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Clarification: Starfleet Intelligence ≠ Section 31
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Starfleet Intelligence is a perfectly above-board intelligence gathering and monitoring agency with a publicly acknowledged presence within Starfleet and the Federation; analogous to British MI5 or American CIA. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_Intelligence)
Section 31 is a clandestine black ops group that doesn't officially exist, and has no official presence anywhere; whereas they likely have agents in Starfleet Intelligence, they are not part of the official remit of the organisation. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Section_31)
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Section 31 is a clandestine black ops group that doesn't officially exist, and has no official presence anywhere; whereas they likely have agents in Starfleet Intelligence, they are not part of the official remit of the organisation. (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Section_31)
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And I'm quite sure that if section 31 did indeed have "representation" within SFI, that it would be purely in the interest of Starfleets safety and security.
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An intelligence officer is a person employed by an organization to collect, compile and/or analyze information (known as intelligence) which is of use to that organization.
Most likely the two will work, even unknowingly, hand-in-hand. Furthermore, it would not surprise me that both have double agents from each within their ranks.
That's only a matter of principles. The Tal Shiar is a recognized part of the Romulan military (and therefore is analogous to Starfleet Intelligence.)
Section 31, on the other hand, is not. You can bet the mode of operation is none the less going to involve espionage and subterfuge but at a different level/scale than the Tal Shiar (for one, the latter has access to independent fleets.)
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However I'm hoping for a little more interaction with Section 31 moving forward.
The only real difference between the Tal Shiar and Section 31 is the Tal Shiar operate in full view and stand for their (albeit twisted) beliefs.
Section 31 prefer to remain in the shadows as to shift the blame onto others as part of their game.
But soup to nuts, they are more alike than dissimilar.
Yeah.... regardless of his rank I would never fully trust him. This is a man who abandone dhis Starfleet training for personal vengeance and only re-joined Starfleet out of necessity for survival rather than a sense of duty.
He is Maquis and he will ALWAYS be Maquis.
S.I agents, are not necessarily the same as Intelligence Officers, while both work for Starfleet in an official capacity , S.I agents work is covert, and non disclosed , Intelligence Officers on the other hand are Uniformed Starfleet personel, such as the few Black Striped NPC officers in the major Space Stations
But of course, anyone can be a Section 31 asset, The player character, assuming they have completed certain Mission chains helping Drake, however unwilling, is an asset of Section 31 just like Bashir, but thats all you are to them, a disposable asset, the agents are rare, few and valuable.
The other major difference being that the Tal Shiar are also the Empire's secret police, charged with enforcing political compliance. Section 31 is not, and neither is Starfleet Intelligence for that matter.
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I hope that sums up any questions you have concerning what role they will play in your crew (oh and if anyone ever tells you he's a "secret agent" please feel free to laugh in their face, he's most certainly not).
Might explain why we can't act like Captain Kirk, they are taking all the green women!
Well exactly, There a lot of improper use of titles, Assets, Handlers, Agents and Intelligence Officers, and they aren't used in the same way accross all agencies, I think a little confuision is understandable and forgivable
Apples ad oranges.
The Maquis were a terrorist organisation bent on seeking vengeance and spreading discord by using guerrilla tactics to achieve their goals. They can call themselves revolutionaries or whatever they choose, but in the end they were just thugs and terrorists.
Had the Val Jean not been swept into the Delta Quadrant with the Voyager he would not have changed his ways and probably would have caused much more damage.
Thats the problem with freedom fighters. They always fight for what THEY believe is right, whether or not it truly is and regardless of who get skilled in the process.
It was a shame, sure, that these colonists happened to reside on a planet that was in contested territory. Yes, I can not find fault with them for being angry and upset over this and sure, when a people are oppressed the first thing they want is to fight back. But they chose their battles poorly and their tactics even more so.
The Maquis is/was an organisation that will do whatever they feel is in their best interests. Chakotay was very influential in this organisation.
TRIBBLE soldiers did horrific things because they were led to believe it was right and just. They fought with pride against an enemy they felt was stealing their lands and heritage from them, bent and misshapen because they were led to believe they were protecting their people and country. Yet a TRIBBLE who flees to America out of desperation and leads a peaceful life is still a TRIBBLE. I doubt you'd find any willing to accept them as a commanding officer of significant rank.
A significant element of the story I think
It showed how the Federation was all to happy to abandon a minority interest group in order to Bargain for a little extra peacetime.
I'd be pretty angry if the Wonderful Federation threw me and my family Under the metaphorical Bus in order to barter some temporary peace.
Not angry enough to fight for some land, thats foolish in my opinion, Land is land, the people around you make it home, But I'd still be pretty annoyed at being relocated
The Bajoras were fighting against an occupation. This is true. However, it was their war to fight.
I agree that if Bajor was allied with the Federation during the occupation the Feds would have intervened. But that wasn't the case; they were un der control of the Cardassian Union. The Federation was unable to interfere, as the Prime Directive forbade it; the occupation was considered an internal matter between Cardassia and a subject race.
The best the Feds could do without sparking an all-out war was apply political pressure which is exactly what they did and what, I might add, led to the overthrowing of the Cardassian control of Bajor.
Being sympathetic to their cause is one thing, but taking up arms s another thing entirely. If we abandoned our own laws and Directives on a whim then what business do we have attempting to unite others under those laws which are now just empty words and promises?
When it comes down to the bare nuts: Chakotay can never be fully trusted to put the needs of the Federation first and, therefore, should not be in a position of rank and influence ESPECIALLY in control of intelligence. Whos to say he wont feel sympathetic to another skirmish beyond Federation control and fall back to old habits, abusing his authority and manipulating intelligence briefs with the intent of involving the Federation in a war they have no business being in?
I would eagerly side with Section 31 on this. He is more of a threat to the Federation than an asset.
(PS: This is fun... already new foundry ideas are sprnging to mind...
Because if there's one thing the Federation doesn't believe in, it's rehabilitation, right?
The Maquis, actually, were mostly made up of mix of disgruntled Federation colonists, (over the fact that the planet they settled on was a contested world that was ultimately given up in the hopes of peaceful negotiation with the Cardassians) AWOL Starfleet officers, and various Bajoran groups that kept fighting after the Cardassians withdrew from Bajor.
Rehibilitation only succeeds if the individual feels it is in their own best interests.
HOW was any of that the Federation's fault? For not involving themselves militarily? They couldnt unless they decided to toss away their beloved Prime Directive. If they did, it would make it, and everything the Federation stands for, A LIE.
The Bajorans were facing a hostile occupation by a race whom they invited to coexist on their planet. Neither party were a member of the Federation and therefore NO military action could be taken without sparking an all-out war. The Federation remains blameless in all of that. It was THEIR fight and their fight alone.
However, some individuals took it upon themselves to get involved as mercenaries. Not only this, but they attempted to turn the fire towards the Federation an in effort to force involvement. This is the definition of terrorism and guerrilla tactics. Borderline treason.
But we are just supposed to forgive and forget, give him a shiny set of brass and complete control over the most sensitive information regarding the Federation and her allies?
I dont think so.
The Federation signed their colony worlds over to the Cardassians, and tried to forcibly relocate the colonists.
I don't know if you know much history, but this sort of thing tends to have consequences.
They do not serve in their violation, to keep the Federation safe.
Their sole mandate is to protect humanity, not their allies of the non-human variety, from any threat internally and external.
Please note * from TV references and some fan films*, has been human in appearance.
*No knowing if novels has presented a change in the status quo*
You are accurately describing their origins, but Sloan on DS9 made it clear that while their "organization" dated back to "the original Starfleet charter" (later revealed to be the Earth Starfleet charter), the current mandate of S31 was to protect the entire Federation.
Kudos on the proper use of ≠. Also on the clarification, though I'm sure the subtle difference will be lost on most people,..
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
Population transfer, or forced migration, was a very peaceful means of resolving conflicts during times of civil war. A transferred family can rebuild their homes, re-plant their fields and continue with life in relative peace. A family which refuses to leave during a hostile occupation and is subsequently killed can achieve none of these. The logic, therefore, is clear.
The Federation did what was needed to avoid a war which would have cost MILLIONS of lives. Colonists were given the option to be peacefully relocated or remain and fend for themselves - no one was forced to choose.
Those who chose to remain did so of their own desire. What followed was in no way the Federations fault. They did what they deemed right for the safety and preservation of the colonists.
And the difference between them and Will Smith is that he makes it look good.