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NCC-74656; USS Voyager (Delta Rising)
flash525
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This didn't occur to me until earlier, though it since has, and I feel the need to discuss it.
Delta Rising is set in 2410; 32 years after Voyager returned home (Endgame was 2378). Voyager was also a new ship at the beginning of the show, so by 2410 she's been in space for 39 years. Wouldn't Voyager have been retired by now?
She came back from the Delta Quadrant with all that technology and borg upgrades, only to be put back into use? You'd think Starfleet would have stripped the vessel of the technology and then placed the ship in a Federation Museum to encourage younger cadets and inspire them.
Unless I'm mistaken, in 2410, Tuvok is in command of Voyager; the very ship that'll be heading Delta Rising. My question is, why? In 39 years wouldn't it be realistic to think that, firstly, Voyager would no longer be operable, and secondly, Tuvok may have chosen a different ship? I know this is just a game, but (short of the fandom) I can't quite understand why there is need for us to see, and Tuvok to command Voyager.
On a related note, Harry Kim is turning up in the Rhode Island, but unlike the Intrepid Class (which will be a big feature) the Rhode Island (another potential big feature) isn't getting an update. Whilst I'm sure many people can live without a Rhode Island interior, surely it wouldn't be too big a request to bring the Nova/Rhode Island model up to scratch with the new Intrepid one?
Delta Rising is set in 2410; 32 years after Voyager returned home (Endgame was 2378). Voyager was also a new ship at the beginning of the show, so by 2410 she's been in space for 39 years. Wouldn't Voyager have been retired by now?
She came back from the Delta Quadrant with all that technology and borg upgrades, only to be put back into use? You'd think Starfleet would have stripped the vessel of the technology and then placed the ship in a Federation Museum to encourage younger cadets and inspire them.
Unless I'm mistaken, in 2410, Tuvok is in command of Voyager; the very ship that'll be heading Delta Rising. My question is, why? In 39 years wouldn't it be realistic to think that, firstly, Voyager would no longer be operable, and secondly, Tuvok may have chosen a different ship? I know this is just a game, but (short of the fandom) I can't quite understand why there is need for us to see, and Tuvok to command Voyager.
On a related note, Harry Kim is turning up in the Rhode Island, but unlike the Intrepid Class (which will be a big feature) the Rhode Island (another potential big feature) isn't getting an update. Whilst I'm sure many people can live without a Rhode Island interior, surely it wouldn't be too big a request to bring the Nova/Rhode Island model up to scratch with the new Intrepid one?
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I don't know if there are similar statements to the Intrepid class life-cycle, but I could totally see it also having a 5, 10 or 20 year mission time and multiple decade long life-cycle.
The Voyager probably saw several refits, but there isn't really a need to take it apart completely to inspect the Borg modifications. And 32 years is a long time to inspect any modifications. Considering how quick Starfleet officers tend to be with analyzing new stuff, I figure this inspection was completed in less than a year. Why throw the Voyager away now?
In a rational, realistic universe, maybe. But this is Star Trek, so...nah.
No. Star Fleet Vessels are designed to be adaptable via upgrades and have a standard service life of 100 years with routine maintenance and several overhauls. Only reason to retire a ship is that it no longer serves a purpose, the reason it was needed has vanished, or the design is outdated by new ships coming on line.
Given everything that has gone on since her return, Star Fleet simply can't let a ship like that be dismantled or turned in to a museum. According to the story, Star Fleet needs every ship they can reactivate and bring up to minimum combat status. She can still perform her role as designed.
Otherwise, the Oberth, Miranda, and Constitution would have been made scrap long ago due to them being 'outdated'.
Given that the Borg technology had become fully integrated in some of Voyagers key systems, and improving them, I doubt the technology would have been removed. Especially since Borg Tech seems to go inert without a central node to operate it. And with Seven being there, she could explain in detail and provide schematics for the items in question for the Engineers (where do you think our Assimilated Adapted Tech came from).
As for it being turned in to a Museum, it would become a training vessel first for new Cadets to train on.
Most of the other crew from Voyager has moved on to other assignments or retired, and being an Admiral, he can choose his own Flagship.
Another reason to send Voyager is that to the Delta Quadrant Species/Empires/Civilizations, she represents their First Contact with the United Federation of Planets and Star Fleet. It's usually a good idea to send a ship, led by a member of a crew they formerly dealt with, to continue/renew good relations or open new dialogue attempts. And as a Vulcan, Tuvok is very good in that role, even for a Tactical Officer.
With the re-introduction of Harry Kim, the Rhode Island may end up getting an update. Nothing is confirmed one way or the other. The only reason why the Intrepid is getting a bridge update is because the story is focusing on that ship and Tuvok. And I have a feeling that our characters may end up on her bridge with the new FE for Delta Rising. So, it makes sense to do the update from that standpoint.
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Not only would Voyager likely still be in service by 2410, its likely the Intrepid class it's self would still be in production.
that being said.. I do agree that in all likely hood, voyager would be a museum.. like they stated in the few times someone came back from the future.. cryptic using voyager seems to be stepping over line a little.. they should have had tuvok in command of another intrepid.. he could have had dialogue saying he loved the class of vessel or something..
but we are getting a proper intrepid bridge and interior, so I wont complain too much.. lol..
but, to all the nay sayers who say the galaxy and other vessels designed in the shows would not be up to par in this time line.. well, it was said on screen (for the galaxy at least) that it was designed with refitting in mind, that it was designed to keep up with the times and have an extended life.. it is why they put so many resources into it.. I would assume the nebula is the same, as well as anything built after it.
also, im so sick of hearing people say x ship is too old.. its technology, stuff can be upgraded.. sure, eventually a space frame will wear down, but with tng forward ships, im gonna guess that they have only extended the life of said space frames.. and its as simple as refitting. case and point.. when riker took command of the Excalibur during the klink civil war, it was undergoing a refit.. I doubt they just added spas for the crew and a new kitchen.. I bet when it was done with its refit, it was updated to all of the tech available at the time (weapons, shields, sensors, the works).
The RI made its appearance in "Endgame", the last VOY episode. The RI appearance in the episode occurs in an alternate reality, in 2404. There does not appear to be a canon date for the launch of the RI, so as far as we know she just launched very recently. All this is notwithstanding the fact that technically, from a canon perspective, the RI (just like the Olympic and the Gal-X) does not actually HAVE to happen in the prime universe; all are from alternate timelines that were negated.
That or everyone who remembers it will be muttering along the lines of "oh ****, they're back."
Assuming the he Nova 'Rhode island' variant I]the U.S.S Rhode Island it's self[/I was launched in say, 2408-ish, it wouldn't be scheduled for a retrofit until 2433. Still a bit of a way before it's next tech retrofit.
Exactly. Consider how many enemies Janeway made. I'm not sure Voyager would be welcome in large parts of the Quadrant
The original enterprise was launched in 2245, Search for Spock was set in 2285. So enterprise was 40 years old, hence was to be decomissioned
The Intrepid class shouldn't be scheduled for decommission until at least 2471.
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http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/registries.htm
It's an interesting read. Just for fun.
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Or a newer ship that was renamed Rhode Island. The only reason say this is because their was a Defiant in the TOS era as well.
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No it's not, the registries mean nothing in Trek because they are all over the place, that would mean by your logic the Prometheus is older than Voyager, and the Galaxy class.
I think that it is highly possible the Nova entered active service before the Intrepid. The Rhode Island variant may just be that, a variant made in early production life, for whatever reason.
Even the Galaxy had a vairent well before it's scheduled 25 year retrofit during DS9.
- The USS Enterprise was scheduled for decommissioning in 2285, after a 40 year life of service, 3 refits and no less than 4 captains. The class itself underwent several more refits toward the beginning of the 24th century, before the class was finally retired at an undisclosed date.
- Miranda Class starships continue to be seen from Star Trek II through to at least the end of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Given their hull plating always harkens back to the construction methods of the late 23rd century (never seen with the "Aztec" style plating seen on the Galaxy class, or any other more modern hull textures) it is reasonable to assume that all of these Miranda Class starships were produced before the launch of the Ambassador Class. This implies that even the newest Miranda Class vessels are tipping close to a century. This is also under the assumption that these ships weren't all destroyed (How many times have you seen a Miranda Class or variant NOT blow up?)
- In the alternate future episode "All Good Things..." Admiral Riker was in command of a massively refitted Galaxy class starship. Given the year in the future parts of the episode as 2395, and the ship's commission year of 2364, the ship had less than 30 years in operation when "Starfleet tried to scrap her". The presumption behind this is less that the class was at the end of its service life, and more that the Flagship of the Federation was no longer a top-of-the-line ship. Starfleet more than likely wanted to reassign the nomenclature to a new starship from a class developed in the 2390s. Such a thing was done in 2293 to Captain Kirk and the Enterprise-A. After the Enterprise was decommissioned, its nomenclature was reassigned to a new Excelsior Class that was launched less than two years later.
- The Enterprise-E was still in service in 2408 (this information is conjecture) where it was presumed to be destroyed. This makes the ship 36 years old at the time of its loss, with no signs prevalent that the ship was close to the end of its life cycle.
- In the DS9 episode "The Visitor", the Defiant is still in operation during the later scenes of the episode, implying that the ship could have remained in service for over 50 years if it hadn't been facerolled by the Breen.
Just a few notable examples of starships with service cycles as long as, or longer than, Star Trek Online's USS Voyager.
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In all good things it WAS the Enterprise D as Generations never Happened in that timeline and no one had given Troi the Keys to the helm...
Maybe they just move the dedication plaque over to a newly built intrepid class ship and called it voyager, while they re-named the original voyager (weird alien tech interrogated into federation starship case study "474747.74656.Janeway's Fault" )
You know to keep the Starfleet rank and file happy while they dissect Voyager at a secret Section 31 facility....
Or they put the original in a museum after study and "re-dedicated" a fresh built Intrepid ship as Voyager...
wither one of those outcomes would be the NCC-74656-A unless they just renamed a ship and didnt keep the registry much like they did with the second Defiant.
(Also interested to see how they stand up to some of the Elite Force fan re-textures over the years. The Q3 engine aged incredibly well during it's lifespan.)
I prefer to think for the ship itself, she still ended up a museum piece just like during 'endgame's alternate timeline. Nothing about the future tech is all that much different from any countless other kinds of tech Voyager could have acquired given another 23 years traveling home.
Cannibalize her just the same, stick her in the Bay, and charge admission (kids 12 & under free). I cannot imagine after enduring the trip (trauma), that they'd turn around and send Voyager anywhere outside of Sol.
Now it's time for 'Full Circle' (not the books, I just think DeltaRising is a dumb name) so they pull her out of mothballs. Dust her off, give her a spit-shine, hand Tuvok the reins and away we go!
Voyager may lead this excursion, but she won't be doing the heavy lifting.
In regarding registry numbers and chronology, they have mostly been followed as chronological. Generally, the stragglers are due to mis-communication between Okuda and effects staff. As for the Prometheus, the Yamato, and the Zhukov, they are all known mis-communication registries that don't really poke holes in the chronological registry scheme. However, the chronological registry scheme is a modern Trek scheme, the TOS scheme followed something else.
No, it's not a reliable way to date a given vessel. But it's still a good rough indicator in many cases.