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eldest13
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I have an engineering caotain that just hit VA. Now should I get the Vesta for him because I like the look and the powers. Or should I stick with a crusier, if so, then which one?
Thanks in advance.:D
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(Probably the best cstore ship besides the Scimitars)
If you want to min-max it's easily outclassed.
Just a superb ships.
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The caveat: I specifically stated 'currently available' because with the second expansion to STO coming up, Tier 6 ships are going to be introduced. Right now, we've no real idea just what a T6 ship is, so you may want to hold off and see what they're like. We've got vague promises of T5 ships being upgradable to something 'competitive' yet not 'the same' as a T6 ship, by my understanding. What that means has not been explained in any detail as yet.
So if you don't mind waiting a bit, it might be worth seeing what the T6 choices are going to look like. Otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Vesta.
Just putting that out there.
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A Brilliant ship, arguably the best Sci ship in the game and still in the age of crazy Lockbox ships capable of holding it's own it truly live up to it's Multi Mission description.
But in 2 months we get a whole new tier of ships. Will there be a 3 pack of great new T6 ships that will dominate the game? We don't know. Will the Vesta still be worth flying then? We don't know.
So I look at it like this, Is 2500 Zen worth it for 2 months?
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I'd still more tempted to use a cruiser or battle cruiser on an engineering captain, for better all-around tanking, though. If you decide to save and wait for Delta Rising, the freebie Assault Cruiser for hitting level 40 (or the ugly mirror variant if you've already used the token), or the Mirror Heavy Cruiser if you want a bit of Science abilities to toy around with. Avenger can put out a fair bit of hurt while still being pretty tanky, even if it is a bit ugly, if you decide to spend Zen.
Multidimensional Wave-Function Analysis Module from the Rademaker is perfect for that. It gives immunity to the slow debuff and it reflects the kinetic damage back.
Even after the T6 starships are released the Vesta will still be a good ship and I believe it can be upgraded (by crafting???) to be competitive with a T6 starship. However, a T6 ship is supposed to have abilities that are unique to those starship which cannot be obtained through upgrades.
No prices have been released yet, but 3,000 Zen for a T6 ship is not out of the question. Though it would be nice of the T6 starships only cost 2,500 while the current line of C-Store starships prices drop accordingly.
I think when Delta Rising is released, the various T6 starships and Delta Rising bundles will be discounted for a short period of time to entice people into opening their wallets.
But as much as it pains me to agree with everyone else I would be a bit hesitant to pick one up with x2 ~8 weeks off. Though if you want to get one don't let the hive mind deter you. I am not convinced that T6 ships will be all that much better, nor will the upgrade path to T5.997 for older ships leave that much of a performance gap.
T6 ships might do the same to Vesta, best to wait and see
As mentioned before its one huge weakness is its hull hp. You end up using a lot of boff skills, traits and flying skills trying to plug this Achilles heel. Shield by-passing direct damage and dots are usually what kill you. You have to be careful in Borg elite stfs (Cure, Khitomer, and definately Hive) as one mis-step and you'll be re-spawning. The trick is to not draw too much aggro, -threat embassy consoles help here.
I have not looked closely at the announcement, but when you say Tier 6, you mean Tier 6 for the starbase? So since everyone is at Tier 5, won't it take quite a bit of time before most people are going to have access to Tier 6 ships? Even if you have all the resources stockpiled, the game adds artificial time constraints to drag this out even longer.
No, they did announce full T6 ships, not bases or holdings etc. They never even talked about bases and holdings as far as I know. But since then no further word has been spoken about them, so nobody knows WTH they are exactly.
They are supposed to have "unique abilities" only "real" T6 have access to as opposed to our current T5 ships that will be upgradeable to be "competitive", whatever that's supposed to mean. Cryptic's infos so far were... well....cryptic...
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Actually works OK against the ruptures and puddles in the Undine Battlezone too, it seems. I had been running just the QFFP deflector phaser and the AoE heal console, but bolted on the purple bubble MFAM console and the immunity to slow helps get out of the puddles and ruptures, not as fast as say Attack Pattern Omega, Emergency Power to engines or Hazard Emitters in combo with Evasive Maneuvers (this last one is what I had been using primarily to escape) -- probably due to the negative repel of the rupture proper. I usually click it back off as soon as I'm out, though, as the extra transparency effects lower STO's framerate even further. Actually helps my survivability better than the slab of Neutronium it replaced.
It's simply that good, in my view, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.
I love mine and I rarely ever swap any of my Science captains to another ship. As pointed out, the 'gimmick' consoles are actually some of the most useful in the game and the set bonuses are awesome.
If you're in a hurry, the chroniton-enhanced slipstream bonus will easily carry you from one end of a sector block to another, even the larger sector blocks.
You may want to replace the default runabouts in the hangar bay with something better, though I've made do with them. They're excellent for dealing with pet swarms and the tractor beams help if you're building around Gravity Well, but they don't add much damage and they tend to kaboom fast.
If you're a min-maxer and kills are your priority, you can probably do better in a Tac-optimized ship. But the Vesta is a great all-around support ship, nimble, adaptable, and the best sci ship for soloing in. I've never flown one with an Engineering captain so I can't tell you how well it will work for you, but I've never had a moment of buyer's remorse.
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That said, I love the look of the Tac Vesta (the other two are nice too & their lore). It's like an ancient nautical vessel. Beautiful lines and colors, imho, AND it certainly deserves its own super futuristic unique bridge (please, Cryptic)! So, I often fly around in my Vesta for fun, but not for excellence. I can only recommend it on these grounds, unless someone here can whisper to me the secret of Vestaing. Because all that matters in STO is sheer, annihilative power.
Don't compare it to an Excelsior. The excelsior is not a Science Vessel. It allows completely different build and abilities than a Vesta or any other Science Vessel.
What other Science Vessels have you used and think are far better than the Vesta?
Because if you only compare to the Excelsior, the verdict you have is not "Vesta sucks" but "Science Vessels suck". And I am not saying that's wrong (in comparison). But I just suspect that someone that gets interested in the Vesta is actually after a Science Vessel, and the Excelsior can be 100 times as good as a Vesta, it's not an SV.
Compared to most other SVs, the only weakness the Vesta has is a slightly lower hull. But I find that (compared to other SVs) completely irrelevant. In exchange, you have Aux Cannons, a pretty good set of console powers, more flexible BO seating, and a hangar bay.
Of course, what no one really knows is if investing in a Tier 5 ship now is a good idea considering the potential of Tier 6 ships in Expansion 2. We don't know what it will cost to get to Tier 6, if it's actually viable or just the devs think it's viable.
I like the fact that I can run 3 sci boffs on a sci vessel.
I just did!
Everything you said is exactly right.
However, my personal SV preference is the billowy, rugged, yet noble Nebula. An elegantly grotesque vessel from a perhaps over-civilized time. As dignified as its Galaxy component design lineage, but configured like a pouncing scorpion combined with a tortoise, a colossal squatting space toad, shameless flaunting its absurd virtues among the stars! It's not better than the Vesta in almost every respect, but I can tank better with it, and simultaneously pay my respects to TNG's baroque spandex ochre utopianism. Beat that.
My build is for fun and in no way optimized for any one strategy (other than using the best gear available to me that is). Getting first place in the Crystaline Entity is not an uncommon feat for me so it seems pretty competitive to me! Of course the CE is unique in that non-damage contributions help your placement, but even in PUG Borg STFs I'll place pretty well according to others who use combat parsers.
An all around enjoyable ship if you want to break away from that 'Pure DPS' mentality.
EDIT: As others have suggested however, I would wait on the purchase 'til X2 comes out. If there's a new ship with similar capabilities and better stats why not save your money and buy it instead of a Vesta?
And indeed, I was, and am, somewhat tempted to buy a Scimitar for my Romulan characters. Just not tempted enough to spring $50 on the 3 pack, so far.
But it's useless for me to consider a Scimitar for my Federation Science captains. And in PvE, I generally don't need to bring anything more than my Vesta. A Nebula, with it's cruiser-like turn rate, would tend to feel very unsatisfying to me. Doesn't fit my normal playstyle. I'd only fly one if I want to shake things up.
For the same reason, I don't like putting Science captains in cruisers. But I'd probably consider it more favorably now that cruisers have been given the cruiser commands, if I'm flying support for a team.
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All true, and a good point. I'd like to see more PvEs that explicitly reward non-dps contributions.
Sorry man you're comparing apples to oranges if you're comparing an Excelsior to a Vesta. One does one job, the other does another.
Put it to you this way. Excelsior is HORRIBLE for crowd control. All it can really do is take a pounding while spamming FAW and A2B. Vesta can do SO much more. It can control crowds with high level gravity wells so escorts can go around in killing sprees. It can use aux cannons so you can throw all your power to aux to empower said science abilities and run high damage numbers with the aux cannons.
Granted you won't necessarily win any damage contests, but you'll pull your fair share.
Sorry your analysis is flawed from the outset.
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