The Klingon's just recently witnessed a large chunk of their high counsel rendered non-existant by an Iconian's hand wave..... and the old order Romulans erradicated their entire home world. These are not the people you're used to. Sure they may be a bit hot headed.... but I never believed either the Romulans or Klingons are idiots. The alliance is far more than a piece of paper.
I never called them idiots. As for the Iconian hand wave....That would get the Klingons raging for war even more. Maybe not with the Federation, because like I said I never called them idiots. They can see where their true threat lies. But going into the Delta Quadrant and essentially behaving the same way a Fed Captain would when dealing in Diplomatic matters..Sorry. Youre not going to convince me that over night the Klingons have learned to be exceptional Diplomats. They are a Warrior Race. Youre not going to see a Klingon Diplomat sitting in the Captains chair of a Bird of Prey.
The Romulans are the only ones that could possibly be shown to behave different in some manner from the Romulan Star Empire we've all come to know. Since their set up is that of a more Progressive Democratic society. But they are still Romulans. They arent going to turn their backs on everything that makes them Romulans in less then 30 years. And after all theyve been through. Clinging to some of what makes them Romulan would be expected. Its what helps people get through rough times. They can still be shown to have issues trusting a newcomer or a new contact. Romulans are after all inherently paranoid. Doesnt matter if their RR or RSE.
I never called them idiots. As for the Iconian hand wave....That would get the Klingons raging for war even more. Maybe not with the Federation, because like I said I never called them idiots. They can see where their true threat lies. But going into the Delta Quadrant and essentially behaving the same way a Fed Captain would when dealing in Diplomatic matters..Sorry. Youre not going to convince me that over night the Klingons have learned to be exceptional Diplomats. They are a Warrior Race. Youre not going to see a Klingon Diplomat sitting in the Captains chair of a Bird of Prey.
The Romulans are the only ones that could possibly be shown to behave different in some manner from the Romulan Star Empire we've all come to know. Since their set up is that of a more Progressive Democratic society. But they are still Romulans. They arent going to turn their backs on everything that makes them Romulans in less then 30 years. And after all theyve been through. Clinging to some of what makes them Romulan would be expected. Its what helps people get through rough times. They can still be shown to have issues trusting a newcomer or a new contact. Romulans are after all inherently paranoid. Doesnt matter if their RR or RSE.
Sure, they are not going to be exceptional diplomats... hell in one mission subterfuge is used to gain allies. The point being they are not going to be running gunz blazin' everywhere killing off all potential allies..... they will be attempted to gain ones; which is what the alliance is trying to do.
By claiming that Klingons and Romulans are subject to Planet of Hats, you are indeed calling them idiots. TRIBBLE, trying to fight everything and kill everyone runs contrary to one of the Klingon proverbs from the shows: "Only a fool fights in a burning house."
Why are Humans allowed all sorts of motivations, from high-minded altruism through underhanded cleverness to racist bloodthirstiness, but Klingons and Romulans all have to have the same personalities? Admiral K'tang isn't out to subjugate and kill everyone else - he's seen how well that worked out for the Empire, which is now overshadowed by the Federation and not even able to openly defeat the Republic. Instead, he's doing his best to show the galaxy that there are some Klingons who still remember what a warrior's honor is supposed to be worth. And if that means making nice with someone clearly his inferior, well, if they have his word then they have his word. Even if he has to hold his nose.
Starfleet and the KDF share a common foe, but the hostilities between our two Empires has not ended and will not be a thing of the past simply because of a slight of hand. Everywhere I watch starfleet skipping across their little peaceful and civilized but warmongering vessels taking over territory that should belong to the Klingon Empire, my blood boils. Everytime I see starfleet using property that KDF warriors worked hard for to obtain, my blood boils.
I shall fight the Iconians by myself if I have to, but I will damned if I have to ally myself with dishonorable starfleet.
My crew are clearly bad guys. My bridge officers are a borg, a breen, assorted naussicans and letheans. All in black. My main looks like a klingon version of Lobo with an eye patch. I like to think of my ship as a 1% biker bar in space. So yeah, when I come accross a mission where I'm expected to be diplomatic or help talaxian refugees or some junk it does kind of break the immersion for me. But does that mean that Cryptic owes me a expansion for bad guys only? Then you'll have this forum crawling with feds crying over all the puppies and kittens they've been forced to devour. Just like PVP is driven by players - you must turn to the foundry for missions tailored to your predilictions. Or make your own
For instance ***shameless plug*** why not check out the KDF foundry series On the Edge of an Empire ?
Klingon negotiating team shows up to "negotiate" a settlement between to warring star systems:
Klingon team give them 3 options;
Option 1. "What a nice little war you have here.. nothing like the possibility of really getting killed to add some spice to life! Lets see if we can keep this nice and low scale, with out overly disrupting the system economy.. After all it'll drive research and development, while allowing the more aggressive members of your society an outlet." Or,,,,
Option 2. You will stop fighting each other now or the Klingon Empire will come in and pacify BOTH your star systems by systematic near orbit bombardment and destruction of all industrial, and infrastructure loci. I promise you will both be a little to busy to be fighting each other.
Option 3. Obliterate to planetary seats of both star system governments from orbit, and check back in a couple weeks with the new governments as the war will be over.
Smile a lot, showing teeth, a lot while presenting options 2 and 3, make sure its very clear that for the negotiating teams THESE are the preferred options. Either way the current war gets ended.
The Federation my not be happy with the process, but the KDF negotiators will get results.
And unlike star fleet, the KDF doesn't have muddled policies.
The only time I felt 'Romulan' when playing through Delta Rising was when I got chewed out by seven in one of the last episodes after blowing up an ally.
Heck, they give you some sneaky Romulan NPC's to work with, including one who is ex-Tal Shiar, but when they talk about their sneaky-sneaky plans, you don't have any choice but to voice your concerns about their ethics.
There needs to be more opportunities to choose deceptive, agrressive and imperialistic choices. We have Klingons attacking civilian freighters and selling their passengers into slavery with the Orions. Why on Earth would they be concerned about what happens to some annoying Talaxians?
In fact, I'd say there isn't enough opportunity to disagree with the NPCs in Delta Rising, period. We're high ranking commanders, ostensibly with the rank to command entire fleets of ships (yet only do so in the final mission), taking orders from subliutennants and captains etc. I can imagine Klingons or Romulans reacting violently to things like the Benthans 'deputizing' you, or the Turei acting like...the Turei, but there just isn't the bredth of options that there should be to accommodate Romulan or KDF players.
The only time I felt 'Romulan' when playing through Delta Rising was when I got chewed out by seven in one of the last episodes after blowing up an ally.
Heck, they give you some sneaky Romulan NPC's to work with, including one who is ex-Tal Shiar, but when they talk about their sneaky-sneaky plans, you don't have any choice but to voice your concerns about their ethics.
Because you are a Republic Romulan not a Tal Shiar stooge Romulan.
As a Federation player, I do also have a "bad" side and a gut feelings about different races. My first reaction is not always "peace" even as a Federation captain, so I believe that peace should not be our only option when going through missions.
I could have avoided the disaster on Neelix's asteroid if I had more control over our destiny.
Because you are a Republic Romulan not a Tal Shiar stooge Romulan.
Did you not read my post? One of the mission contacts *is* ex-Tal Shiar and has some decidedly... Imperial Romulan ways in which she gets stuff done. she gets to act like an Imperial Romulan as much as she wants, the player character? Not so much.
Besides, it's not as though acting like a Romulan from the actual shows makes you suddenly an Iconian stooge. the vast majority of Romulans seen on the shows were military, not Tal Shiar.
The Romulans that you wish to play as don't exist as a playable option for a reason, if you've been paying attention at all to the story. Just because you've seen them acting that way always on screen doesn't mean that they're all like that. Look at how D'Tan reacted to Captain Picard and Spock. Did he feel they were inferior to himself? No. These Romulans are the ones that the Empire has been telling them to act so and so for years. They don't want that anymore, but they don't want to do the same to others.
The Romulans that you want to play as are currently being manipulated by the Iconians. Either man up and face it, or find another game.
Exactly, however...
Being given the ability to choose "I.R.W." as your RRF ship's name prefix DOES seem to allude to an attempt to cater somewhat to an RSE RP style.
I just don't understand why the other issues here that could be just as easily fixed with a simple line of text seem to be such a problem to implement.
Seriously, half of the players in STO could write this text right off of the top of thir heads.
Ive been Klingon since the Orginal Beta. Regardless of the unforgivable take on Romulans, much of the content is not Klingon appropriate either. There is no honor in being a liberated borg or reanimated corpse.
I may be wrong, since I've only been playing STO since 2012, but I do not believe the Klingons were added to STO until PvP was introduced. Which wasn't part of the Beta, IIRC. So how could you have been playing a Klingon in STO before there were Klingons in STO?
Makes the rest of your statements highly suspect.
Yes.
I was in-game one week before the live launch, thanks to the One Week Early Access for new Lifetime Subscriptions sale that they had, and I'm pretty sure I remember that there was not a KDF faction at one point around the live launch, but the KDF faction was later put back in along with some other minor changes.
I think it was in the Season 1.2 release, but I could be mistaken...It may have been sooner.
My Klingon has no problems with either. Once the proper wake has been held, a warrior's body is no longer important. The Warrior has gone to Sto'vo'kor. The body is an empty shell. If you bury it, nature will find a way to reuse it for new life. The Kobali may not be nature at work in the strictest sense, of course, but they still achieve a similar end goal - and bringing new life into the world is never a dishonour - of course, that new life must then prove itself and be judged on its own merits.
And liberated Borg are in a difficult position - they have lived as a drone, a creature without any honor or freedom of will. A good warriors duty is to restore his honour, and forming a community to liberate more Borg from a life without honour and meaning seems a very reasonable way to do it.
Exactly, or...Being a Liberated Borg could be seen as honorable because it shows that you are such a dominate warrior, that even DEATH cannot stop you; it can only slow you down until the Empire's Reinforcements show up to fight beside their brother/sister.
I never called them idiots. As for the Iconian hand wave....That would get the Klingons raging for war even more. Maybe not with the Federation, because like I said I never called them idiots. They can see where their true threat lies. But going into the Delta Quadrant and essentially behaving the same way a Fed Captain would when dealing in Diplomatic matters..Sorry. Youre not going to convince me that over night the Klingons have learned to be exceptional Diplomats. They are a Warrior Race. Youre not going to see a Klingon Diplomat sitting in the Captains chair of a Bird of Prey.
The Romulans are the only ones that could possibly be shown to behave different in some manner from the Romulan Star Empire we've all come to know. Since their set up is that of a more Progressive Democratic society. But they are still Romulans. They arent going to turn their backs on everything that makes them Romulans in less then 30 years. And after all theyve been through. Clinging to some of what makes them Romulan would be expected. Its what helps people get through rough times. They can still be shown to have issues trusting a newcomer or a new contact. Romulans are after all inherently paranoid. Doesnt matter if their RR or RSE.
Jarok?
He didn't seem "inherently paranoid" to me, and he was pretty much Tal Shiar at the time.
His...daughter, I think...is in this game as well, and mentions his positive view of Starfleet at least a couple of times.
He actually straight out trusted Janeway & here crew to give him a fair chance.
You're just being prejudiced against an entire species.
Not very Trek of you, since one overlying message in Trek is to teach us to NOT be like that.
See, I can pick ONE member of a species to base all of my opinions on as a fact, as well.
Every member of a species is NOT the same.
In this vein, I'd like to just say that almost ALL of these problems in this thread could be erased by simply writing a bit of text somewhat differently.
If RRF & KDF are going to be pushed into a UFP type story, just give us a dialog choice that comes across as such while still preserving the missions as intnded; it's not that hard.
Example: I agree that the only good Borg is a dead Borg. Some of my allies do not. I cannot risk losing strong allies to pacify a weaker prospect.
After all, some of the "Captains" answers are even longer than THAT in Delta Rising.
Also someone in here said something about never seeing a Klingon Diplomat in the Captain's Seat?
Are you oblivious to the existence of Worf, whom can be quite diplomatic, and is actually ABOVE a Captain, in that he is a General?
"Join Date: Jun 2012" Says Cryptic's "new" forum system. I've been here since a week before launch, but SOME stuff just didn't carry over through multiple system changes/updates. :rolleyes:
Jarok?
He didn't seem "inherently paranoid" to me, and he was pretty much Tal Shiar at the time.
His...daughter, I think...is in this game as well, and mentions his positive view of Starfleet at least a couple of times.
He actually straight out trusted Janeway & here crew to give him a fair chance.
Umm thats incorrect, Admiral Jarok was aboard the Enterprise D claiming he wanted to stop a potential war between his people and the federation for his family and his people in general. (After he got saved by the enterpise while being chased by a romulan heavy warbird).
Comander Jarok is his daughter.
Also he was obviously not Tal'shiar, he got saved by picard and ended up being tricked and betrayed by his own people in which because it turned out they tricked him and made him a traitor he took his own life.
So inother words Jarok wanted peace, the type of "peace" dtan's repubic has with the other factions which is why comander jarok says just that towards the end of the last FE before delta rising.
No any REAL Klingon would commit suicide rather than live out their life as a "liberated" Borg. Most all Klingons would shun them as we do cripples and the infirm. There is no place in Klingon society for Liberated Drones. The shame of being assimilated in the first place is enough to make any Klingon commit Hegh'bat. Romulans would likely dissect or experiment on Drones.
I'm still not clear why we are even fighting the Vaudwaar. Aside from them being aggressive with some people we have known for like 5 minutes, there is no reason for Klingons or Romulans to concern themselves. What do we care if Kobali Prime falls?
This is all Starfleet's war and we are just along for the ride.
So you admit youve never seen Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Cause if you had. Youd of known they most definitely did an episode covering what it was like on a Klingon Bird of Prey.
They may have never committed an entire series to it. But they did more then enough to reflect what it was like to be a KDF Warrior. More then enough to let you know that the way the game plays out in DR and other areas of the game for KDF and Romulans does not reflect what Klingons and Romulans would do had it been a series or movie.
Yes.
I was in-game one week before the live launch, thanks to the One Week Early Access for new Lifetime Subscriptions sale that they had, and I'm pretty sure I remember that there was not a KDF faction at one point around the live launch, but the KDF faction was later put back in along with some other minor changes.
I think it was in the Season 1.2 release, but I could be mistaken...It may have been sooner.
Wrong. KDF were in the game from the start. They were sold as a PvP Faction and you had to 'unlock' them by playing a certain amount of Fed Gameplay. It caused quite an uproar and set the KDF Faction back indefinitely. That side of the game is still struggling when it comes to numbers.
As for the re-introduction of the KDF. That was later in the game when they wanted to redo the Tutorial for the KDF and they forced players to skip 25 whole levels because of the serious lack of PvE content.
Heck, they give you some sneaky Romulan NPC's to work with, including one who is ex-Tal Shiar, but when they talk about their sneaky-sneaky plans, you don't have any choice but to voice your concerns about their ethics.
And, for maximum irony, Real Starfleet players don't get to do anything more than "voice their concerns" - to complete the mission, they still have to go along with the deception. Truly a middle ground that pleases no one. :rolleyes:
(I had to skip that entire patrol bundle, as there was no way to complete that one mission while remaining true to Federation ideals.)
Starfleet is the only faction the Delta Quadrant has any exposure to. Janeway was (for better or for worse... mostly worse) their only first impression of what the Alpha/Beta Quadrants consist of. They have no idea what a Klingon or a Romulan is.
Also, the Romulans do not have a treaty with the Hirogen as a whole. The Romulan Star Empire had a treaty with some of the Hirogen hunters to use their territories as hunting ground. That treaty is likely up in the air after Empress Sela's disappearance.
what about the Klingon battle cruiser that that voyager ran into that had been traveling for 2 generations? and is not colonized and entire planet full of Klingons by now. you really think no other species has ventured to that planet or that they had not gotten bored and found a way off that rock ?
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
Starfleet is the only faction the Delta Quadrant has any exposure to. Janeway was (for better or for worse... mostly worse) their only first impression of what the Alpha/Beta Quadrants consist of. They have no idea what a Klingon or a Romulan is.
Also, the Romulans do not have a treaty with the Hirogen as a whole. The Romulan Star Empire had a treaty with some of the Hirogen hunters to use their territories as hunting ground. That treaty is likely up in the air after Empress Sela's disappearance.
and what about the vaadwaur who know of Klingons because they read about them in voyagers data base. not to mention what ever other species may have had access to the same information. normally you have a good argument but this one i believe you failed.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
when they introduced other species it stopped being about starfleet its about crews interacting. starfleet is just one of the characters to move the story along. the tv shows and movies were not called starfleet. star trek a journey through the stars. hell one series didnt even have starfleet until a the last episode . ( ENTERPRISE ) so starfleet is not the primary charector even is just a supporting cast member.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
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I never called them idiots. As for the Iconian hand wave....That would get the Klingons raging for war even more. Maybe not with the Federation, because like I said I never called them idiots. They can see where their true threat lies. But going into the Delta Quadrant and essentially behaving the same way a Fed Captain would when dealing in Diplomatic matters..Sorry. Youre not going to convince me that over night the Klingons have learned to be exceptional Diplomats. They are a Warrior Race. Youre not going to see a Klingon Diplomat sitting in the Captains chair of a Bird of Prey.
The Romulans are the only ones that could possibly be shown to behave different in some manner from the Romulan Star Empire we've all come to know. Since their set up is that of a more Progressive Democratic society. But they are still Romulans. They arent going to turn their backs on everything that makes them Romulans in less then 30 years. And after all theyve been through. Clinging to some of what makes them Romulan would be expected. Its what helps people get through rough times. They can still be shown to have issues trusting a newcomer or a new contact. Romulans are after all inherently paranoid. Doesnt matter if their RR or RSE.
Well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DM0pOmClOg
Sure, they are not going to be exceptional diplomats... hell in one mission subterfuge is used to gain allies. The point being they are not going to be running gunz blazin' everywhere killing off all potential allies..... they will be attempted to gain ones; which is what the alliance is trying to do.
Why are Humans allowed all sorts of motivations, from high-minded altruism through underhanded cleverness to racist bloodthirstiness, but Klingons and Romulans all have to have the same personalities? Admiral K'tang isn't out to subjugate and kill everyone else - he's seen how well that worked out for the Empire, which is now overshadowed by the Federation and not even able to openly defeat the Republic. Instead, he's doing his best to show the galaxy that there are some Klingons who still remember what a warrior's honor is supposed to be worth. And if that means making nice with someone clearly his inferior, well, if they have his word then they have his word. Even if he has to hold his nose.
Anyone remember Gorkon?
Anyone remember Jarok?
Actual join date: Open beta, 2009ish.
How many Star Trek TV series have their been that focused on a Romulan Empire or Republic or Klingon Defense Force crew?
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Lots of them... For example there is...
I mean...
How about Star Trek : Kli... wait... right...
Ummm....
OH... there was... no...
Dude... Obviously Star trek Voya... no... ummm...
Right... none...
My crew are clearly bad guys. My bridge officers are a borg, a breen, assorted naussicans and letheans. All in black. My main looks like a klingon version of Lobo with an eye patch. I like to think of my ship as a 1% biker bar in space. So yeah, when I come accross a mission where I'm expected to be diplomatic or help talaxian refugees or some junk it does kind of break the immersion for me. But does that mean that Cryptic owes me a expansion for bad guys only? Then you'll have this forum crawling with feds crying over all the puppies and kittens they've been forced to devour. Just like PVP is driven by players - you must turn to the foundry for missions tailored to your predilictions. Or make your own
For instance ***shameless plug*** why not check out the KDF foundry series On the Edge of an Empire ?
Klingon team give them 3 options;
Option 1. "What a nice little war you have here.. nothing like the possibility of really getting killed to add some spice to life! Lets see if we can keep this nice and low scale, with out overly disrupting the system economy.. After all it'll drive research and development, while allowing the more aggressive members of your society an outlet." Or,,,,
Option 2. You will stop fighting each other now or the Klingon Empire will come in and pacify BOTH your star systems by systematic near orbit bombardment and destruction of all industrial, and infrastructure loci. I promise you will both be a little to busy to be fighting each other.
Option 3. Obliterate to planetary seats of both star system governments from orbit, and check back in a couple weeks with the new governments as the war will be over.
Smile a lot, showing teeth, a lot while presenting options 2 and 3, make sure its very clear that for the negotiating teams THESE are the preferred options. Either way the current war gets ended.
The Federation my not be happy with the process, but the KDF negotiators will get results.
And unlike star fleet, the KDF doesn't have muddled policies.
Heck, they give you some sneaky Romulan NPC's to work with, including one who is ex-Tal Shiar, but when they talk about their sneaky-sneaky plans, you don't have any choice but to voice your concerns about their ethics.
There needs to be more opportunities to choose deceptive, agrressive and imperialistic choices. We have Klingons attacking civilian freighters and selling their passengers into slavery with the Orions. Why on Earth would they be concerned about what happens to some annoying Talaxians?
In fact, I'd say there isn't enough opportunity to disagree with the NPCs in Delta Rising, period. We're high ranking commanders, ostensibly with the rank to command entire fleets of ships (yet only do so in the final mission), taking orders from subliutennants and captains etc. I can imagine Klingons or Romulans reacting violently to things like the Benthans 'deputizing' you, or the Turei acting like...the Turei, but there just isn't the bredth of options that there should be to accommodate Romulan or KDF players.
Because you are a Republic Romulan not a Tal Shiar stooge Romulan.
I could have avoided the disaster on Neelix's asteroid if I had more control over our destiny.
Besides, it's not as though acting like a Romulan from the actual shows makes you suddenly an Iconian stooge. the vast majority of Romulans seen on the shows were military, not Tal Shiar.
--Red Annorax
Exactly, however...
Being given the ability to choose "I.R.W." as your RRF ship's name prefix DOES seem to allude to an attempt to cater somewhat to an RSE RP style.
I just don't understand why the other issues here that could be just as easily fixed with a simple line of text seem to be such a problem to implement.
Seriously, half of the players in STO could write this text right off of the top of thir heads.
Yes.
I was in-game one week before the live launch, thanks to the One Week Early Access for new Lifetime Subscriptions sale that they had, and I'm pretty sure I remember that there was not a KDF faction at one point around the live launch, but the KDF faction was later put back in along with some other minor changes.
I think it was in the Season 1.2 release, but I could be mistaken...It may have been sooner.
Exactly, or...Being a Liberated Borg could be seen as honorable because it shows that you are such a dominate warrior, that even DEATH cannot stop you; it can only slow you down until the Empire's Reinforcements show up to fight beside their brother/sister.
Again, being able to use "I.R.W." as your RRF ships' name prefix DOES suggest this concept as being intended to be supported by the game.
Jarok?
He didn't seem "inherently paranoid" to me, and he was pretty much Tal Shiar at the time.
His...daughter, I think...is in this game as well, and mentions his positive view of Starfleet at least a couple of times.
He actually straight out trusted Janeway & here crew to give him a fair chance.
You're just being prejudiced against an entire species.
Not very Trek of you, since one overlying message in Trek is to teach us to NOT be like that.
See, I can pick ONE member of a species to base all of my opinions on as a fact, as well.
Every member of a species is NOT the same.
In this vein, I'd like to just say that almost ALL of these problems in this thread could be erased by simply writing a bit of text somewhat differently.
If RRF & KDF are going to be pushed into a UFP type story, just give us a dialog choice that comes across as such while still preserving the missions as intnded; it's not that hard.
Example: I agree that the only good Borg is a dead Borg. Some of my allies do not. I cannot risk losing strong allies to pacify a weaker prospect.
After all, some of the "Captains" answers are even longer than THAT in Delta Rising.
Also someone in here said something about never seeing a Klingon Diplomat in the Captain's Seat?
Are you oblivious to the existence of Worf, whom can be quite diplomatic, and is actually ABOVE a Captain, in that he is a General?
Umm thats incorrect, Admiral Jarok was aboard the Enterprise D claiming he wanted to stop a potential war between his people and the federation for his family and his people in general. (After he got saved by the enterpise while being chased by a romulan heavy warbird).
Comander Jarok is his daughter.
Also he was obviously not Tal'shiar, he got saved by picard and ended up being tricked and betrayed by his own people in which because it turned out they tricked him and made him a traitor he took his own life.
So inother words Jarok wanted peace, the type of "peace" dtan's repubic has with the other factions which is why comander jarok says just that towards the end of the last FE before delta rising.
No any REAL Klingon would commit suicide rather than live out their life as a "liberated" Borg. Most all Klingons would shun them as we do cripples and the infirm. There is no place in Klingon society for Liberated Drones. The shame of being assimilated in the first place is enough to make any Klingon commit Hegh'bat. Romulans would likely dissect or experiment on Drones.
I'm still not clear why we are even fighting the Vaudwaar. Aside from them being aggressive with some people we have known for like 5 minutes, there is no reason for Klingons or Romulans to concern themselves. What do we care if Kobali Prime falls?
This is all Starfleet's war and we are just along for the ride.
So you admit youve never seen Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Cause if you had. Youd of known they most definitely did an episode covering what it was like on a Klingon Bird of Prey.
They may have never committed an entire series to it. But they did more then enough to reflect what it was like to be a KDF Warrior. More then enough to let you know that the way the game plays out in DR and other areas of the game for KDF and Romulans does not reflect what Klingons and Romulans would do had it been a series or movie.
Wrong. KDF were in the game from the start. They were sold as a PvP Faction and you had to 'unlock' them by playing a certain amount of Fed Gameplay. It caused quite an uproar and set the KDF Faction back indefinitely. That side of the game is still struggling when it comes to numbers.
As for the re-introduction of the KDF. That was later in the game when they wanted to redo the Tutorial for the KDF and they forced players to skip 25 whole levels because of the serious lack of PvE content.
And, for maximum irony, Real Starfleet players don't get to do anything more than "voice their concerns" - to complete the mission, they still have to go along with the deception. Truly a middle ground that pleases no one. :rolleyes:
(I had to skip that entire patrol bundle, as there was no way to complete that one mission while remaining true to Federation ideals.)
what about the Klingon battle cruiser that that voyager ran into that had been traveling for 2 generations? and is not colonized and entire planet full of Klingons by now. you really think no other species has ventured to that planet or that they had not gotten bored and found a way off that rock ?
and what about the vaadwaur who know of Klingons because they read about them in voyagers data base. not to mention what ever other species may have had access to the same information. normally you have a good argument but this one i believe you failed.
when they introduced other species it stopped being about starfleet its about crews interacting. starfleet is just one of the characters to move the story along. the tv shows and movies were not called starfleet. star trek a journey through the stars. hell one series didnt even have starfleet until a the last episode . ( ENTERPRISE ) so starfleet is not the primary charector even is just a supporting cast member.
you foled to his argument like a cheap cardassian suite. grow a spine warrior.
he may be part of the republic but if he is allied with the Klignon Empire he is still within rights to be upset at this treatment.
what peace treaty is binding upon the Empire as of now? all i recall at this time is a cease fire. two entirely different things.