Allow the cloak console to be used on the T2 Oberth.
Role play has been satisfied and with a T2 Oberth nobody in his/her mind will try foul.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
This works... Make it so... As long as the console can only be used on the Oberth of cause.
Off course.
I have done a T2 Oberth episode run, allowing for a cloak would make enough of a difference to replay.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I wish they would develop one space map where the envirment did not all anyone to use a cloaking device................
That might be fun
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Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Shouldn't the Mirror Pegasus have some kind of "ship hardening sensor blinding mode" to be "mirror" to the Phase Cloak?
Realistically speaking it should get a hull-hardening console that makes her very tough to kill.
That would be the proper mirror version of the "U.S.S. Redshirt" -style Oberth we got to see in Star Trek III and "Hero Worship".:)
Mirror universe limitation: My suggestion here was simply that the ship and console originated in a universe other than the primary storyline. Because the universe with the Terran Empire seems to do more universe crossing than others, we tend to forget that a near infinite number of them seem to exist, as we saw in the TNG season 7 episode Parallels. (i.e. the episode just preceding the Pegasus episode.)
Even with the mirror no console issue aside, there is another way to do this that seems to get around all the arguments against it.
It occurred to me after my initial post here that another non-cloaking cloak console that was pretty close to the Pegasus idea is already out there in gamespecifically the romulan Dridthau warbird console Console - Universal Molecular Phase Inversion Field . It might actually be a little closer than the Klingon Karfi Console - Universal - Phase Shift Generator to the original Pegasus cloak idea.
So how about offering the Pegasus as a (c-store) tier 5 version of the Oberth vessel with a fed version of the molec phase inversion field console WHICH when coupled with the Oberths Enhanced Plasma Manifold creates a two item set that enables the use of a fed phased cloak?
This kind of gets around the treaty argument against the fed cloakits not an individual console that makes the cloak, its an unintended side effect of having both consoles on one ship.
This kind of gets around the treaty argument against the fed cloakits not an individual console that makes the cloak, its an unintended side effect of having both consoles on one ship.
Not really. One 'console', two 'consoles', red 'console', blue 'console', a million 'consoles' doesn't matter. The end result is still the same. CLOAKING. Irregardless of how it is gotten, or what is done to make it, or anything else, it is still a cloak.
Presuming this was a story, and it happened, I could understand that working once. As an entirely unintended and unknown side effect of certain technologies. Only once though. After that, the other powers that be would obviously know about it by that point and wouldn't accept 'well we didn't expect this' twice or more.
Also, again, what makes you think the Mirror Universe (which at the time that the Pegasus event happened in the show, the Terran Empire was long-gone still) would develop that particular technology on that particular ship? If anything they would make very different things for very different reasons. In-game example being the Temporal Science (from 'our' universe) versus the Temporal Destroyer (from the Mirror Universe). The outside shape is similar, but their foci are MUCH different. The consoles are quite different on the two ships, plus much other stuff is different, like the BOFF layout, some stats, etc.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
All treaties have loopholes which circumvent the intent of the treaty.
A good example here is the SALT II treaty that the US set up with the Soviet Union which was designed to limit the number of nuclear missiles each side could have. The loophole allowed the Soviets to develop (and deploy) multi-warhead missiles which had the same aoe damage as a dozen single warhead missiles.
as to why alternate universes would develop this, please refer to the rest of my earlier post that you obviously didn't read.
How many hits with pain sticks does this horse take to kill it?
I think we're up to "orbital reduction of target" at this point.
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Some people just don't understand the meaning of a 'dead horse'. *shrugs*
It has been discussed a lot.
Having said that, i still like my suggestion to allow for the use of the cloak console on the T2 Oberth.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
How about we rid ourselves of the trolling and focus on some of the valuable proposals in this topic.
Allow for cloak console to be used on Oberth, Mirror Phoenix class (boxed or from C-store) with build in MES.
There's room for a discussion without resorting to a troll fest.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
you never going to find a lot that will agree to more cloaks for feds and i agree with the ones who say BIG FAT NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Considering the sheer amount of requests for more federation cloaks i am inclined to disagree with your assessment.
The issue is not even the cloaks themselves, but if/how it would be integrated with the treaty of Algeron and unique features for each faction.
As for the Oberth, USS Pegasus, there is actual basis in canon to put a cloak or even a phase cloak on that vessel or on it's refit.
A decent middle ground would be to allow the usage of the cloak console on the T2 Oberth as well.
Personally i think there should be other options for the federation such as integrated MES or Refractive_shielding.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I think we're up to "orbital reduction of target" at this point.
I think it's time to nuke this thread from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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I think it's time to nuke this thread from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Look at post no 46 please.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I don't think that's even remotely likely to happen, because making a mirror Oberth will add insult to injury to all the Connie fans out there and the forum will burn in fire in months to follow.
You can't add an end-game Oberth without adding an end-game Constitution and as experience taught us, Cryptic won't touch that topic even with a 10 foot pole.
I don't think that's even remotely likely to happen, because making a mirror Oberth will add insult to injury to all the Connie fans out there and the forum will burn in fire in months to follow.
You can't add an end-game Oberth without adding an end-game Constitution and as experience taught us, Cryptic won't touch that topic even with a 10 foot pole.
I think you meant to link to the post below considering your comment.
Considering the sheer amount of requests for more federation cloaks i am inclined to disagree with your assessment.
The issue is not even the cloaks themselves, but if/how it would be integrated with the treaty of Algeron and unique features for each faction.
As for the Oberth, USS Pegasus, there is actual basis in canon to put a cloak or even a phase cloak on that vessel or on it's refit.
A decent middle ground would be to allow the usage of the cloak console on the T2 Oberth as well.
Personally i think there should be other options for the federation such as integrated MES or Refractive_shielding.
As it is, the "end game or T5" Constitution is not allowed because CBS (if memory serves me right) does not allow it.
Not to mention that the Pegasus, an Oberth class, was actually the centerpiece of a TNG episode. No CBS ban on the Oberth so no "added injury"either.
Allowing the use of the cloak console on vessels using cloak in the series should be considered.
I realize that it may be controversial to put a cloak on a Galaxy, Oberth or NX-class but since they have been shown to use them it is certainly within the realm of possibilities to add this.
But as i mentioned earlier, i would prefer different options for the federation such as integrated MES or refractive shielding.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Just Because Our Alternate Universe's Pegasus Was A Failure Our's Was The Opposite. We Have Generations Of Pegasus Conquering The Entire Universe
In The Name Of The Empire.
Don't get me wrong, i like this topic and the suggestions in it, but i am uncertain what this latest remark brings to the discussion.
1 day later and it would have been a necro post: >30 days since last post.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Mirror universe limitation: My suggestion here was simply that the ship and console originated in a universe other than the primary storyline. Because the universe with the Terran Empire seems to do more universe crossing than others, we tend to forget that a near infinite number of them seem to exist, as we saw in the TNG season 7 episode Parallels. (i.e. the episode just preceding the Pegasus episode.)
Even with the mirror no console issue aside, there is another way to do this that seems to get around all the arguments against it.
It occurred to me after my initial post here that another non-cloaking cloak console that was pretty close to the Pegasus idea is already out there in gamespecifically the romulan Dridthau warbird console Console - Universal Molecular Phase Inversion Field . It might actually be a little closer than the Klingon Karfi Console - Universal - Phase Shift Generator to the original Pegasus cloak idea.
So how about offering the Pegasus as a (c-store) tier 5 version of the Oberth vessel with a fed version of the molec phase inversion field console WHICH when coupled with the Oberths Enhanced Plasma Manifold creates a two item set that enables the use of a fed phased cloak?
This kind of gets around the treaty argument against the fed cloakits not an individual console that makes the cloak, its an unintended side effect of having both consoles on one ship.
There is no more "treaty" regarding Federation cloaking. That went out the window in 2399 when the Khitomer Accords broke down, and Starfleet started deploying Galaxy-X and Vigilant Class starships, which are cloak capable.
Anyway, don't expect rational debate on this topic. The cultists and hardcore fanatics among the KDF fanbase will just shout you down with asinine posts about "dead horses" and "FEDZ STEELIN OUR STUFFZ".
Anyway, I've said all I'm gonna say on this topic. Good luck, OP. And peace, out.
Just Because Our Alternate Universe's Pegasus Was A Failure Our's Was The Opposite. We Have Generations Of Pegasus Conquering The Entire Universe
In The Name Of The Empire.
Be Kind To All???
Long Live The Empire.
Just because we live in an infinite multiverse doesn't mean we can TRIBBLE them ALL up!
As I've said before, this is a thinly veiled attempt to get Feds cloaking devices which the devs have already been though this.
Anyway, don't expect rational debate on this topic. The cultists and hardcore fanatics among the KDF fanbase will just shout you down with asinine posts about "dead horses" and "FEDZ STEELIN OUR STUFFZ".
*chuckles* Or in other words, 'Ignore any rational arguments that they might make because they are all 'fanboys''.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
But what if I want a Fleet Excelsior that has Phase Cloak with shields up and that can fire while cloaked while flying through asteroids, planets, and stuff and have a battle cloak?
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Allow the cloak console to be used on the T2 Oberth.
Role play has been satisfied and with a T2 Oberth nobody in his/her mind will try foul.
This works... Make it so... As long as the console can only be used on the Oberth of cause.
Off course.
I have done a T2 Oberth episode run, allowing for a cloak would make enough of a difference to replay.
At the very least the KDF should have access to a universal cloaking console that can be slotted on all KDF vessels that do not have innate cloaking
That might be fun
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Realistically speaking it should get a hull-hardening console that makes her very tough to kill.
That would be the proper mirror version of the "U.S.S. Redshirt" -style Oberth we got to see in Star Trek III and "Hero Worship".:)
Even with the mirror no console issue aside, there is another way to do this that seems to get around all the arguments against it.
It occurred to me after my initial post here that another non-cloaking cloak console that was pretty close to the Pegasus idea is already out there in gamespecifically the romulan Dridthau warbird console Console - Universal Molecular Phase Inversion Field . It might actually be a little closer than the Klingon Karfi Console - Universal - Phase Shift Generator to the original Pegasus cloak idea.
So how about offering the Pegasus as a (c-store) tier 5 version of the Oberth vessel with a fed version of the molec phase inversion field console WHICH when coupled with the Oberths Enhanced Plasma Manifold creates a two item set that enables the use of a fed phased cloak?
This kind of gets around the treaty argument against the fed cloakits not an individual console that makes the cloak, its an unintended side effect of having both consoles on one ship.
Not really. One 'console', two 'consoles', red 'console', blue 'console', a million 'consoles' doesn't matter. The end result is still the same. CLOAKING. Irregardless of how it is gotten, or what is done to make it, or anything else, it is still a cloak.
Presuming this was a story, and it happened, I could understand that working once. As an entirely unintended and unknown side effect of certain technologies. Only once though. After that, the other powers that be would obviously know about it by that point and wouldn't accept 'well we didn't expect this' twice or more.
Also, again, what makes you think the Mirror Universe (which at the time that the Pegasus event happened in the show, the Terran Empire was long-gone still) would develop that particular technology on that particular ship? If anything they would make very different things for very different reasons. In-game example being the Temporal Science (from 'our' universe) versus the Temporal Destroyer (from the Mirror Universe). The outside shape is similar, but their foci are MUCH different. The consoles are quite different on the two ships, plus much other stuff is different, like the BOFF layout, some stats, etc.
A good example here is the SALT II treaty that the US set up with the Soviet Union which was designed to limit the number of nuclear missiles each side could have. The loophole allowed the Soviets to develop (and deploy) multi-warhead missiles which had the same aoe damage as a dozen single warhead missiles.
as to why alternate universes would develop this, please refer to the rest of my earlier post that you obviously didn't read.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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It has been discussed a lot.
Having said that, i still like my suggestion to allow for the use of the cloak console on the T2 Oberth.
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http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
Allow for cloak console to be used on Oberth, Mirror Phoenix class (boxed or from C-store) with build in MES.
There's room for a discussion without resorting to a troll fest.
system Lord Baal is dead
Considering the sheer amount of requests for more federation cloaks i am inclined to disagree with your assessment.
The issue is not even the cloaks themselves, but if/how it would be integrated with the treaty of Algeron and unique features for each faction.
As for the Oberth, USS Pegasus, there is actual basis in canon to put a cloak or even a phase cloak on that vessel or on it's refit.
A decent middle ground would be to allow the usage of the cloak console on the T2 Oberth as well.
Personally i think there should be other options for the federation such as integrated MES or Refractive_shielding.
I think it's time to nuke this thread from Orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Look at post no 46 please.
I don't think that's even remotely likely to happen, because making a mirror Oberth will add insult to injury to all the Connie fans out there and the forum will burn in fire in months to follow.
You can't add an end-game Oberth without adding an end-game Constitution and as experience taught us, Cryptic won't touch that topic even with a 10 foot pole.
I think you meant to link to the post below considering your comment.
As it is, the "end game or T5" Constitution is not allowed because CBS (if memory serves me right) does not allow it.
Not to mention that the Pegasus, an Oberth class, was actually the centerpiece of a TNG episode. No CBS ban on the Oberth so no "added injury"either.
Allowing the use of the cloak console on vessels using cloak in the series should be considered.
I realize that it may be controversial to put a cloak on a Galaxy, Oberth or NX-class but since they have been shown to use them it is certainly within the realm of possibilities to add this.
But as i mentioned earlier, i would prefer different options for the federation such as integrated MES or refractive shielding.
system Lord Baal is dead
Just Because Our Alternate Universe's Pegasus Was A Failure Our's Was The Opposite. We Have Generations Of Pegasus Conquering The Entire Universe
In The Name Of The Empire.
Be Kind To All???
Long Live The Empire.
1 day later and it would have been a necro post: >30 days since last post.
There is no more "treaty" regarding Federation cloaking. That went out the window in 2399 when the Khitomer Accords broke down, and Starfleet started deploying Galaxy-X and Vigilant Class starships, which are cloak capable.
Anyway, don't expect rational debate on this topic. The cultists and hardcore fanatics among the KDF fanbase will just shout you down with asinine posts about "dead horses" and "FEDZ STEELIN OUR STUFFZ".
Anyway, I've said all I'm gonna say on this topic. Good luck, OP. And peace, out.
That's exactly what it brought to the discussion.
Just because we live in an infinite multiverse doesn't mean we can TRIBBLE them ALL up!
As I've said before, this is a thinly veiled attempt to get Feds cloaking devices which the devs have already been though this.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
*chuckles* Or in other words, 'Ignore any rational arguments that they might make because they are all 'fanboys''.
But what if I want a Fleet Excelsior that has Phase Cloak with shields up and that can fire while cloaked while flying through asteroids, planets, and stuff and have a battle cloak?