Regarding Marcus Kane's reputation, the reason Alyosha did not *completely* freeze him out (and also refuses to be drawn into conversation about a majority of the time he knew him, though he *does* talk to me about the earliest days) is twofold.
One: Marcus Kane of old has a lot to do with Alyosha having a career after Starfleet was done using him for Dominion War purposes, and being able to move into his true field (science). Kane also worked one end of the transfer to the 77th Fleet when the time came--a move that I *know* for sure occurred because the top science position aboard the Endeavor would not be vacated (whereas the 77th was one of the options with a billet available right away and amenable fleet and ship CO's)...but that may also have occurred, depending on timing, to remove Alyosha from a situation that was clearly causing him discomfort. See, Alyosha did not believe the first set of allegations against Kane--he thought it was jealousy over Kane's immortality leading to a disgusting rumor. He defended Kane against those accusations, and Kane knew this and allowed him to do it since it benefitted him. When things got hot and steamy with Siri, Alyosha was not only disgusted by a situation he sees as extremely inappropriate, but felt betrayed by Kane's abuse of his trust.
Two: Alyosha considers Kane's actions to be a moral violation on a combination of religious grounds and the fact that he believes Kane's being Siri's father, and Siri's sexual imprinting at an early age, means that insufficient grounds for consent exist. That said...he is not as vocal as some might be, because Alyosha is biologically unable to desire humanoids, and psychologically and emotionally unable to desire his own species. Having never experienced any such feelings, for himself, he is a bit reluctant to be *too* loud in his feelings on those subjects (though you can bet if anything nonconsensual or constituting abuse of power for sexual purposes takes place in his purview, he will take serious action in it).
Between his gratitude towards Marcus as he once was, and his (literal) ignorance of sexual drives, though, that is why he goes the route of refusing to volunteer information from certain time framed, and still at least invited Kane to his pinning-on ceremony as captain (which Kane likely declined to spare Alyosha the awkwardness). But that's why he doesn't just outright flame Marcus even after Marcus' passing.
Exactly... His actions cost him a lot of friends. I don't think Selek tolerated it either, hence the awkwardness of his opening conversation with Siri at the wake, and I think he (somewhat illogically from an emotional point of view, but factually accurate, considering the Dark Quickening...) tried to retain the memory of Marcus as he had been up until Cameron's death, rather than the person he became afterwards...
To be clear, neither of them actually saw each other as a child/parent, but simply went along with what others expected of them (until the future was nothing but life in a labour camp) Equally, Siri's age at imprinting was not unusual by Pentaxian standards, which is why the court-martial was forced to accept her cultural practices and say "We're not happy about this, but will take no further action, because the law says we can't..." Equally, there are some European counties which simply add an extra two years to the age of consent where the relationship is between a foster/step parent/child... :eek:
I must admit, I'm not really feeling any of these prompts. I think I'll stick with the unofficial one this time.
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A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
@marcusdkane - That is the stuff that makes me really enjoy your style. I'm curious, of all the ships to choose from, why Akira? AND you besmirched the glorious Excelsior to make a point, for shame! :P
EDIT - @pompouluss - Wow. Gritty, emotional and captivating. This was awesome in its brevity. VERY well done. Please come back to show us more Des Corvina!
Finished my Xindi story! Yay! I split it into 2 parts cos it ended up being a lot longer than I thought, and I can pretend there's a cliffhanger
Hope you all enjoy reading it, I'm very looking forward to everyone else's entries
That is the stuff that makes me really enjoy your style. I'm curious, of all the ships to choose from, why Akira?
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it :cool:
The thing to remember with Marcus, ignoring his training, his immortality, even his career history, is that as Admiral Cooper pointed out, first and foremost, Marcus was an engineer/test pilot, much like Archer had been. He didn't grind his way up the ranks like many ship-board officers, nor assume command in a crisis, as others occasionally have, but transitioned an assignment, into a long-term posting. To contrast Marcus to Riker (at that same age), Riker wanted the career, the career wanted Marcus, and 'stuff just happened' around him, without him actively seeking promotions etc. As for 'why the Akira', well, when I did research into what ships were being commissioned at that point in time, The Akira-Class was the one which seemed the most fitting to Marcus' experiences and skill set :cool:
AND you besmirched the glorious Excelsior to make a point, for shame! :-P
Haha
Actually, I view the Excelsior-Class as a pretty solid workhorse which is able to hold it's own against other more modern ships. However, the Akira-Class was not only designed essentially as a torpedo ship, but effectively a war ship (which was able to do all the cool science stuff as well, to keep the hippies quiet) I don't think Starfleet was necessarily trying to phase out the Excelsior-Class, but I do think they wanted something a bit more contemporary, and more specifically designed for tough situations :cool:
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
@jonnaroslyn - That was really captivating and touching. You *need* to be coming back to every LC because I want to read more from the crew of the Mutabor (which is a cool sig btw ).
@ jonnaroslyn: Nicely presented, and a nice twist of the traveller :cool:
@ starswordc: Entertaining and attention holding, but I have to admit, even with the Bajoran terms thrown in, the translation convention made the characters read (to me) as Moabites, than Bajorans. Not a deal-breaker, but enough to jar a little... Excellent piece though :cool:
@ starswordc: Entertaining and attention holding, but I have to admit, even with the Bajoran terms thrown in, the translation convention made the characters read (to me) as Moabites, than Bajorans. Not a deal-breaker, but enough to jar a little... Excellent piece though :cool:
I'm guessing that's because you've been co-writing Moabites so long. Seems like a jarhead is a jarhead, no matter the species...
Still trying to work through my own stories. I think I might have a twist on the Xindi thing...
I'm guessing that's because you've been co-writing Moabites so long. Seems like a jarhead is a jarhead, no matter the species...
Not really, just thinking about the Bajorans seen on DS-9, who I felt had a somewhat different tone, but equally, the touches of Bajoran culture were nice :cool:
Still trying to work through my own stories. I think I might have a twist on the Xindi thing...
Looking forward to it :cool: I'm still hoping to get something done for the unofficial LC challenges, I just seem to be juggling so many different projects (not just writing) at the moment, I need the Moabite 36 hour day just to keep up with it all
The one thing I like to say about this is simple. When they first came out with the TV Series "Enterprise" I felt it funny that Paramount wanted to do an "Origins" tv show regarding the formation of the Federation and have the NX-01 as Enterprise as the first ship to officially be called USS Enterprise. And to add to it very much shove in there the idea this was after the events of Star Trek First Contact as well.
So I guess the idea writers wanted to do was, "Oh, since the USS Enterprise traveled back in time and prevented the Borg from preventing First Contact between Terrans aka Humans and Vulcans. Lets do a TV Show showing how Picard and the Enterprise not only changed the events but also changed the whole context of Star Trek as well." BRILLIANT! Now don't get me wrong I did like the TV show, but once they decided to bring in the Temporal Cold War and also skip out in the TV Series of Earth-Romulan War which led to the formation of the Federation in the first place? I was done with that series. And now they want to bring the Temporal Cold War into STO? That's a bit of a bad idea somewhat it you ask me. But then again since when did STO try to stay as canon to the franchise as possible since Nemesis and JJ Abrams Star Trek. Well then again actually for a story in regards for an MMO not too bad. But with saying that I will note that AGAIN we are talking about a MMO. When do they ever keep things canon since it's a game.
Well, canon can only go so far in a game where conflict is necessary for the players to play. I'd like to think that because STO advanced the timeline to set the players, then "canon" effectively ended prior to 2409. Thus, I give STO a huge break and suspend disbelief even further.
@starswordc - This was a smooth read. In other words, I can imagine myself sitting across from Kanril asking Kanril, "How did you end up in Starfleet?" and this is what she said to me. Your piece gave me some ideas for my own entry, so thank you!
@starswordc - This was a smooth read. In other words, I can imagine myself sitting across from Kanril asking Kanril, "How did you end up in Starfleet?" and this is what she said to me. Your piece gave me some ideas for my own entry, so thank you!
Glad to be of help!
And thanks again to jonsills for the inspiration back on page one.
And as for you, marcus ... *takes aim with phaser and sign saying "zap" pops out* Just kidding.
Yeah, I kinda knew making the Bajoran Militia into Uncle Sam's Misguided Children wasn't completely in line with their onscreen portrayal, but then again they didn't honestly have much of an onscreen portrayal. Most of DS9 still focused on Starfleet (I think maybe four people in Militia uniforms outside of Kira even got names, and two of them were Odo and Rom), and even Kira was still an officer, whereas Eleya here is an enlisted soldier with an extremely blue-collar background. Also, this is after the Republic of Bajor's had almost forty years to get itself mostly sorted out instead of immediately post-Occupation (to reuse the Space Jews analogy, it's the State of Israel roundabout the Six Day War, rather than immediately following its post-WWII founding when it wasn't doing so hot). Also note we've never seen basic training for any of the franchise's armed services (heck, we've barely seen officer training).
Glad you enjoyed it otherwise.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
And as for you, marcus ... *takes aim with phaser and sign saying "zap" pops out* Just kidding.
Yeah, I kinda knew making the Bajoran Militia into Uncle Sam's Misguided Children wasn't completely in line with their onscreen portrayal, but then again they didn't honestly have much of an onscreen portrayal. Most of DS9 still focused on Starfleet (I think maybe four people in Militia uniforms outside of Kira even got names, and two of them were Odo and Rom), and even Kira was still an officer, whereas Eleya here is an enlisted soldier with an extremely blue-collar background. Also, this is after the Republic of Bajor's had almost forty years to get itself mostly sorted out instead of immediately post-Occupation (to reuse the Space Jews analogy, it's the State of Israel roundabout the Six Day War, rather than immediately following its post-WWII founding when it wasn't doing so hot). Also note we've never seen basic training for any of the franchise's armed services (heck, we've barely seen officer training).
Glad you enjoyed it otherwise.
Another good comparison, might be post-WWII Japan, where the American occupation created massive cultural shifts...
But absolutely, I did enjoy it :cool:
PS I am still planning on putting stuff in for the unofficial LC, I've just been juggling a lot of projects IRL and writing time has been limited...
Working on a yukata for summer wear, a late 60s top for wifey (vintage material and vintage pattern) and the sleeves on that, made me think of combining elements from both projects, to do something like the robe Spock wore in TMP and WoK which they buried him in (I'm not saying "Spock's Burial Robe" although that is how it's sometimes described, simply because it was not a piece of burial-specific clothing (as kimonos are closed right over left in death), but something he had worn, and I suspect the only piece of non-uniform clothing in his quarters) as well as drawing up some half-sleeve designs and other writing, so not much free time at the moment
Xindi Paradox is up, and not a single ellipsis to be found!:P
Sorry for the delay in reading, but that was awesome :cool: Clinton struck me as a bit naive, but I liked the idea that Section 31 has a 'pass or die' entrance exam, as it would make sense that someone without the chops to make the call to save themselves, wouldn't have what it took to actually be an agent :cool:
Expecting to have the second half of "From Bajor to the Black" finished tomorrow. Gotta do a little research on a Foundry mission and the pre-S8 Fed tutorial first.
Part I was how she joined Starfleet, part II is how she became a CO.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Wow, nice stories! Maso, Starswordc, I liked your fics the most; I managed to share starsword's on Springhole.net, in between playing Hamlet, seeing Guardians of the Galaxy, and fighting in a cage match (don't even ask), but I haven't shared anyone else's yet.
If you want a review from the guys, just ask me.
Oh, and starswordc, my friend DontEvenAsk wonders how many cows must she sacrifice to appease you?
@marcusdkane: Thanks! Clinton was meant to be the kid who screws up and actually believes in the 'forgive and forget' concept, not realizing that every organization has a loooong memory. I think that S31 doesn't place all candidates in a 'pass or die' test; some people are too valuable, and might eventually come around to be good agents once the idealism is beaten out of them by life. Great story! I love your descriptive narrative - I imagine that stepping onto Vulcan must be like stepping out of a plane to a Vegas summer! Nice, subtle ending!
@worffan101: thanks! Wouldn't mind hearing what the others think now that there are no 'pimples' in the text! Loved your tale - D'trel stories from you are my preferred ones - but I would like to see the mythical contract that would make a Starfleet Admiral give Three a ship and a lot of lattitude given the somewhat unorthodox introduction!
I haven't been commenting because I've been trying to work on a tale of my own - but I've been blocked for a while. Still gonna try to hammer this thing out, but I have to work around home renovations (specifically, we're redecorating Iain's room with a Minecraft theme), so we'll see...
Thanks! Clinton was meant to be the kid who screws up and actually believes in the 'forgive and forget' concept, not realizing that every organization has a loooong memory.
He definitely came across thus, typical 25th Century Boy who believes everything he's told, and believes everyone has good intentions
I think that S31 doesn't place all candidates in a 'pass or die' test; some people are too valuable, and might eventually come around to be good agents once the idealism is beaten out of them by life.
If not 'pass or die', I recon something very much like that, or something which pushes the person right past their usual boundaries to make sure they have The Right Stuff...
Great story! I love your descriptive narrative - I imagine that stepping onto Vulcan must be like stepping out of a plane to a Vegas summer! Nice, subtle ending!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'd say someone from Barrow, Alaska getting off a plane in the middle of Saharan heatwave, would be about the same temperature differential between Earth and Vulcan... Laurence of Arabia, Marcus of Vulcan... And thanks, I didn't want to end it on him actually stepping onto the bridge, so that felt the most fitting place :cool:
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To be clear, neither of them actually saw each other as a child/parent, but simply went along with what others expected of them (until the future was nothing but life in a labour camp) Equally, Siri's age at imprinting was not unusual by Pentaxian standards, which is why the court-martial was forced to accept her cultural practices and say "We're not happy about this, but will take no further action, because the law says we can't..." Equally, there are some European counties which simply add an extra two years to the age of consent where the relationship is between a foster/step parent/child... :eek:
@angelus214 - Short and sweet. Please come back for other LCs as I would like to see further adventures that lead toward his goal
EDIT - @knightraider6 - Man, that was head-spinningly good for me. As much as I dislike things 'temporal', this was really enjoyable. Well done
A Romulan Strike Team, Missing Farmers and an ancient base on a Klingon Border world. But what connects them? Find out in my First Foundary mission: 'The Jeroan Farmer Escapade'
EDIT - @pompouluss - Wow. Gritty, emotional and captivating. This was awesome in its brevity. VERY well done. Please come back to show us more Des Corvina!
Hope you all enjoy reading it, I'm very looking forward to everyone else's entries
here are my characters' faces:
Vice Admiral Joanne Roslyn
Commander Corspa Eide
Lt. Commander Hrin Ojhyni
The thing to remember with Marcus, ignoring his training, his immortality, even his career history, is that as Admiral Cooper pointed out, first and foremost, Marcus was an engineer/test pilot, much like Archer had been. He didn't grind his way up the ranks like many ship-board officers, nor assume command in a crisis, as others occasionally have, but transitioned an assignment, into a long-term posting. To contrast Marcus to Riker (at that same age), Riker wanted the career, the career wanted Marcus, and 'stuff just happened' around him, without him actively seeking promotions etc. As for 'why the Akira', well, when I did research into what ships were being commissioned at that point in time, The Akira-Class was the one which seemed the most fitting to Marcus' experiences and skill set :cool:
Haha
Actually, I view the Excelsior-Class as a pretty solid workhorse which is able to hold it's own against other more modern ships. However, the Akira-Class was not only designed essentially as a torpedo ship, but effectively a war ship (which was able to do all the cool science stuff as well, to keep the hippies quiet) I don't think Starfleet was necessarily trying to phase out the Excelsior-Class, but I do think they wanted something a bit more contemporary, and more specifically designed for tough situations :cool:
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
@ starswordc: Entertaining and attention holding, but I have to admit, even with the Bajoran terms thrown in, the translation convention made the characters read (to me) as Moabites, than Bajorans. Not a deal-breaker, but enough to jar a little... Excellent piece though :cool:
Still trying to work through my own stories. I think I might have a twist on the Xindi thing...
Looking forward to it :cool: I'm still hoping to get something done for the unofficial LC challenges, I just seem to be juggling so many different projects (not just writing) at the moment, I need the Moabite 36 hour day just to keep up with it all
So I guess the idea writers wanted to do was, "Oh, since the USS Enterprise traveled back in time and prevented the Borg from preventing First Contact between Terrans aka Humans and Vulcans. Lets do a TV Show showing how Picard and the Enterprise not only changed the events but also changed the whole context of Star Trek as well." BRILLIANT! Now don't get me wrong I did like the TV show, but once they decided to bring in the Temporal Cold War and also skip out in the TV Series of Earth-Romulan War which led to the formation of the Federation in the first place? I was done with that series. And now they want to bring the Temporal Cold War into STO? That's a bit of a bad idea somewhat it you ask me. But then again since when did STO try to stay as canon to the franchise as possible since Nemesis and JJ Abrams Star Trek. Well then again actually for a story in regards for an MMO not too bad. But with saying that I will note that AGAIN we are talking about a MMO. When do they ever keep things canon since it's a game.
Glad to be of help!
And thanks again to jonsills for the inspiration back on page one.
And as for you, marcus ... *takes aim with phaser and sign saying "zap" pops out* Just kidding.
Yeah, I kinda knew making the Bajoran Militia into Uncle Sam's Misguided Children wasn't completely in line with their onscreen portrayal, but then again they didn't honestly have much of an onscreen portrayal. Most of DS9 still focused on Starfleet (I think maybe four people in Militia uniforms outside of Kira even got names, and two of them were Odo and Rom), and even Kira was still an officer, whereas Eleya here is an enlisted soldier with an extremely blue-collar background. Also, this is after the Republic of Bajor's had almost forty years to get itself mostly sorted out instead of immediately post-Occupation (to reuse the Space Jews analogy, it's the State of Israel roundabout the Six Day War, rather than immediately following its post-WWII founding when it wasn't doing so hot). Also note we've never seen basic training for any of the franchise's armed services (heck, we've barely seen officer training).
Glad you enjoyed it otherwise.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Another good comparison, might be post-WWII Japan, where the American occupation created massive cultural shifts...
But absolutely, I did enjoy it :cool:
PS I am still planning on putting stuff in for the unofficial LC, I've just been juggling a lot of projects IRL and writing time has been limited...
Man, you ain't whistling Dixie
Working on a yukata for summer wear, a late 60s top for wifey (vintage material and vintage pattern) and the sleeves on that, made me think of combining elements from both projects, to do something like the robe Spock wore in TMP and WoK which they buried him in (I'm not saying "Spock's Burial Robe" although that is how it's sometimes described, simply because it was not a piece of burial-specific clothing (as kimonos are closed right over left in death), but something he had worn, and I suspect the only piece of non-uniform clothing in his quarters) as well as drawing up some half-sleeve designs and other writing, so not much free time at the moment
So, less garment making and more writing :P
To quote from The Terminator:
Punk: "Washday tomorrow?! Nothing clean, right?"
Terminator: "Nothing clean right..."
More writing was posted earlier
But gongrats on the new arrival, and hope the move goes smoothly :cool:
Best of luck with the new home, and may your new little Trekker be healthy!
Now then, @masopw - that was tough. Great entry, but really tough.
Thank you!
I thought that not all potential recruits would make it into S31, and some would fail in a disturbing manner...
Sorry for the delay in reading, but that was awesome :cool: Clinton struck me as a bit naive, but I liked the idea that Section 31 has a 'pass or die' entrance exam, as it would make sense that someone without the chops to make the call to save themselves, wouldn't have what it took to actually be an agent :cool:
Part I was how she joined Starfleet, part II is how she became a CO.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
If you want a review from the guys, just ask me.
Oh, and starswordc, my friend DontEvenAsk wonders how many cows must she sacrifice to appease you?
@worffan101: thanks! Wouldn't mind hearing what the others think now that there are no 'pimples' in the text! Loved your tale - D'trel stories from you are my preferred ones - but I would like to see the mythical contract that would make a Starfleet Admiral give Three a ship and a lot of lattitude given the somewhat unorthodox introduction!
If not 'pass or die', I recon something very much like that, or something which pushes the person right past their usual boundaries to make sure they have The Right Stuff...
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'd say someone from Barrow, Alaska getting off a plane in the middle of Saharan heatwave, would be about the same temperature differential between Earth and Vulcan... Laurence of Arabia, Marcus of Vulcan...