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trwarbuck
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Today (10/04/2014) I put $20.00 on my PWE account for STO. I wanted to up grade so of my consoles and weapons. This is what happened
I bought Green upgrade tokens for this. The upgrade was from Very rare Mk XIII to Ultra rare Mk XIII. It took going through the 100% process three times (paying dilithium to speed it up) in order to acomplish the upgrade from MkXIII Very rare to MkXIII Ultra rare and this was for 3 consoles and two weapons. I other words I paid 3 times the amount in upgrade tokens and dilihtium to accomplish this upgrade.
I'm really feeling cheated here. I mean 100% means that what I had to allocate to the project was paid for.
I figure 2% per upgrade token and 700 dilithium to speed it up per allocated token. So that is 600 (approximate) green upgrades and 42000 dilithium (approximate).
I would really like to get what I was CHEATED out of back. I should only have to pay 100%not 300% to accomplish an upgrade.
I also transferred 16,000 dilihtium in addition to the $20.00
I bought Green upgrade tokens for this. The upgrade was from Very rare Mk XIII to Ultra rare Mk XIII. It took going through the 100% process three times (paying dilithium to speed it up) in order to acomplish the upgrade from MkXIII Very rare to MkXIII Ultra rare and this was for 3 consoles and two weapons. I other words I paid 3 times the amount in upgrade tokens and dilihtium to accomplish this upgrade.
I'm really feeling cheated here. I mean 100% means that what I had to allocate to the project was paid for.
I figure 2% per upgrade token and 700 dilithium to speed it up per allocated token. So that is 600 (approximate) green upgrades and 42000 dilithium (approximate).
I would really like to get what I was CHEATED out of back. I should only have to pay 100%not 300% to accomplish an upgrade.
I also transferred 16,000 dilihtium in addition to the $20.00
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Rarity upgrades are chance-based; you know this, right?! But yeah, rarity increases are the grestest Dilithium sinks ever. I had to go thru several full 100% cycles on all my current ship's items, to get em all to Mk XIII Ultra Rare. And I was lucky even, that UR already kicked in at ca. 20% chance, on average. And I still was 1.2 mil Dilithium poorer because of it.
That's your problem right there... You should be using the Superior Tokens which provide 12.8k of Tech Points (and 1k dilithium per token used), as opposed to the 2k Tech Points (if I remember correctly) of the tokens you were using...
Then there's also the fact you rush-bought the project time... Would have been wiser up upgrade to Mk XIII and then just plink away at it over time... Ultra Rare quality is not that huge an improvement...
All that money you spent, you could have used to buy and sell Master Keys, in order to buy the Superior Tokens which (the last time I looked) started at 400-450k EC each on the exchange...
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OP: You didn't get ripped off. You didn't look into the best way to go about what you accomplished. Imruined is absolutely correct, and is not the first person to say the exact same thing here in the forums.
You leapt before you looked. Take Personal Responsibility for your actions and stop trying to blame it on anyone else. Even the Big Cryptic Overlords.
Found the problem!!! You ripped yourself off.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Nowhere near the definition of rip-off, because this system isn't promising anything but increases in stats (which it does by all accounts, big or small), and chances of more.
That's my take on it. Likely won't use it myself for quite awhile, but it's not required anyway
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
gotta love people that blame their lack of thinking a project through on others and cry when it does not work to their expectations.
You "ripped" yourself off here buddy get over it.
I learned a few things from it as well. But I didn't fuss how the game ripped me off. And I only upgraded a few items. So yes during that lessons are learned as its a new system. My mistake was over the upgrading my warp core. Now I understand the upgrading better. Mine was similar to yours. However you went way farther than I would have done. So you only did it to yourself. To me if I don't see a decent increase. Then I won't bother upgrading as it won't be worth it. That is what I learned on the warp core upgrade. I didn't look at the stats.
Bottom line, you make a mistake. And now to do better next go around. We all make mistakes, so stop blaming others for your mistakes.
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lol "cheap" mk 13 purple beam arrays are 6.5 mil each, if i wanted to fit 6 beam arrays on a 4/4 ship that would cost me 39 mil EC. I will pass.
Improved Tech, for 5k XP, goes for 60-90k EC, vs. 350-550k for Superior Tech, good for 12.8k. That makes Improved Tech ca. 2.5x more economical, EC-wise; but, on the downside, costs 2x as much Dilithium to get the same result.
I agree in part, but the vast disparity of TP per dilithium spent between the different qualities makes the Basic Tech Upgrades ridiculous. Sure, the OP could've gone and read the Tribble Feedack or the posts under the GNN about the Upgrade System... but even then it is kind of sad that you need to do that in order the make the system anywhere near reasonable. The Basic Tech Upgrades at this point are very close to trolling...
That's an incredibly wide disparity in dilithium cost between Upgrade types... one partially supported by the difficulty of obtaining several of the Very Rare materials needed to make certain Superior Upgrades, but still ridiculous.
As far as partly agreeing that the OP ripped themself off... all that information is available on a chart made up by a few of our fellow forum denizens. Just remember, any time a new system is added it will probably be require learning about it the hard way or learning about if from others that are trying to save you the frustration. The Tribble threads are your friend.
whats so special about this so called game to have to spends thousands of hard cash each year?
why not spend the cash for some real goodies instead of a few digital dots? this game has not a true value to justify the immense costs!
if sto would sell real stuff they would be brought to court every day. lol
As I once mentioned in a thread earlier this week, Superior Upgrades and better save you Dil in the long run, but in fast-forwarding like that, you don't gather up enough Crit Points gathered up to make an Ultra-Violet item pop out at the end. When using just greens it's vice-versa.
Just wait until the whining when STO shuts its servers down for good. Every MMO will close down eventually. With a real product, it will exist until I throw it out, but with a virtual product it only exists as long as the company wants it to exist. So when STO sees its last day, all those items you bought in the C-Store will no longer exist.
And overpriced/minimal only goes so far as the opinion; it's not a fact. So no, I don't think you can call it a rip-off, but to each their own
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
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Have to completely agree. For some reason though and we've seen it in other titles too, there are a number of players who can't seem to see the problem with these programs being extremely terrible deals, they feel the need to use big words like "personal responsibility" when really developers are not your friends and these systems have only one purpose, to gauge the playerbase. I've seen this behavior in three other game titles so far. GW2, Wildstar, and Archeage.
When did the playerbase of mmo's suddenly lose the ability to know when they are being taken advantage of I wonder?
Question... How is any of this 'gouging the playerbase'? I see no reason why upgrading equipment will require a single zen being spent on it...
Yes, it requires dilithium, but so does Reputation & Fleet Gear amongst other things...
I still don't see this notion that upgrading gear is somehow ripping money off players...
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