They are most certainly getting a donation from me!
Matter of fact. I think I'm going to shift ALL the money that I was going to contribute to this game to the Axanar Kickstarter.
You hear that, Geko? Here, let me bring it down for you: Money go bye-bye. :cool:
I just wish Cryptic understood Star Trek just one-tenth as much as these people (and other fan-made projects) do. Well, that's not exactly fair to say. They did before they sold their souls to PWE.
1. At 17:30 in the video, NCC-1701 is shown in construction in dry dock. Of the 14 official Constitution class ships, wouldn't Constitution have been the first? I don't recall the source, but I seem to remember hearing years ago that Enterprise was not one of the first created.
2. I'm a tad confused by the film's expression of Federation politics at the time of Axanar.
The Klingons fight the Federation (which should mean everyone in the Fed has their backs to the wall)
Kharn mentions being unable to easily determine who is inside each ship, because (as the captains explain), at that time Fed species preferred to staff their ships with their own kind. (Which is consistent with the Vulcan-crewed USS Intrepid on TOS' The Immunity Syndrome.)
But there is also an expression of independent natures: the Vulcans only reluctantly contribute to the Ares class construction, and toy with the idea of pulling out. The humans seem to be the only serious target of the Klingons, and there are discussions that suggest the war is really a human-Klingon war. Capt. Travers notes the Andorians were eager to give "us" weapons for the Ares class. As if the humans and ship construction was separate from Andoria
This doesn't sound like a Federation, a central government. It sounds like a Confederation where each state decides its own course of action, and is loosely affiliated with the others. The film shows that the fall of Axanar would pose a threat to the four main Fed species homeworlds, yet the species seem to act independent of each other?
1. did you notice the second drydock in orbit?
2.
only one side of the federation has gotten klingon attention the rest of the federation couldnt give a rats backside. it isnt just because one is having this issue it must mean everyone else is to.
some enemies you would recognize immediately but if you have corralled your enemy long enough and they finally start fighting back, you never fought them directly before, you wont know what your up against, different captain or different crews.
the vulcans consider it because a war is not something they are interested in, their history will attest exactly what wars have done for the vulcan people in the past. besides in logic the better part of valor is discretion, meaning they want to brick it. As far as the andorians are concerned, i got the sense that after the alliance was formed the andorian influence on the federation council was restricted, with a potential war like this, the chance to prove their worth, especially over the vulcans.
the federation is a coalition of planets incase you forgotten what picard keeps stating when addressing an opponent over subspace communications. the "united federation of planets", you wouldnt expect a new group like this to be settled overnight, these things take time to work out as they almost always do in politics.
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I did not. Thank you for noting it. I will double back to look it over.
EDIT: looked it over. The ship in that dry dock is significantly behind in construction. That said, it does imply that if there are two, there may be other off-screen drydocks.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I did not. Thank you for noting it. I will double back to look it over.
EDIT: looked it over. The ship in that dry dock is significantly behind in construction. That said, it does imply that if there are two, there may be other off-screen drydocks.
The bigger issue becomes apparent, that the Enterprise was not built over Axanar but over Earth at San Francisco Fleet Yards.
1. At 17:30 in the video, NCC-1701 is shown in construction in dry dock. Of the 14 official Constitution class ships, wouldn't Constitution have been the first? I don't recall the source, but I seem to remember hearing years ago that Enterprise was not one of the first created.
2. I'm a tad confused by the film's expression of Federation politics at the time of Axanar.
The Klingons fight the Federation (which should mean everyone in the Fed has their backs to the wall)
Kharn mentions being unable to easily determine who is inside each ship, because (as the captains explain), at that time Fed species preferred to staff their ships with their own kind. (Which is consistent with the Vulcan-crewed USS Intrepid on TOS' The Immunity Syndrome.)
But there is also an expression of independent natures: the Vulcans only reluctantly contribute to the Ares class construction, and toy with the idea of pulling out. The humans seem to be the only serious target of the Klingons, and there are discussions that suggest the war is really a human-Klingon war. Capt. Travers notes the Andorians were eager to give "us" weapons for the Ares class. As if the humans and ship construction was separate from Andoria
This doesn't sound like a Federation, a central government. It sounds like a Confederation where each state decides its own course of action, and is loosely affiliated with the others. The film shows that the fall of Axanar would pose a threat to the four main Fed species homeworlds, yet the species seem to act independent of each other?
I think we shouldn't forget that Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar and Earth where all independent for hundreds of years, some even where enemies.
A entity like the federation has to grow together over time.
Even in TOS it seemed to be a rather loose alliance compared to TNG or later.
(For example TOS: 2x15 "Journey to Babel")
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
I did not. Thank you for noting it. I will double back to look it over.
EDIT: looked it over. The ship in that dry dock is significantly behind in construction. That said, it does imply that if there are two, there may be other off-screen drydocks.
it was noted that the connie construction was a lot more complex to build then originally hoped, the original connie the one your referring to may have been put to the shipyards for assembly then found these issues out during construction, so that slowed the original down while all these new improvements are found for the newer connies that start getting constructed and they overcome the hurdle of the original, in effect the original connie was infact an unintended test bed construction or a "lab rab" of sorts, eventually the original was shelved or rebuilt from scrach and then finished at a later date.
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That was quite impressive, a million times better than any other Trek "fan made" show out there. I really want to see more.
The characters seemed interesting and I liked the whole interview thing they had going on in between the action scenes.
I saw it two days ago and loved it. Kharn is badass and so are the actors that formerly played martok and kern (I believe worf's brother was named kern). I really enjoyed the documentary style scenes mixed with the battle scenes. That being said, Garth seemed a bit timid and unimposing. I wonder if that was the portrayal they were going for as sort of a metaphor for the klingon's false generalizations about the federation as a whole.
That being said, Garth seemed a bit timid and unimposing. I wonder if that was the portrayal they were going for as sort of a metaphor for the klingon's false generalizations about the federation as a whole.
I suspect Capt. Alexander's comments about Garth set the framework for understanding him. He's not timid, he's humble. He first glorifies his crew, his new ship, his fellow captains, anyone but himself. But Alexander has him pegged and states that he likes to understate his importance. Remember, he did say he just went for it on the Ares' first attack because he wanted to see how tough he new ship was. Not the actions of a timid man.
This of course, is completely opposite the same character's insane state where he's entirely self-absorbed (TOS "Whom Gods Destroy"). I suspect the Axanar characterization was intended to be a striking opposite to Garth's insane personality.
I haven't been paying attention, because this morning was the first time I had heard of this project. It does look awesome and I will definitely be contributing to the Kickstarter. I really hope they don't run afoul of CBS. I'm surprised they were ok with Gary Graham reprising his role from Enterprise.
This is awesome! Hands down one of best trek I have seen years an this is just the proof of concept, can't wait for the movie! Also as far as I know, if they make no money ( as in money selling this or merchandise related to it ) then they should be free to do what they want. This is trek I can get behind, well done.
I suspect Capt. Alexander's comments about Garth set the framework for understanding him. He's not timid, he's humble. He first glorifies his crew, his new ship, his fellow captains, anyone but himself. But Alexander has him pegged and states that he likes to understate his importance. Remember, he did say he just went for it on the Ares' first attack because he wanted to see how tough he new ship was. Not the actions of a timid man.
This of course, is completely opposite the same character's insane state where he's entirely self-absorbed (TOS "Whom Gods Destroy"). I suspect the Axanar characterization was intended to be a striking opposite to Garth's insane personality.
I believe this striking difference was even mentioned in one of the trailers, teasers.
I hope they manage to get all the funds for the feature film itself and that it ends up at least as great or greater than this prelude.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I've only watched ten minutes of the "trailer" then I paused to come here to the forum. What I want to say is: wow. Just wow! This looks so awesome for a fanmade movie!
The first time I've heard about this project was in a Priority One podcast interview and my feelings were like: "well sounds interesting but nah... I don't care..."
But after I've seen the full trailer I am so much impressed! Very well done!!!
I wish I wouldn't be a student anymore so that I could donate some money to it :-(
Anyway. Congrats on the wonderful short movie and thanks a lot for the entertainment!
It's .... Star Trek....now with colorful language !
I liked it, although the Klingon guy seemed a bit timid, but on the other hand, it's nice to have a Klingon not be a roaring barbarian for once.
He's probably saving the rage for the full film. We've seen thinking men's Klingons before. Chang was largely soft-spoken, which presented both confidence and menace. Chancellor Gorkon had a thoughtful, calculating nature. Martok varied between thinking man and impulsive Klingon.
I trust this is in no way related to that abomination that is jjtrek, despite the fact that some ships appear quite similar. one thing they did get right. a ship of 1 million gross tons, as attested to be LtCmdr Scott, cannot be built in a gravity well that is a planet's surface. hear that abrams? you're an idiot.
one thing I gotta wonder about, tho. where's Robert April, first captain of NCC-1701? yeah he was only part of the animated series, but I think the character is still acknowleged as canon.
so, are they gonna get any $$$ from me? HELLZYEAH. this film will have the same production quality as all the best episodes have. you just have to watch the trailer to see that, and if you don't, then you as blind as a tiberian bat
WE SURVIVE!
aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
either to conquer or to die for the Empire
one thing I gotta wonder about, tho. where's Robert April, first captain of NCC-1701? yeah he was only part of the animated series, but I think the character is still acknowleged as canon.
i liked his luckless colonel tigh on rBSG and bailey on me2 and me3. always wondered what Hogan would be like being captain of his own boat with that on screen lively behavior. the perfect captain for the ent, am i right?
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i liked his luckless colonel tigh on rBSG and bailey on me2 and me3. always wondered what Hogan would be like being captain of his own boat with that on screen lively behavior. the perfect captain for the ent, am i right?
Can he do a good English impression though? I've heard April is supposed to be English, unless the Axanar team want to go in different direction for the character.
Regardless, I'm sure he'll do a great job in the role.
Wow! That was an amazing trailer. I didn't see the timidness that people saw in Garth and others. Not every character has to be brash, loud-spoken, etc. Some can be soft-spoken, humble, not wanting the credit for themselves but wanting the credit for their crewmates, their ship, etc. Thanks. Can't wait for Expansion 2!
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They are most certainly getting a donation from me!
Matter of fact. I think I'm going to shift ALL the money that I was going to contribute to this game to the Axanar Kickstarter.
You hear that, Geko? Here, let me bring it down for you: Money go bye-bye. :cool:
I just wish Cryptic understood Star Trek just one-tenth as much as these people (and other fan-made projects) do. Well, that's not exactly fair to say. They did before they sold their souls to PWE.
1. did you notice the second drydock in orbit?
2.
only one side of the federation has gotten klingon attention the rest of the federation couldnt give a rats backside. it isnt just because one is having this issue it must mean everyone else is to.
some enemies you would recognize immediately but if you have corralled your enemy long enough and they finally start fighting back, you never fought them directly before, you wont know what your up against, different captain or different crews.
the vulcans consider it because a war is not something they are interested in, their history will attest exactly what wars have done for the vulcan people in the past. besides in logic the better part of valor is discretion, meaning they want to brick it. As far as the andorians are concerned, i got the sense that after the alliance was formed the andorian influence on the federation council was restricted, with a potential war like this, the chance to prove their worth, especially over the vulcans.
the federation is a coalition of planets incase you forgotten what picard keeps stating when addressing an opponent over subspace communications. the "united federation of planets", you wouldnt expect a new group like this to be settled overnight, these things take time to work out as they almost always do in politics.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I did not. Thank you for noting it. I will double back to look it over.
EDIT: looked it over. The ship in that dry dock is significantly behind in construction. That said, it does imply that if there are two, there may be other off-screen drydocks.
THIS!! THIS!!! This is some of the best Trek to come out in 10 years. Well done! Very well done!
This is simply awesome!
A entity like the federation has to grow together over time.
Even in TOS it seemed to be a rather loose alliance compared to TNG or later.
(For example TOS: 2x15 "Journey to Babel")
it was noted that the connie construction was a lot more complex to build then originally hoped, the original connie the one your referring to may have been put to the shipyards for assembly then found these issues out during construction, so that slowed the original down while all these new improvements are found for the newer connies that start getting constructed and they overcome the hurdle of the original, in effect the original connie was infact an unintended test bed construction or a "lab rab" of sorts, eventually the original was shelved or rebuilt from scrach and then finished at a later date.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I will definitely contribute.
This feels like Star Trek (unlike JJ's movies).
Two thumbs up.
The characters seemed interesting and I liked the whole interview thing they had going on in between the action scenes.
I suspect Capt. Alexander's comments about Garth set the framework for understanding him. He's not timid, he's humble. He first glorifies his crew, his new ship, his fellow captains, anyone but himself. But Alexander has him pegged and states that he likes to understate his importance. Remember, he did say he just went for it on the Ares' first attack because he wanted to see how tough he new ship was. Not the actions of a timid man.
This of course, is completely opposite the same character's insane state where he's entirely self-absorbed (TOS "Whom Gods Destroy"). I suspect the Axanar characterization was intended to be a striking opposite to Garth's insane personality.
Then here is a bit more from behind the scenes.
I believe this striking difference was even mentioned in one of the trailers, teasers.
I hope they manage to get all the funds for the feature film itself and that it ends up at least as great or greater than this prelude.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I liked it, although the Klingon guy seemed a bit timid, but on the other hand, it's nice to have a Klingon not be a roaring barbarian for once.
The first time I've heard about this project was in a Priority One podcast interview and my feelings were like: "well sounds interesting but nah... I don't care..."
But after I've seen the full trailer I am so much impressed! Very well done!!!
I wish I wouldn't be a student anymore so that I could donate some money to it :-(
Anyway. Congrats on the wonderful short movie and thanks a lot for the entertainment!
Greetings
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He's probably saving the rage for the full film. We've seen thinking men's Klingons before. Chang was largely soft-spoken, which presented both confidence and menace. Chancellor Gorkon had a thoughtful, calculating nature. Martok varied between thinking man and impulsive Klingon.
Wow...just...wow...
I will definitely be signing up for this as I WANT this to continue.
Beautifully done. Just beautiful!
one thing I gotta wonder about, tho. where's Robert April, first captain of NCC-1701? yeah he was only part of the animated series, but I think the character is still acknowleged as canon.
so, are they gonna get any $$$ from me? HELLZYEAH. this film will have the same production quality as all the best episodes have. you just have to watch the trailer to see that, and if you don't, then you as blind as a tiberian bat
aut vincere aut mori pro imperio
either to conquer or to die for the Empire
Capt. Robert April is actually in the final, full version. He's going to be played by Michael Hogan of new Battlestar Galactica fame.
Hogan! heh.
i liked his luckless colonel tigh on rBSG and bailey on me2 and me3. always wondered what Hogan would be like being captain of his own boat with that on screen lively behavior. the perfect captain for the ent, am i right?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Can he do a good English impression though? I've heard April is supposed to be English, unless the Axanar team want to go in different direction for the character.
Regardless, I'm sure he'll do a great job in the role.
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