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khorvax
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Let's face it. This ship is a Dreadnought. The IKS Bortasqu herself is classified as one.
Even if she weren't, this thing still qualifies as a battleship.
Battle Cruisers are called such because they are cruiser hulls with battleship class weaponry.
This thing lets you pile on the biggest and heaviest guns in the game.
Heavy Cruisers are called such because they are armed as cruisers but are enjoying the added defense of enormous, battleship scale hulls.
This thing is bigger than most in game heavy cruisers, and enjoys an enormous amount of Hull points.
All unique model Dreadnoughts (that is to say, not just higher HP versions of normal battlecruisers or carriers) in the game seem to have some kind of frontal, spine mounted super weapon, with the exception of maybe the Balaur.
Obviously, the Bortasqu' has this as well.
What it also has is a somewhat difficult to use, and ordinarily useless Subspace Snare module. Nice for forcing a target in to the autocannon's firing arch but otherwise pointless.
While the Odyssey and the Scimitar both have deployable minions in the bees and the fighters, the Bortasqu has nothing. Both the Scimitar and the Galaxy-X, the faction equivalents of the Bortasqu', really, have flight decks.. yet the Klingon vessel does not.
It just seems like from every angle that I look at this, the Bortasqu' should have a single flight deck. Right now I notice that it struggles in competition with the Mogh for the same role. This would help set it apart and let it run interference.
....oh, also,
It would also be nice if my Bird of Prey cloaked when I did. It's sort of hard to sneak up on things when it's out right now.
Even if she weren't, this thing still qualifies as a battleship.
Battle Cruisers are called such because they are cruiser hulls with battleship class weaponry.
This thing lets you pile on the biggest and heaviest guns in the game.
Heavy Cruisers are called such because they are armed as cruisers but are enjoying the added defense of enormous, battleship scale hulls.
This thing is bigger than most in game heavy cruisers, and enjoys an enormous amount of Hull points.
All unique model Dreadnoughts (that is to say, not just higher HP versions of normal battlecruisers or carriers) in the game seem to have some kind of frontal, spine mounted super weapon, with the exception of maybe the Balaur.
Obviously, the Bortasqu' has this as well.
What it also has is a somewhat difficult to use, and ordinarily useless Subspace Snare module. Nice for forcing a target in to the autocannon's firing arch but otherwise pointless.
While the Odyssey and the Scimitar both have deployable minions in the bees and the fighters, the Bortasqu has nothing. Both the Scimitar and the Galaxy-X, the faction equivalents of the Bortasqu', really, have flight decks.. yet the Klingon vessel does not.
It just seems like from every angle that I look at this, the Bortasqu' should have a single flight deck. Right now I notice that it struggles in competition with the Mogh for the same role. This would help set it apart and let it run interference.
....oh, also,
It would also be nice if my Bird of Prey cloaked when I did. It's sort of hard to sneak up on things when it's out right now.
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The Bortasqu' Class is an battlecruiser, not a dreadnought. The thing is - Cryptic is all over the place with NPC ship designations that have nothing to do with player ships. They classify the Odyssey as dreadnought, the classify the Vo'Quv as a dreadnought and I've even see the Varanus being classified as a dreadnought in fleet actions. The NPC designations in this game have nothing to do with the player ships.
The Bortasqu' is a mighty fine ship. With the new SA, the Command one is a complete beast. I've been using mine for more than 2 years now, ever since they showed up.
Despite all the complatints over the years, all this ship ever needed is a good Captain.
I'm tired of all these lies and trickery with words... Don't resort to lying.
Increase shield mod to 1.1
Increase to the ship's turn rate, and don't hide it behind stupid consoles like what was done with the Galaxy "revamp."
Increase to Inertia.
Do this and you'll see the ship in much better light for the KDF playerbase.
I do not agree with "slapping a hangar on it and call it a day" that Cryptic thinks will fix everything.
I will agree that it would be nice if we could equip a single hangar that prohibited BOPs. I also agree that the BOP pet that separates should remain cloaked at all times out of combat unless the player enters red alert, at which point it decloaks and attacks.
Can of Worms: this hangar pet deploys clouds of genetically engineered gree-worms, designed to consume Ferengi rather than visa versa. In practice, these worms infest any ship passing through the worm cloud, damaging crew and increasing cooldowns of all bridge officer abilities for an extended duration. Obtainable through a special Ferengi-"flavored"
:P
On topic, the Bortasqu' class ships just aren't my style for a KDF ships. The diminished cloak, poor maneuverability, etc. just don't make it my preferred ship, but I do know some folks are happy with what it is. Any changes to it shouldn't kill the way it is flown now, since those of us preferring something more like the other KDF battlecruisers finally have the Mogh to play with. We have alternatives, while folks that actually like the Bortasqu' don't...
Fix the cloak, make the BoP less bird-brained, and toughen up the brick... that'd be just fine. Converting to an actual cruiser, since that's how it flies, maybe. Add a hangar and make it a dreadnought... I'm not sure folks would want to trade the Strategic Maneuvering that actually lets you line up for a hangar. The Cruiser Commands you get with a Battlecruiser are pretty handy, better than the Dreadnoughts and FDC's.
NO HANGER!:mad:
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What a load of nonsense.
Just because one *can* use cannons on it, doesn't mean one must (or even should). The bort is a beam pve boat through and through. Forget the consoles that come with the set, as usual those are just fancy looking baubles that really aren't that good. Just run the sci boart as an a2d, with an AP beam array setup.
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=engscibortwip_0 A build I was working on a while back, but never quite finished. I never was too sure what I could put into that last eng slot. Maybe another mine console?
Yes, they are useless. Just like pretty much every other special console that comes with a c-store boat. Congratulations on stating the obvious.
Crew is an irrelevant number in sto and it always has been. As far as I know, healing comes from boff abilities, captain powers (if an engineer), and equipment. The crew hull repair figure is so small in combat that it's virtually worthless. One last thing, crew does not affect boff, captain power or equipment heals.
That isn't saying much. The gimmick consoles on the oddy are just as worthless as those on any other boat. Yes, even the wholly unnecessary saucer separation.
While I can't deny that the shield mod of the bort is lower than the oddy, you seem to have misunderstoon the crew mechanic in game.
Indeed. It can be compensated for, but you're never going to set speed records with her.
It's one of those situations where the extra tac console draws more hate on you than you have the ability to handle-even using fleet consoles and mixed fleet/rep gear.
I did say that it wasn't a pvp boat. Guess you missed that part.
Oh yes, but unfortunately for the tork driver, the boff set up locks you in to one set up. The bort does have some flexibility in that regard.
As I said before, the crew heal thing is so small it can be ignored anyway. The crew numbers only affect the base regen rate and not the hull heals your boffs or equipment give. The only heal affected by active crew numbers is the regen, but that is only relevant when out of combat. In combat, it's instantly nuked down to sub 10% of it's out of combat rate. If you depend on that, you're going to die. Period.
As I said before, it's only $50 if you go full special person and buy all three as a pack. Something that you don't need to do and probably shouldn't do. Hell, if you really wanted you could dil grind for it.
I have already noted that it isn't really a pvp boat. Several times in fact. Not that it can't be done, but it would certainly be a lot harder than just plopping on a lazy a2b build onto a mogh.
Okay, so you think it sucks. Your loss.
You really haven't seen someone do anything with a bort have you? Where is DDIS when you need him?
Really? Really?
I spewed tea out of my nose reading half of this. PVE Beam Boat indeed.
I'm guessing very few have spent any real time doing most of the PVE missions, or you'd realize something.
Its all predictable. 100% easily predictable.
If you can't figure out where the next spawn of PVE damage sponges are going to come from and already be in position to CSV + Torp Spread. Well... wow.
At least the Bortasqu' looks very nice. Just the stats and consoles are killing it.
to add insult to injury, cryptics failure was propped up as a convenient excuse to leave the kdf behind and wait 2 years to release another ship. meanwhile romulan and feddie failures earn a hangar and a revamp.
i always try to talk people out of this ship. there really isnt any worse ship in the kdf lineup to buy.
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Then what we need is a " Whats your beef with the Bortasqu Cryptic?" thread.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 242658 (243540) Kinetic Damage (Critical) to you.
*cough* Failaxy *cough*
These days it's not quite so bad. Overpriced, for sure...and headed for the scrapheap along with everything else, perhaps. So these days, I'd talk people out of buying ANYTHING AT ALL.
All the Bort REALLY needs is a .5-1.0 increase in turn rate, .1-.2 shield mod increase, and a inertia of 25.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 242658 (243540) Kinetic Damage (Critical) to you.
I also support some basic upgrades to bring it more on par with other 10 console c-store ships that are supposed to be close to Fleet Ship level like increased shield modifier.
Frankly my Luxury Liner seems to be a more effective battle cruiser...
Yes, it could use some extra shield HP, but the ship is fine. There are better ships, and there are worse. Let's wait to see what the new expansion "upgrade to almost T6" brings to the table before going "doooom" again.
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Nobody is saying Doooom. Some people are addressing a disparity in the game. I own and use a Bortasque, but it's a sub par ship. It really could use some minor tweaking to get it where it should be.
Minor changes to stats: probably not a huge ordeal, they tweak ship stats in testing a lot and mention stats are always subject to change. Devising a control function for combat pets shouldn't be difficult, and if it is, adding a single hanger has been shown to be an easy fix too.
I've enjoyed my Bort but only from time to time. It should be much more damage capable if it's supposed to be the flagship. It certainly looks badass, and should fight at least half as well as it looks.
And for the record, the Bortasqu' rocks. :cool:
/thread.
The sci version has 8 weapon slots, sensor analysis, battlecruiser commands and 4 tac consoles. If people can't make that work it isn't the ship that's at fault.
And yes, it could use some extra tweaking, but keep in mind that the ship is old, it comes from a time when the LTC universal boff station was considered awesome and unique.
That's why, at the risk of repeating myself I'll say, let's wait to see what Delta Rising brings to the table in terms of T6 upgrades and new/improved boff powers before condemning the ship as "subpar".
To claim the Borty is good as a FAWboat is misleading, because you're saying that's the ONLY thing it's good at. Not that it excels at it. Compare a 8-beam FAWboat on the Borty vs one on the other battlecruisers? It sucks.
The Fleet Negh'Var, the Fleet Tork, the Fleet Mogh, the Fleet Kamarag, could all beat the borty on DPS any day of the week using a similar FAWboat setup.
DPS relies on a number of things, but one of them is being able to position yourself where you can do the right damage at the right time. You just cannot ever do that in a Borty. If you devote all your boff skills to getting you into position, you have none left to save your own butt or to buff your own attacks. You sacrifice it all and actually do a ton less DPS than lesser ships.
Let's just put it this way: On one sci toon I'm trying to run my Borty for max damage but still allowing me to use GW1. My DPS is no better than when I was running my Hegh'Ta in a sci-oriented setup. The only real difference is the Borty is slightly more durable than the Hegh'Ta, but far less practical. I had to stop using the Hegh'Ta, and I may have to stop using the Borty as well (again) pretty soon.
Truth be told my Borty at its best currently only breaks 8k DPS barely. With far less tac boff seats, my TAC in a Fleet K'Tinga does 12.5k DPS. And yes I know the Borty can run the same boff setup as the K'Tinga, and have tried it in the past that way with hideous results.
That about sums it up right there.