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Defiant Revamp

schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
edited June 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
This is a simple Yay or Nay pole to revamp the Defiant in the following way.
Change the ensign tac boff slot into an ensign universal.

4 yays 2 nays.
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  • schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yay for revamp.
  • blevokblevok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    that ensign tac slot is exactly what i want to be there. but, i do believe that every ship should have one universal ensign slot.
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    5 fore weapons, 2 aft.

    Charged cloak, charges on cloak allow it to cloak in combat. The charges refill once per minute.

    Ensign universal

    That outta do it
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  • schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yay and nay count will be posted on the first thread.
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Nay.:cool:
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  • schmedickeschmedicke Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Please keep it a simple yay or nay then any additional suggestions.
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    1. Polls are against forum rules

    2.Continuous self bumping is against forum rules

    3. Why not just edit your original post with how many yay/nay and the post count?

    4. Not enough people will care about the defiant to get someone to take notice.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I would want:

    -Two-piece cloak/quad cannon set bonus
    -The Sao Paulo type-6 hull available for all Tac Escorts, or at least the Vigilant/Valiant refits if you own the Sao Paulo
    -Absolutely NO BOFF/console configuration change
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Sure, an Ensign Universal seems reasonable enough to me.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Well I can't answer untill you've specified what changes you consider to be nessacary.
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  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    At least, make it far better than the bug ship. Its embarrasing to see the bug ship performing better than the Defiant, ridiculous. Well the problem here, is that the bug ship shoudnt have all those attack skills and weapon slots. The jem hadar attack ship was never more powerful than a mid class escort. And definitely not as powerful as the Defiant. But who cares anymore, there are so many weird things in this game lol.
  • theindefatigabletheindefatigable Member Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yea. Also, a 2-pc. "set bonus" like the Ar'kif's might be good, and possibly some other tweak to bring the ship in line with power creep and give it the flexibility to be more competitive versus other escorts available today.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I say no, there are other ships that need a revamp more than the defiant. I mean out of the hero ships it's still the most combat capable and effective.

    If any FED ships needs a revamp, it's the intrepid. It's so far outclassed it's not even funny. I think that ship should get the very first Aux dual Beam Bank. and making a 4/3 weapons setup. Sorry intrepid is so outclassed it needs another weapon slot and no it should not be completely taken like the DSD's cannons.

    It should be a full out 4/3 ship. How you get it back in the game.

    And on the KDF side, can we say "where are the raptors?"

    Sorry more ships in this game than the Defiant that need a revamp, or in the case of the raptors, Introduction into the game at tier 5.
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,694 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    I say no, there are other ships that need a revamp more than the defiant. I mean out of the hero ships it's still the most combat capable and effective.

    If any FED ships needs a revamp, it's the intrepid. It's so far outclassed it's not even funny. I think that ship should get the very first Aux dual Beam Bank. and making a 4/3 weapons setup. Sorry intrepid is so outclassed it needs another weapon slot and no it should not be completely taken like the DSD's cannons.

    It should be a full out 4/3 ship. How you get it back in the game.

    And on the KDF side, can we say "where are the raptors?"

    Sorry more ships in this game than the Defiant that need a revamp, or in the case of the raptors, Introduction into the game at tier 5.

    no, there is nothing wrong with 3/3, however there should be a tac LCDR at minimum, or twin tac LT slots, make the armor integrated, not a console
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    annemarie30 wrote: »
    no, there is nothing wrong with 3/3, however there should be a tac LCDR at minimum, or twin tac LT slots, make the armor integrated, not a console

    still didn't say yay or nay on the aux DBB specificially for the Intrepid.
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  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,694 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    oh, absolutely yes to aux beam arrays and or DBB
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Aye! Damn It Aye!!
  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yes to Ensign TAC to Ensign Universal.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Universal ensign would be appropriate given that the Fleet Patrol Escort, which used to have that boff layout, has since been updated. Someone pointed that out to me on another thread about the Defiant and I agree with it.

    But I want a revamp of the Defiant to go a bit further, and give it the 10% bonus shield mod that the Fleet version currently lacks. It is, AFAIK, the only Fleet level ship to lack that shield bonus, and it makes no sense.

    Should some of the other ship classes as old as the Defiant get revamped? You bet. Is the Defiant still effective even without the proposed revamp? Sure. But you can't tell me that the absence of a shield mod makes any sense, because it doesn't.
  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yay

    But keep in mind that revamping the Defiant is most likely very low on the list of things Cryptic wants to do. Also, if they revamp the Defiant, they will do whatever they want to do and not listen to our suggestions as they did with the Galaxy.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Mang, way to be a kill joy :V
  • skonnskonn Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    stofsk wrote: »
    Universal ensign would be appropriate given that the Fleet Patrol Escort, which used to have that boff layout, has since been updated. Someone pointed that out to me on another thread about the Defiant and I agree with it.

    But I want a revamp of the Defiant to go a bit further, and give it the 10% bonus shield mod that the Fleet version currently lacks. It is, AFAIK, the only Fleet level ship to lack that shield bonus, and it makes no sense.

    Should some of the other ship classes as old as the Defiant get revamped? You bet. Is the Defiant still effective even without the proposed revamp? Sure. But you can't tell me that the absence of a shield mod makes any sense, because it doesn't.

    QFT

    Yay from me. I love the attitude of some of the nayers: "I don't want it, so nobody gets it. WAH!"
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    skonn wrote: »
    QFT

    Yay from me. I love the attitude of some of the nayers: "I don't want it, so nobody gets it. WAH!"

    So it's wrong to have an opinion that differs from your own, despite the OP even asking for 'nays' as well?



    For me, I say Nay to this.

    Not because i want another ship to be buffed instead, but because I think that a lot of people equate 'outclassed' as being the same as 'obsoleted'. Is the Defiant outclassed by some newer designs? Yes it is. BUT...is the Defiant absolutely worthless in any situation? Not at all, it is still a good ship. You can make any ship work in PvE if you are willing to try, PvP of course is a much different story.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    sle1989 wrote: »
    Yay

    But keep in mind that revamping the Defiant is most likely very low on the list of things Cryptic wants to do. Also, if they revamp the Defiant, they will do whatever they want to do and not listen to our suggestions as they did with the Galaxy.
    Probably because they actually want to fix the game, rather than put a band-aid on a 3rd-degree burn.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    How about before we revamp the defiant, which is still a decent ship mind you, we revamp some of the Klingons raptors/destroyers? All of them are almost identical except for slight stat difference and their ensign slots...including the Qin which has the same boff layout but only four tac consoles.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    How about before we revamp the defiant, which is still a decent ship mind you, we revamp some of the Klingons raptors/destroyers? All of them are almost identical except for slight stat difference and their ensign slots...including the Qin which has the same boff layout but only four tac consoles.

    ^ This. Or the fact it still doesn't have any real raptors after the RA and none for zen at tier 5.
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  • rast1qqrast1qq Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yay

    My idea: Quad cannon + cloak = set bonus BattleCloak :D

    LtC tac to LtC universal and ensign tac to ensing universal or LtC and ensign tac to second commander Tac ;) HAAAX
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    annemarie30 wrote: »
    oh, absolutely yes to aux beam arrays and or DBB

    A huge hell no for more Aux Weapons.
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  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    A huge hell no for more Aux Weapons.

    Yeah, people keep trying to break the game even more.. sigh.
  • theindefatigabletheindefatigable Member Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I still have a pretty effective Intrepid build for PvP. I don't think any of my Defiant builds, however, at this point are really worth bringing to PvE or PvP in light of other ships that are available to me and can do just about anything the Defiant does but better (unless you really want that cloak). There are ships that can out-tank the Defiant while also doing more dps. The Defiant IS maneuverable, but the boff layout negates that advantage.
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