Why.. .AA is also a great way to control mine spam. Granted with so many of the around mines are now completely useless... so perhaps they should get adjusted that way. Don't think anyone would have an issue with that. Would make them suck more in PvE though where people use them to protect against HY projectiles. So if we get that adjust expect the "PvPers suck" threads.
Why.. .AA is also a great way to control mine spam. Granted with so many of the around mines are now completely useless... so perhaps they should get adjusted that way. Don't think anyone would have an issue with that. Would make them suck more in PvE though where people use them to protect against HY projectiles. So if we get that adjust expect the "PvPers suck" threads.
Thing is...Undine poo puddles/rifts cause us damage - pets damage - etc...but they don't touch targetables.
Then there's also the two PvP weapon mods - so...there is some underlying coding there that could cover it without one of our special friends stopping by.
Nothing wrong with AAs. Yet t here's something wrong with people who can't destroy an AA.
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Why.. .AA is also a great way to control mine spam. Granted with so many of the around mines are now completely useless... so perhaps they should get adjusted that way. Don't think anyone would have an issue with that. Would make them suck more in PvE though where people use them to protect against HY projectiles. So if we get that adjust expect the "PvPers suck" threads.
Bye Bye Nukara mines then ... that flow cap bonus was tempting
Thing is...Undine poo puddles/rifts cause us damage - pets damage - etc...but they don't touch targetables.
Then there's also the two PvP weapon mods - so...there is some underlying coding there that could cover it without one of our special friends stopping by.
While levelling up a few chars and playing in the Undine space zone, I have noticed my AAs getting destroyed soon ... now, I don't know whether because of some torps shot by the Undine or the poo puddles can damage them ... or both.
There not that bad... carry torps. Problem solved.
Torps not doing it... A Gravity well will take care of them as well.
If your in an escort or cruiser with nothing but energy no sympathy from me on that one.
"littered" doesnt mean 1-3 of them it means 6+ and being used as part of every attack combo, gw/sn/aa or crf/dpb/aa, hey there's another one, everybody is good like hobo now
you cant take time-outs to deal with them when the rest of the team gets to shoot you while you do it
it shuts down the map, people start warping out and sitting at spawn
Oh, puh-leeze... PvP is broken for SO many different reasons. The AA isn't one of them. This is just the latest FotM. Hell, if the KDF ever got a damned console that wasn't tier1 TRIBBLE (TDS, Cryptic? 180 quantum, Cryptic? What about the consoles that are worth a TRIBBLE, Cryptic? Plasma manifold, really Cryptic, really?!?! WHY?) PvPers would be QQing their hearts to bed because of that.
You lot are the worst of the worst. You cry and complain and somehow get Cryptic to think you're 99% of the playerbase when you're more like 0.9%. You're so rigid and fixed in your minds for what you need to do to insta-vape people in PvP that some new thing -- EASILY defeated by a single torp launcher -- gives you the hiccups and asthma attacks at the same time.
Instead of using your brains, adapting, and overcoming, what do you do? Cry bloody effing MURDER to get the thing nerfed into uselessness. Never mind the 99% of the game that knows how to use them and does so intelligently, and doesn't want/need/tolerate any nerfs to the thing.
Your QQing is killing all good gameplay mechanics for us PvE players.
Oh, puh-leeze... PvP is broken for SO many different reasons. The AA isn't one of them. This is just the latest FotM. Hell, if the KDF ever got a damned console that wasn't tier1 TRIBBLE (TDS, Cryptic? 180 quantum, Cryptic? What about the consoles that are worth a TRIBBLE, Cryptic? Plasma manifold, really Cryptic, really?!?! WHY?) PvPers would be QQing their hearts to bed because of that.
You lot are the worst of the worst. You cry and complain and somehow get Cryptic to think you're 99% of the playerbase when you're more like 0.9%. You're so rigid and fixed in your minds for what you need to do to insta-vape people in PvP that some new thing -- EASILY defeated by a single torp launcher -- gives you the hiccups and asthma attacks at the same time.
Instead of using your brains, adapting, and overcoming, what do you do? Cry bloody effing MURDER to get the thing nerfed into uselessness. Never mind the 99% of the game that knows how to use them and does so intelligently, and doesn't want/need/tolerate any nerfs to the thing.
Your QQing is killing all good gameplay mechanics for us PvE players.
Calm down, don't turn this into PvP vs PvE Volume 1902894310984.
From what I read, most of the posts in this thread don't seem to have much of a problem.
Oh, puh-leeze... PvP is broken for SO many different reasons. The AA isn't one of them. This is just the latest FotM. Hell, if the KDF ever got a damned console that wasn't tier1 TRIBBLE (TDS, Cryptic? 180 quantum, Cryptic? What about the consoles that are worth a TRIBBLE, Cryptic? Plasma manifold, really Cryptic, really?!?! WHY?) PvPers would be QQing their hearts to bed because of that.
You lot are the worst of the worst. You cry and complain and somehow get Cryptic to think you're 99% of the playerbase when you're more like 0.9%. You're so rigid and fixed in your minds for what you need to do to insta-vape people in PvP that some new thing -- EASILY defeated by a single torp launcher -- gives you the hiccups and asthma attacks at the same time.
Instead of using your brains, adapting, and overcoming, what do you do? Cry bloody effing MURDER to get the thing nerfed into uselessness. Never mind the 99% of the game that knows how to use them and does so intelligently, and doesn't want/need/tolerate any nerfs to the thing.
Your QQing is killing all good gameplay mechanics for us PvE players.
You're talking about the KDF faction, don't you? We Fed PvPers wanna play with this once only for evuls toy console for a long time!:D
If I am not wrong, since the episode Surface Tension, Feds and "evul Klingons" are allied, therefore in PvP queues there may be a team of Feds and KDF against another team of Feds and KDF, although not in Kerrat I guess ...
which means that a KDF should have been prepared since months to come across a few enemy AAs.
As for PvE, where would you use the aceton assimilator anyway? Not against the Borg ( wasted console spot ) , which are 99% of PvE more or less :P
Aceton Assimilators were never really intended to be spam clearers... that just ended up being a side benefit of their core functionality that we chose to accept and keep.
But we could easily make it so its AOE damage doesn't affect Targetable Torps and Mines. Even exclude Fighter Pets if we wanted to. **
Not sure that'd improve, or exacerbate the perceived problems they represent.
Honestly, they're just another tool in the hands of players. The fact that you're seeing so many of them right now is likely because the current meta-game revolves around lots of AOE Energy Weapons, instead of kinetic weaponry. In that scenario, it's a completely valid form of counterplay.
(** EDIT for clarification: These are things we could do. Not things we are planning to do, or anything like that.)
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The meta is around the new contorthing mega power creep escort. You rarely see a faw boat anymore (sometimes a scimitar) and pvp queues are all about that new ship (and recluse or palisade/wells healers). Or i was unlucky during the last 30+ games
I think the aceton and traits were ok. Maybe the 8% pen was too much, especially with that new escort, a pen aft weapon, shield pen space trait and 5 elachi DHCs ; it can kill anyting in 5s whether it has shields or not. But yeha that escort is not fine. It's basically a shuttle with 17 turn, high hull for an escort, more shields than a bortasqu' (on par with fleet cruisers), 5 tact consoles, 5 fore weapons and an amazing boff layout (minus the ensign tact but who cares?).
What's in the next lockbox? A maquis raider with 45k hull, 6 front weapons, 1.3 shield mod and 21 turn? :rolleyes:
Aceton Assimilators were never really intended to be spam clearers... that just ended up being a side benefit of their core functionality that we chose to accept and keep.
But we could easily make it so its AOE damage doesn't affect Targetable Torps and Mines. Even exclude Fighter Pets if we wanted to. **
Not sure that'd improve, or exacerbate the perceived problems they represent.
Honestly, they're just another tool in the hands of players. The fact that you're seeing so many of them right now is likely because the current meta-game revolves around lots of AOE Energy Weapons, instead of kinetic weaponry. In that scenario, it's a completely valid form of counterplay.
(** EDIT for clarification: These are things we could do. Not things we are planning to do, or anything like that.)
Sup Bort,
Thanks for replying in this thread.
Im sure I speak for the everyone when I say we appreciate a dev interacting with the PvP community in this way an hope to see more of the same.
Any idea when other faction only consoles will be available to both KDF & FED alike.
Specifically, im referring to Tachyon Detection Field
I don't think they're the end of the world but it would be cool if their cool down was tweaked a little, like a small increase. There's been a TRIBBLE load of them being spammed lately and well, it makes things a little more interesting/challenging. If they contribute to people using FAW less, I'm happy.
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lol its got nothing to do with FAW
Torps not doing it... A Gravity well will take care of them as well.
If your in an escort or cruiser with nothing but energy no sympathy from me on that one.
Also mines should take care of that, right?
Targetables...whether torps or mines...will get popped by the pulses.
PDoTs from Plasma Torps that fail to pop the AA will also...cause fun.
*High five* sci+ torp FTW.
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Why.. .AA is also a great way to control mine spam. Granted with so many of the around mines are now completely useless... so perhaps they should get adjusted that way. Don't think anyone would have an issue with that. Would make them suck more in PvE though where people use them to protect against HY projectiles. So if we get that adjust expect the "PvPers suck" threads.
Thing is...Undine poo puddles/rifts cause us damage - pets damage - etc...but they don't touch targetables.
Then there's also the two PvP weapon mods - so...there is some underlying coding there that could cover it without one of our special friends stopping by.
TS + sci abilities = clear
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
Lol Lol Lol...
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Don't do as Fred Federation does when he meets an aceton:
"Durr... ma beta a ta b Faw'll kill it!" -ship goes boom- "Oh noes!"
Do as Klever Klingon does and slap a torpedo on your ships aft!
"...aceton...what aceton?"
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Bye Bye Nukara mines then ... that flow cap bonus was tempting
While levelling up a few chars and playing in the Undine space zone, I have noticed my AAs getting destroyed soon ... now, I don't know whether because of some torps shot by the Undine or the poo puddles can damage them ... or both.
you cant take time-outs to deal with them when the rest of the team gets to shoot you while you do it
it shuts down the map, people start warping out and sitting at spawn
You lot are the worst of the worst. You cry and complain and somehow get Cryptic to think you're 99% of the playerbase when you're more like 0.9%. You're so rigid and fixed in your minds for what you need to do to insta-vape people in PvP that some new thing -- EASILY defeated by a single torp launcher -- gives you the hiccups and asthma attacks at the same time.
Instead of using your brains, adapting, and overcoming, what do you do? Cry bloody effing MURDER to get the thing nerfed into uselessness. Never mind the 99% of the game that knows how to use them and does so intelligently, and doesn't want/need/tolerate any nerfs to the thing.
Your QQing is killing all good gameplay mechanics for us PvE players.
Calm down, don't turn this into PvP vs PvE Volume 1902894310984.
From what I read, most of the posts in this thread don't seem to have much of a problem.
If I am not wrong, since the episode Surface Tension, Feds and "evul Klingons" are allied, therefore in PvP queues there may be a team of Feds and KDF against another team of Feds and KDF, although not in Kerrat I guess ...
which means that a KDF should have been prepared since months to come across a few enemy AAs.
As for PvE, where would you use the aceton assimilator anyway? Not against the Borg ( wasted console spot ) , which are 99% of PvE more or less :P
But we could easily make it so its AOE damage doesn't affect Targetable Torps and Mines. Even exclude Fighter Pets if we wanted to. **
Not sure that'd improve, or exacerbate the perceived problems they represent.
Honestly, they're just another tool in the hands of players. The fact that you're seeing so many of them right now is likely because the current meta-game revolves around lots of AOE Energy Weapons, instead of kinetic weaponry. In that scenario, it's a completely valid form of counterplay.
(** EDIT for clarification: These are things we could do. Not things we are planning to do, or anything like that.)
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
I think the aceton and traits were ok. Maybe the 8% pen was too much, especially with that new escort, a pen aft weapon, shield pen space trait and 5 elachi DHCs ; it can kill anyting in 5s whether it has shields or not. But yeha that escort is not fine. It's basically a shuttle with 17 turn, high hull for an escort, more shields than a bortasqu' (on par with fleet cruisers), 5 tact consoles, 5 fore weapons and an amazing boff layout (minus the ensign tact but who cares?).
What's in the next lockbox? A maquis raider with 45k hull, 6 front weapons, 1.3 shield mod and 21 turn? :rolleyes:
Sup Bort,
Thanks for replying in this thread.
Im sure I speak for the everyone when I say we appreciate a dev interacting with the PvP community in this way an hope to see more of the same.
Any idea when other faction only consoles will be available to both KDF & FED alike.
Specifically, im referring to Tachyon Detection Field
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1173031
And other such consoles which only 1 faction has access to...
D,
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