I was referring to the quote from TOS. You also failed to realize that the advisor's conclusion came after the show. Which means, the conclusion is NOT canon since it was not explained OR included. Memory Alpha might be the go-to place for Trek... BUT Trek itself over rules Memory Alpha. In trek, the ship went warp 13. IF it was on a different scale... wouldn't it have been explained to avoid a debate like this one? I would like to think so.
TOS was a different scale completely so your argument is null and void.
Sorry they didn't explain every detail in TNG in all episodes but they do have to fit things into an hour episode you know.
Certain things are based on logical assumptions. Yours are not. This isn't Star Wars.
I agree with you. The scales changed. The Galaxy X should still go faster. Otherwise Riker would have said warp 10 since there is no 13. And if STO is on the new scale than everyone should be going warp 13? I think. Either way there was an implied significance to the Galaxy X going warp 13. Whatever that translates into scale wise, it should still be faster. Otherwise you would be saying that the warp 13 is a fluke. Also, who said that warp 13 on the new scale still isn't faster than warp 10 on the old scale?
Your ship is going the correct speed - see bolded part.
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I said it before. It was implied that Riker's ship was going faster than a normal ship regardless of what scale he was using. If warp 13 is warp 9.999 etc etc... than the galaxy X has to exceed that. Its pretty simple. Otherwise, everybody is going warp 13 and that is not canon.
But we don't know what every other ship at that time period could do.
The Enterprise-D was slated to be decommissioned. For all we know it could have been 1 of the slower active Frontline ships in the fleet.
Yes. The Riker Enterprise D was not the only case of the galaxy X. Which means that it is more likely that it could, indeed, exceed the warp limit. Whatever that may be. which brings me back to the OP.
Well STO doesn't have an exponential scale at all so technically it is its own scale entirely. STO has a linear scale and is not canon at all. But then again neither is sector space and sector blocks at all.
True, there are a LOT of non-canon thing sin STO. But is it too much to ask that the Galaxy X be canon? Its a pretty iconic ship.
Did you happen to see the 1000 page "Cryptic what's your Beef with the Galaxy" thread?
No.... and I think it didn't result in much. Given where we are now. All I ask for is 1 of 2 things. Faster sector space travel and a glowing third nacelle. That's not much to ask for is it?
Look - TOS Warp Scale is different to TNG/DS9/VOY Warp Scale, which in turn is different to the Gal-X's alternate future's Warp Scale.
They all measure the same quantity, the velocity of a warp-capable Starship, just like a the velocity of a car can be measured in miles per hour, kilometres per hour, metres per second, or my personally preferred telegraph poles per second.
They all measure a distance, and the time taken to cover that distance, whether it is Warp Drive or an ordinary car of today. In fact, you could measure starship speed in miles per hour - practically however it is a very, very bad idea simply because we are dealing with tens of millions of miles per hour even for a slow Star Trek ship.
This is very basic physics, and if you still do not understand it I implore you to return to school and catch up on what you've missed.
Look - TOS Warp Scale is different to TNG/DS9/VOY Warp Scale, which in turn is different to the Gal-X's alternate future's Warp Scale.
They all measure the same quantity, the velocity of a warp-capable Starship, just like a the velocity of a car can be measured in miles per hour, kilometres per hour, metres per second, or my personally preferred telegraph poles per second.
They all measure a distance, and the time taken to cover that distance, whether it is Warp Drive or an ordinary car of today. In fact, you could measure starship speed in miles per hour - practically however it is a very, very bad idea simply because we are dealing with tens of millions of miles per hour even for a slow Star Trek ship.
This is very basic physics, and if you still do not understand it I implore you to return to school and catch up on what you've missed.
I didn't come to the forums for a physics lesson. I'm already in school thank you. You should only be annoyed at yourself for attempting to explain something, in detail, unnecessarily. Like I said(I've said that too much) I want the galaxy X to be canon. There's no point in explaining the scale to me when STO doesn't even use it. Also, I don't take too kindly to your implication that I wouldn't be able to understand. I understand, I just don't care. I don't need to understand, in detail, to know that the ship is not canon and where it is not canon. Whether you think it's canon or not is your opinion. My point is, the Galaxy X is suppose to be an advanced version of the Galaxy. Lore says that the third nacelle is what allows the ship to travel at excessive warp speeds. Whether or not that fits into your "understanding" of trek is YOUR issue. I will leave it at that.
Im more than aware of Cryptic's incompetence. I just hoped that their would be some people willing to back me up.
Thank you for reinforcing the fact that the problem with Star Trek are people like you. I see why Al Riviera treats the community like dip****s. You try having a job, listening to your bosses and all the while making your customers happy.
I work in these kind of conditions and I really detest people like you. I have made nasty post like this before but in retrospect it was because I had that mob mentality I finally broke myself of.
Calling someone incompetent at their job over an f'n warp scale is rather immature. Grow up and get out of you momma's basement.
Keep up the excellent work Cryptic, any other company would not be able to do any better.
Thank you for reinforcing the fact that the problem with Star Trek are people like you. I see why Al Riviera treats the community like dip****s. You try having a job, listening to your bosses and all the while making your customers happy.
I work in these kind of conditions and I really detest people like you. I have made nasty post like this before but in retrospect it was because I had that mob mentality I finally broke myself of.
Calling someone incompetent at their job over an f'n warp scale is rather immature. Grow up and get out of you momma's basement.
Keep up the excellent work Cryptic, any other company would not be able to do any better.
Wow.... its not JUST the warp scale that makes them incompetent. That just happens to be the only thing relative to this thread. If you want to be blind to the reality that is Star Trek Online.... go ahead. But don't point fingers at other people when you can't take it. The rest of us have toughened up after years of dealing with their shortsightedness. I've gotten out of my "momma's basement", have you?
As a father of 2 boys yes I'm obviously out of "my mothers basement" and have been since I was 18. I work my body to fatigue to support my family. These guys and gals at Cryptic practically do the same thing.
Most things that need fixing willl be fixed when they can back track. I have the same issues at my job.
To be honest if you can do better than the employees at Cryptic then why don't you submit your resume and get hired on. You would be dealing with the exact situation they are dealing with in their day to day work rutine.
I fail to see why people cry over freaking pixels anymore. Their are much more important things in the world to complain about than someone TRIBBLE up your freaking fantasy world. Dear lord unplug and gets some sun or something. I standby my current statement I made about the devs and the good job they are doing to the best of their ability. Its a Free-to-Play game after all.
I didn't come to the forums for a physics lesson. I'm already in school thank you. You should only be annoyed at yourself for attempting to explain something, in detail, unnecessarily. Like I said(I've said that too much) I want the galaxy X to be canon. There's no point in explaining the scale to me when STO doesn't even use it. Also, I don't take too kindly to your implication that I wouldn't be able to understand. I understand, I just don't care. I don't need to understand, in detail, to know that the ship is not canon and where it is not canon. Whether you think it's canon or not is your opinion. My point is, the Galaxy X is suppose to be an advanced version of the Galaxy. Lore says that the third nacelle is what allows the ship to travel at excessive warp speeds. Whether or not that fits into your "understanding" of trek is YOUR issue. I will leave it at that.
So, in essence, you don't care you are wrong, you don't want to learn, and you cannot even accept someone trying to help you.
And you want us to think you are right? Fat chance of that. and, unlike every other time I've ever used sarcasm, I'll actually note it down as sarcasm. It's a historic moment.
If you want to say the Galaxy-X is not as fast as it is in canon, you need to be able to at least understand what speed is as a concept, and understand it in context. You, on the basis of your posts do neither, and I am not surprised you are in school as you should be.
As a father of 2 boys yes I'm obviously out of "my mothers basement" and have been since I was 18. I work my body to fatigue to support my family. These guys and gals at Cryptic practically do the same thing.
Most things that need fixing willl be fixed when they can back track. I have the same issues at my job.
To be honest if you can do better than the employees at Cryptic then why don't you submit your resume and get hired on. You would be dealing with the exact situation they are dealing with in their day to day work rutine.
I fail to see why people cry over freaking pixels anymore. Their are much more important things in the world to complain about than someone TRIBBLE up your freaking fantasy world. Dear lord unplug and gets some sun or something. I standby my current statement I made about the devs and the good job they are doing to the best of their ability. Its a Free-to-Play game after all.
If you honestly believe that... what are you doing on the forums at all? you obviously have a life. So go enjoy it. Don't try to be some saint just because you work hard. It's our job as players to tell the developers where they screwed up. How else are things suppose to be fixed? And its after years of things NOT being fixed that you get someone like me and MANY other players.
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My mistake, I had the years wrong. IF starfleet is still on the old scale, than my ship should definitely show warp 13.
I was referring to the quote from TOS. You also failed to realize that the advisor's conclusion came after the show. Which means, the conclusion is NOT canon since it was not explained OR included. Memory Alpha might be the go-to place for Trek... BUT Trek itself over rules Memory Alpha. In trek, the ship went warp 13. IF it was on a different scale... wouldn't it have been explained to avoid a debate like this one? I would like to think so.
Lets start again. What is the difference between miles per hour and metres per second.
Once you can understand that, then we can discuss this.
I don't want to understand the scale. I want my ship to go the correct speed. Going the same speed as everyone else is wrong.
Your ship is going the correct speed - see bolded part.
I said it before. It was implied that Riker's ship was going faster than a normal ship regardless of what scale he was using. If warp 13 is warp 9.999 etc etc... than the galaxy X has to exceed that. Its pretty simple. Otherwise, everybody is going warp 13 and that is not canon.
Yes. The Riker Enterprise D was not the only case of the galaxy X. Which means that it is more likely that it could, indeed, exceed the warp limit. Whatever that may be. which brings me back to the OP.
True, there are a LOT of non-canon thing sin STO. But is it too much to ask that the Galaxy X be canon? Its a pretty iconic ship.
Im more than aware of Cryptic's incompetence. I just hoped that their would be some people willing to back me up.
Look - TOS Warp Scale is different to TNG/DS9/VOY Warp Scale, which in turn is different to the Gal-X's alternate future's Warp Scale.
They all measure the same quantity, the velocity of a warp-capable Starship, just like a the velocity of a car can be measured in miles per hour, kilometres per hour, metres per second, or my personally preferred telegraph poles per second.
They all measure a distance, and the time taken to cover that distance, whether it is Warp Drive or an ordinary car of today. In fact, you could measure starship speed in miles per hour - practically however it is a very, very bad idea simply because we are dealing with tens of millions of miles per hour even for a slow Star Trek ship.
This is very basic physics, and if you still do not understand it I implore you to return to school and catch up on what you've missed.
Thank you for reinforcing the fact that the problem with Star Trek are people like you. I see why Al Riviera treats the community like dip****s. You try having a job, listening to your bosses and all the while making your customers happy.
I work in these kind of conditions and I really detest people like you. I have made nasty post like this before but in retrospect it was because I had that mob mentality I finally broke myself of.
Calling someone incompetent at their job over an f'n warp scale is rather immature. Grow up and get out of you momma's basement.
Keep up the excellent work Cryptic, any other company would not be able to do any better.
Wow.... its not JUST the warp scale that makes them incompetent. That just happens to be the only thing relative to this thread. If you want to be blind to the reality that is Star Trek Online.... go ahead. But don't point fingers at other people when you can't take it. The rest of us have toughened up after years of dealing with their shortsightedness. I've gotten out of my "momma's basement", have you?
Most things that need fixing willl be fixed when they can back track. I have the same issues at my job.
To be honest if you can do better than the employees at Cryptic then why don't you submit your resume and get hired on. You would be dealing with the exact situation they are dealing with in their day to day work rutine.
I fail to see why people cry over freaking pixels anymore. Their are much more important things in the world to complain about than someone TRIBBLE up your freaking fantasy world. Dear lord unplug and gets some sun or something. I standby my current statement I made about the devs and the good job they are doing to the best of their ability. Its a Free-to-Play game after all.
So, in essence, you don't care you are wrong, you don't want to learn, and you cannot even accept someone trying to help you.
And you want us to think you are right? Fat chance of that. and, unlike every other time I've ever used sarcasm, I'll actually note it down as sarcasm. It's a historic moment.
If you want to say the Galaxy-X is not as fast as it is in canon, you need to be able to at least understand what speed is as a concept, and understand it in context. You, on the basis of your posts do neither, and I am not surprised you are in school as you should be.
Until you can, you have no point.
If you honestly believe that... what are you doing on the forums at all? you obviously have a life. So go enjoy it. Don't try to be some saint just because you work hard. It's our job as players to tell the developers where they screwed up. How else are things suppose to be fixed? And its after years of things NOT being fixed that you get someone like me and MANY other players.