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STO is outdated, bring it back to life
jenkal
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Star Trek Online has been the game that has given the producers the biggest revenue out of all their games if I am correct, however (despite their excellent graphics) their game mechanics (engine?) are so outdated it's crazy. Star Trek Online could turn into an immersive game like Mass Effect, where all the characters seem alive thanks to the excellent voice acting, where the characters change their expressions instead of being simple dummy-looking figures.
What makes games so amazing is the personality of the storyline, this game has a good storyline but it lacks personality! The developpers are putting lots of hard work into this game, but most of the time the content doesn't have any personality, it looks like the developpers are just performing their job. The best thing about videogames is that under the correct leadership they can turn into a fun job, if the developpers like their job, the game turns alive.
What do you guys think?
What makes games so amazing is the personality of the storyline, this game has a good storyline but it lacks personality! The developpers are putting lots of hard work into this game, but most of the time the content doesn't have any personality, it looks like the developpers are just performing their job. The best thing about videogames is that under the correct leadership they can turn into a fun job, if the developpers like their job, the game turns alive.
What do you guys think?
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That's not how MMOs work in General ... (comparing "Mass Effect" and "STO" is no different from comparing "STO" with an Turn-Based-Strategy Game)
Gameplay > Story, any day. Good gameplay can keep me playing even if the story isn't that great. Bad gameplay makes me want to play better games.
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However mass effect puts MOST of its effort into characters and dialog, that's the sort of game it is. Not everything can or even should try to live up to the same bar. For one, even in mass effect the characters still look like plastic figurines (there's a LONG way to go before we get things that'll pass for human in a video game, there's just more bits of articulation lets just say) so any improvement in this respect in STO will only be by degrees (while requiring a huge investment on cryptics part because dialog and character animations are very time and resource intensive.) Secondly STO is a game that has its own strengths and weaknesses. Character acting is a weakness but its not one that is seriously preventing us from enjoying the game and its plot. If Cryptic starts dedicating dev teams to another character dialog update they'll be improving the game, on very simple terms, but that improvement won't be as meaningful as some other technical update that would satisfy a much more pressing need (such as an update of ship interiors, tailor options [ie. MORE], or space combat audio/visual effects.)
We have voice acting now, and mouths with more than one hinge, and that's just about all we need for STO's purposes (which are far more based around player and officer customization within an action MMO, not elaborate first person story telling. We're about the setting, not the presentation.)
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and some people are the opposite, enjoying story over gameplay.
I don't play games if theres TRIBBLE for story.
Both are neither right or wrong, it's just a matter of personal taste. The problem with MMOs is that they have to appeal as much people as possible and with that you really can't put a heavy focus on just one aspect of what makes peopel enjoy a game. STO does a decent job of keepeing everything somewhat around (mind a few balancing issues here and there) and since there's still zero info about the next supposedly big expansion there's still a lot of room for improvement on both sides of the coin.
I'd say that they're probably not going to do that, since STO as it is now is pretty successful relative to other PWE games.
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granted the game engine is 4 years out of date but the devs have tried to keep up with graphics the best they can out of this limited engine. usually anything over 5 years in computer gamers terms is like stone age technology, utterly ancient. still the game is kicking around and a good number of mmo devs that built their engines are around par with the cryptic engine v2 in some form or another to their own engine designs, but yes some are outstanding in visual terms but visuals dont mean a damn without the content to back it up.
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I agree that the look of the game is still really nice, but seriously, the game engine is far outdated and obsolete. Because its not all about how good the graphics look in some situations, its about what the game engine can do with those graphics. And right now, the game engine cant do anything more that what we already saw in these 4-5 years. And well, as i said, it doesnt matter how "cool" the graphics look if then, you cant see your own weapons firing... :P
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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Could they move the existing assets to a newer and more robust engine as part of an expansion?
IE when they launched LoR that was a big patch.
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Part of the problem would be translating the current code in the current engine to a new code and a new engine. For instance how many Powered Alien Artifacts do you have? This code may not be as clear as just, "oh you have 5," it may be extremely convoluted coding. There isn't a clear path to take inventory for every single player. This may be a very over simplified analogy but the translation would be very difficult. The only real solution would be to start over from scratch, you may be able to simplify it down to "oh you had 4 level 50s so you get these 4 base 50s." Its hard to postulate the direction that could or should be taken here.
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Yes they(WoW) are. I think their engine was more adaptable though.
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The engine does have its share of issues, just like any game engine, but for what it was built to do? It does a fantastic job. I don't think I'd call it future-proof, but I would say it's far from outdated.
different dev teams, different ideas, different goals, different engine construction and yada yada yada. thats a lot of assumptions and the engine is only the half of it.
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Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
All of which has nothing to do with the original point of the game engine being outdated. A game engine like Cryptic's engine has proven itself time and time again with each subsequent season (or game in the case of NW).
People seem to have some misconceptions that the age of a game engine determines the game's lifespan. In some cases, yes. But that's usually because the game engine itself was designed without the long-term in mind.
The Cryptic engine was designed extremely well, with long-term sustainability in mind. And games like Everquest show that even obsolete game engines (by today's technology standards) are still able to rake in a profit with new content based around it.
the other half which you have not covered is the community, engine doesnt mean anything without a strong community to back it up.
as for your claim once again, thats another assumption.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
If they was to go down that road, the better bet would be to develop a completely new game.
think there were some threads about a star trek online 2 recently. pretty much sank without a trace :rolleyes:.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
haha, at least some of you have a good sense of humor :P
Wtf you talking about?? are you playing the same game than us?? :eek:
We already had cases of weapons dissapearing even beofre S9, and after S9, some of you apparently forget all the time that the engine cant hold anything more, and you can be playing at instances where no weapons graphics are showing at all. I sometimes wonder why some of you play this game, because it looks like you guys doesnt care anymore for things that important. You should go to play mario bross and thats it. Nothing was done to "improve" graphics or make better animations or watever, so, no the engine hasnt proven itself time and time again, as you said. You are completely wrong lol. There is nothing to "prove" since we already saw millions of times (you apparently not) that the game engine is really badly damaged right now. STO is stucked in an old-very limited game engine. And the only way to "free" the game engine is to destroy , for example the exploration clusters xD. Yes, the engine has proven itself, yeah. :P
I dont doubt that 5 years ago this game engine was great and really served STO for a couple of years, but you cant keep releasing new content once YOU ALREADY KNOW the game engine reached its limits time ago. Or you re-vamp the engine, or you just close the servers. I wonder if people will still playing when the next thing to dissapear will be the enemy players or other players as well xDDD, people will not care at all, same as now, i suposse.
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