it.
Oh noes, poor her, boo-hoo, that's why they sent her.
Can we start discussing with developers and directors? Then we can rage against the right persons.
Should Trendy and Smirk be relaying our grievances? Yes, but not take flak themselves unless they aren't doing their job of course, but I imagine they probably are.
Do you honestly think that PWE management (bunch of middle aged Chinese, with communist party ties, sitting in Bejing and not giving a rat's behind for some stupid American SF franchise) has any interest in a dialogue?
You pay money on their terms or you GTFO, do you think this is some form of parliamentarism where you have say?
Duh... It would take balls to actually take time to listen to your clients. He does not have to read. Let cryptic form a user council. People that can summarise the sentiments of the player base every now and again. That come with suggestions and ideas.
Actually, now that I think about it, similar like professional companies that have client summits.
Sigh... Yes and if George Washington was never born America would still be a British colony... :rolleyes:
She really doesn't deserve the flak she got (even though I regettably gave her some myself too, earlier).
In general, I think it's fair to say, though, that the playerbase is experiencing a major communication disconnect. And, sorry to say, one way or the other, the Community Managers play a part in there too, somewhere.
Trendy is more than just a messenger: she's Community Manager. Her job (among other things, no doubt) it to liaison between PWE and the community. Aka, relaying to us what's going on, and informing PWE/Cryptic as to what the issues in the community are.
When they just need a messenger, they use the Q account.
Since all of the other Devs went on vacation or are in hiding, she is the only person associated with this disaster that we have ANY means of communicating with.
It does speak volumes on how chickensh*t the Devs are to send her out as cannonfodder, but if she's the only person that we have been able to voice our umbrage at, then so be it.
As far as I'm concerned, Cryptic should just declare this whole Delta Rising thing to be officially fubar. They should do one huge rollback to LoR and have all of our characters find themselves on a holodeck, where Barclay comes in to apologize for this malfunctioning holo-novel about the Delta quadrant and says he'll have the Engineering Team get to work on it.
If by Engineering Team you mean Dev Team, no. They've already proven themselves incompetent and the last time D'Angelo was in charge things went south also. He's just an arrogant prick who doesn't listen to anyone but his own drivel. He's an overrated, insufferable tw@t with an overinflated opinion of his own worth, ideas and "direction".
Never in a million years did I think I'd say this but, I miss Stahl. Unfortunately he probably looked at the things to come and had the sense to get out while he could.
That is exactly why crowdsourcing and crowdfunding has taken off so massively. The people do get a say, the dev's do listen as they have an obligation to them directly.
Funny that the old guard are losing dollars and players hand over fist.
This is just an advance showing of what's to come unless they totally 180 their policy towards customers and the game itself.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."