Finally, for those that have been playing this game a while, remember when doing any stf needed real teamwork and coordination, 10% rules? Kang duty was actually hard and needed and escort to have the required DPS or a good healer to keep Kang alive, when a 10k dps escort was a real good pilot and most cruiser pilot rarely cracked 3k dps? Power creep and dumbed down NPC is making most mission a breeze and min/maxing is not required anymore.
I posted something like this in a thread about brute-forcing everything. Who cares about planning, healing, support, when you can just DAKKA through everything without any consequences?
And yes, I remember. I remember the sigh of relieve when someone used team chat to state he had Kang, and actually guarded Kang perfectly. I remember the utter scramble when someone blew a generator early in ISE. I carried a GW1 and sometimes even a TBR on my Hegh'ta (lol) for exactly that reason. I would shout 'HERE COMES CAPTAIN CROWD CONTROL', dump GW1 on the spheres and TRIBBLE Theta Radiation on them.
The flipside, however, is that the forums back then were littered with posts complaining about teammates not using team chat to use strategy. STF's could be frustrating because folks lacked communication and power. Now, we've reached the other side of the spectrum where tactics and communication are irrelevant. Zone in, PEW PEW PEW, get reward, zone out. Boring, .
I ran - yes, ran - a FaW scimitar on Marcellus. For a while, it was fun blasting through everything in record time. Quickly, however, I got bored. The NPC's in this game already pose little to no threat - unless my FPS takes another plummet below 1 fps and I just die from inactivity - and *to me* that's no fun. Make no mistake: I'm not telling anyone they're doing it wrong when they try to push their boat to the maximum, DPS wise. I have a lot of respect for the guy that posted the 30k damage Sci Oddy in the Federation Shipyard. I actually learned something. I saw the kind of synergy he got with his mixing and matching of different items and doffs. It's just not for me.
I toned down my DAKKA scimitar. I went back to DHC's - still stupidly powerful - and added a torpedo, something that was always considered herecy to the dps gods. It takes a lot more piloting skill - still limited, fixed NPC spawns, so you know how to pilot quickly enough - and you end up with less dps, but I enjoy it more.
In the end, I think, for me, the problem is that most FaW blasting DPS boats are *always* powerful. That's why I'm having so much fun with my Torpedo boats. It takes a good bit of planning, gearing, and timing to do a good attack run. After that, you have some downtime to your effectiveness. Well, I do, anyway. There's just something glorious about going for one of the spawns in Azure Nebula and whiping out all the Tholians in one pass. It takes more than just 1) fly up 2) decloak 3) lol FaW. And you can't do it none-stop.
Isaac the Adequate - Level 70 Oath of Devotion Paladin
My build is in my sig if you care to look. I've worked hard for it since I only play about 3-4 hours a week (sometimes more depending on the situation). I like where the ship and toon is going in terms of gear.
For the record, I don't believe in "grinding" to keep up with the Jones' or be "uber". I play what I want, when I want and for that I am having fun playing the game.
didn't know that below average gear and average boff setup had the monopoly on fun in STO...gotta try it.
In real life when i have to choose between an average meal and an excellent meal, i allways go for the average...it is so much more fun [/sarcasm]
Oh my! Such nastiness! Now I suppose I have properly chastised in public. So I'll just hang a great big "Average" sign between my nacelles so all the STO Community can see. Thank you so very much for reminding me of my place. Much appreciated. Please, Sir. may I have another?
Gotta love these passive aggressive types. Wait all day for a chance to pounce on someone, they do. Oh well. As long as you're bothering me, you're leaving decent people alone. And as long as you're in here feverishly scrolling for your next victim, you're not ingame bothering people there either.
Win win for me.
BTW, is the above average or excellent sarcasm? Seeing how you are the self annointed expert around here on nearly everything your opinion is highly sought after concerning this oh-so-important topic. Wouldn't want to use ordinary sarcasm on such a self important person after all. That just would. Not. Do.
P.S. I find Spell Check to be most helpful. Especially for words I use all the time. And you might want to brush up on those rules about whether or not one is supposed to use a capital I rather than lower case. After all, English is such a simple language sometimes, isn't it?
In case you missed it, why yes, I AM mocking you. But think of this as return fire. The straight variety.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Oh my! Such nastiness! Now I suppose I have properly chastised in public. So I'll just hang a great big "Average" sign between my nacelles so all the STO Community can see. Thank you so very much for reminding me of my place. Much appreciated. Please, Sir. may I have another?
Gotta love these passive aggressive types. Wait all day for a chance to pounce on someone, they do. Oh well. As long as you're bothering me, you're leaving decent people alone. And as long as you're in here feverishly scrolling for your next victim, you're not ingame bothering people there either.
Win win for me.
BTW, is the above average or excellent sarcasm? Seeing how you are the self annointed expert around here on nearly everything your opinion is highly sought after concerning this oh-so-important topic. Wouldn't want to use ordinary sarcasm on such a self important person after all. That just would. Not. Do.
P.S. I find Spell Check to be most helpful. Especially for words I use all the time. And you might want to brush up on those rules about whether or not one is supposed to use a capital I rather than lower case. After all, English is such a simple language sometimes, isn't it?
In case you missed it, why yes, I AM mocking you. But think of this as return fire. The straight variety.
Just wanted to kind of post a reminder - that my goal with this thread was not about advocating a certain path to fun or type of fun over any other fun that one might have in the game. Different folks enjoy different things - some folks even enjoy multiple things. There could be somebody with optimized PvP and PvE builds that still has an average build they find to be fun.
IMHO, we've reached a point in gearing/power with the game - there's just more room to dork around with some of the fun builds and things we might have avoided in the past.
Heck, it's like the talk about rainbow builds, eh?
Before the Advanced Tactical Consoles, a VR Mk XII "Specific" console provided +30% damage strength while a "Generic" provided +20%. That was a 10% difference between say a Disruptor console and a Beam console...per console. Well, I guess it's not a "was" - they're still that way. But with the Advanced Tactical Consoles - the "Specific" went to 31.9% while the "Generic" went to 27.9%. Went from a +10% difference per console to a +4% difference per console. Now obviously if somebody is trying to maximize their damage, they're going to go "Specific" - but somebody that's perhaps looking for a little disco action - it's not as bad as it was. I mean, 4x consoles was losing 40% damage strength...with ATVx consoles, it's only losing +16%. I'm not suggesting rainbow builds...I'm just saying, they're not as "bad" as they were.
For somebody that might have run mixed torps - the addition was pretty awesome, eh?
Does that mean you need them? Nah, not in this thread - it just means they're an option there, right?
Kind of like Fleet Shields with [Adapt]...well, there's that new T4 Counter-Command Rep Trait, eh? Hrmmm, opens up some additional options for some folks to look at set bonuses, eh? Or they can stack it - or they can run something else.
It's just that there's so much available, imho, that we can do all sorts of things and potentially have more fun doing so than we could previously. Things where we might have wanted to hide from the public cause of not wanting the ridicule (cause even though we denied it, it still kind of mattered on some level)...we can set our fun to Wheeeeeee Factor 10 and have a blast.
But all sorts of folks are going to have all sorts of fun in different ways...my goal with the thread was just to show some of us just like to fly stuff we find fun, things that aren't necessarily optimized out the wahzoo. Not that there's anything wrong with those builds in the least...just that it's a game, eh? It's entertainment...have some fun. If that's what you want, roll with it! If you want to hit up PvP, roll with it! If you think a Borg'd out Marauder with Elite Scorps could be fun...then take a look at what you could do with some sort of build and roll with it!
I like this thread, having fun playing with a particular built is more rewarding than most anything else. I may or may not be a better pilot than you but your knowledge of the mechanic and inner working of this game is much greater than me. But knowledge with having fun is even better. The game is a game and should not only be a mean to accumulate whatever you need to be better than everyone else. I have toons that easily pass 20k dps, I could apply on those qualifying missions to be part of the 20k channel but haven't bothered and most likely will not too. Here why.
I've been told in a few Red Alert in sector space that I was no fun to have around, most things were dead before they could shoot even a few shots, that I was taking all the challenge and fun out of it. Didn't think much of it until I went into a pugmade team shortly after one instance with a couple scimitars. I had my sci torp boat and my science toon, plasma torp built. Opening cube and sphere, basically none of my torpedos hit anything but warp core breach. Go right a few hits but not much to do since everything melted so fast, one scimi was very low on health, I heal him and get a mouthfull as thanks because I ruined his GDF .
Getting to the point, those 2 Scimitar took out any kind of fun and challenge out of that missions. I just got to use GW so they could kill everything even faster and get to the next mission hoping it would be more fun and actually have some to do other than use GW to make everything disappear faster by someone else. Sure I got a few hits and still contributed around 4-5k but I was left like, where's the fun in that. I understood what those other ppl were meaning when saying that I was no fun with my high dps toons and ships, I understood what they were on about. You go in to kill enemy just to have you torpedo spread hit a bunch of warp core breach and your energy weapons hardly hit anything at all, because someone got there first and killed everything in record time. In the end it makes it an empty victory even if its a successful mission.
Its fun to weee!!! too. The important thing is, you don't need to have killer builts to have fun and should not have to have one to be part of any team and have a meaningful experience, white MK X weapons will do enough damage to do any contents and have fun. Too much dps can be detrimental to the fun of someone else playing with you. Not everything is a race and we don't need high dps built to complete any content in this game.
I could optimize my built to have even more dps but what for? Bragging right? I don't need that. Kill everything even faster, I can already kill things fast enough to annoy other ppl with some of my toons.
Finally, for those that have been playing this game a while, remember when doing any stf needed real teamwork and coordination, 10% rules? Kang duty was actually hard and needed and escort to have the required DPS or a good healer to keep Kang alive, when a 10k dps escort was a real good pilot and most cruiser pilot rarely cracked 3k dps? Power creep and dumbed down NPC is making most mission a breeze and min/maxing is not required anymore.
Good thread
Greetings Captains,
I love how you almost EXACTLY described how I felt before. I was also getting obsessed with getting my DPS up but the higher it got the more fun was absent?
To the OP, I had more fun when I was levelling my toons and getting the TRIBBLE beat out of me in STF's.
That is why I created the Star Trek Battles channel. Teamwork is EXACTLY what we go for! We work together, we cross heal and have fun doing so. We aim for 3 - 7k DPS with 5K being the sweet spot. The missions that stand out in my mind are KASE with only 14 seconds left in the optional we finished it and or cure... 7 seconds I believe for that one.
Fun can be had but with the power creep we have to make the game what we want it to be.
For my reply to the OP. MY fun build is trying to go for screen accuracy. I go 1 array and 3 torps fore and aft and with the Boff abilities I try to keep them for single target attacks as opposed to mulitple.
I invite ALL to try STB out and bring their fun builds there.... there is a condition though, the fun in STB is trying to keep Star Trek in mind... all the guidelines and more information can be found in my signiture.
Maybe the term "suboptimal" or "non-optimal" might be better choice of words. "Average" might not apply, since we probably don't really know what average DPS is. (Okay, maybe we do in PvP.)
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
Oh my! Such nastiness! Now I suppose I have properly chastised in public. So I'll just hang a great big "Average" sign between my nacelles so all the STO Community can see. Thank you so very much for reminding me of my place. Much appreciated. Please, Sir. may I have another?
Gotta love these passive aggressive types. Wait all day for a chance to pounce on someone, they do. Oh well. As long as you're bothering me, you're leaving decent people alone. And as long as you're in here feverishly scrolling for your next victim, you're not ingame bothering people there either.
Win win for me.
BTW, is the above average or excellent sarcasm? Seeing how you are the self annointed expert around here on nearly everything your opinion is highly sought after concerning this oh-so-important topic. Wouldn't want to use ordinary sarcasm on such a self important person after all. That just would. Not. Do.
P.S. I find Spell Check to be most helpful. Especially for words I use all the time. And you might want to brush up on those rules about whether or not one is supposed to use a capital I rather than lower case. After all, English is such a simple language sometimes, isn't it?
In case you missed it, why yes, I AM mocking you. But think of this as return fire. The straight variety.
the best wins are always the ones self declared! especially using arguments that don't even relate to the topic of my post.
on the spellcheck: you shouldn't anoint yourself as the supreme grammernazi, and then make a "booboo" yourself.
while i agree that english is a simple language to learn, both written and spoken, it is certainly harder if you are not living in a country where english is the official language. Calling someone out on, what i would call, insignificant spelling errors makes you not only look tremendously smug, but it also illustrates your inability to counter an argument with topical issues.
Even worse if you fail at spelling yourself, as you did.
Personaly i feel flattered, because you obviously thought i was a native english speaker. So i take that broadside at my english spelling as a complement. Thank you!
Seeing how you are the self annointed expert around here on nearly everything your opinion is highly sought after concerning this oh-so-important topic. Wouldn't want to use ordinary sarcasm on such a self important person after all. That just would. Not. Do.
It is the very nature of a forum that people give their opinion on a subject, whether or not they have been asked for it. If you can't handle criticism on your opinion, you shouldn't post at all.
I like the term "self important person" especially coming from a guy that stated:
More people need to be reminded more often we're supposed to play this game for the fun of it. Which was your intent, I am pretty sure.
I take it from that statement that you are under the impression that many people play STO not for fun anymore. This is not only a rather ignorant assumption by itself, but it also implies that there is, at least for you, a "right" or "fun" way to play.
So, no thank you, i do not need to be reminded how you would like me to have fun in STO.
i guess the "mocking game" is on, lets have some "fun"...
This is all of my builds anymore. Check the sig. I'd be having a lot less fun if I just went with the "best" weaponry, especially since I build for looks and hate using non-faction weapons. I do still use fleet defensive gear, since I have more fun not blowing up to all the BS instakills and spam in this game. To start, here's my absolute favorite ship I fly right now:
Do you notice the Incubation slow working in tandem with the R-TBR? I'd wondered about doing something like that with a Risian Love Boat...working the "group hug" angle, heh.
Heh, the last time I took Nivuh into Ker'rat with her B'rel, it was kind of a trip. I asked folks in zone how they managed to keep her alive - I had really wanted to go for a smoke, so I was just flying around in all sorts of odd circles almost to the point of motion sickness figuring that I'd get slaughtered...and could go for a smoke.
So I cloaked off to the side, and thought about how cool that was while outside. Came back in, charged back in to have another go at it...and I don't think the DHC's finished their first cycle before I was looking at the Respawn window, lol. It was a trip.
Do you notice the Incubation slow working in tandem with the R-TBR? I'd wondered about doing something like that with a Risian Love Boat...working the "group hug" angle, heh.
That was kinda my plan as even with all the Mine RCS, EPtE and Hydro it's still feels slow.
In PvE npc get pulled to me nicely and the incubation is procing quite often, I don't think it's ready for PvP just yet.
Thinking of dropping some of the uni console for some Embassy Part Gens but then I'd probably of been better off going Rom Plasma :-(
I'm currently running my Armitage as a semi-torpedo boat (photons of course). It's got a quite a decent spike for PvE stuff...and it's fun to play. Like many said before: PvE is easy enough that you can try some unconventional things and still succeed.
Frankly, I've been loving my Fed Tac's Fleet Gal-X. It's outfitted with all eight 8472 Counter Command space pieces and packs quite a nice punch. True, 4.7k DPS equals light breeze for those who push ~60k DPS, but hell, it's a fun ship and I love it!
Frankly, I've been loving my Fed Tac's Fleet Gal-X. It's outfitted with all eight 8472 Counter Command space pieces and packs quite a nice punch. True, 4.7k DPS equals light breeze for those who push ~60k DPS, but hell, it's a fun ship and I love it!
Heh, I'm addicted to the Green on my Guramba, though it's only going to be 7 pieces because of running the 3pc Silent Enemy for the Green Haywire globes...lol.
Running a pair of Rare Beam EWOs, so my FAW3 cycle is about 2.5s off what it was rotating the pair of FAW2...and gave up the TS1 for the Grav Photons. It took a hit in it's personal DPS, but it was nifty seeing the DPS of other folks going up.
It wasn't getting anywhere in that aspect on its own anyway, but it's kind of nifty adding to the support role it was kind of playing.
There's all sorts of things wrong with the skill build as well as here and there...as far as the DPS goes, that could be improved - even for my desire for average DPS - but I think I'm going to keep tweaking it toward that support type of thing.
Since I just PUG...it's kind of nifty to try to get things running smooth for everybody.
Heh, I always ran my Kar'fi with DHC's. Sure, not the easiest ship to pilot for DHC's, but it was fun.
Also, toning down my Scimitar going from FaW to DHC's hasn't really worked. I got sucked into the 'MOAR DAKKA' again, and am pulling crazy numbers with CSV1 and TS3. However, it's still a lot more fun that the FaW scimi. There's just something glorious about doing a Scimitar power slide and blasting the spheres coming out of the ISE gate while traveling past them going sideways.
I did get a Norgh for Julius, though, because my Bird-of-Prey collection was incomplete. Running some A2B/A2D hybrid with BO3. Not the most effective for PvE, but it's fun piloting a 130 degree/sec turn ship. Have to get that Flanking bonus, yo.
Isaac the Adequate - Level 70 Oath of Devotion Paladin
Heh, I always ran my Kar'fi with DHC's. Sure, not the easiest ship to pilot for DHC's, but it was fun.
Heh, I couldn't even run Cannons on the Kar'Fi. That was the original goal with it - 180s up front with turrets aft...but I turned worse in the Kar'Fi than in a Vo'Quv...meh.
@skollulfr & @ussboleyn, heh - all sorts of fun to be had in the Corvette (yeah, I still capitalize the C - it's a ship type, don't care about the Chevy rumors!)...I ran a ship called Trans Bam for a wee while on Willard, was definitely a trip.
didn't know that below average gear and average boff setup had the monopoly on fun in STO...gotta try it.
In real life when i have to choose between an average meal and an excellent meal, i allways go for the average...it is so much more fun [/sarcasm]
We will have a magnificent garden party.....and you're not invited :D:D:cool:
Heh, I've got a definite fondness for torps. Torp Negh'Var was kind of a trip. Torp D'deridex really pushed my piloting skills. I tried a Torp Bortas once...once...lol.
I have no idea of the DPS, but my current fun ship is a Mirror Somraw Raptor Refit (Undine Lockbox). I wanted to mess with Refracting Tetryons on a Raptor, but I also wanted to incorporate Gravity Well and Cannon Scatter Volley. The Mirror Somraw lets me use GW1 and C:SV3. I also picked up the Apex Predator set from the lobi store during the recent lobi sale.
Now I use GW1, C:SV3 and follow up with a Snipe Shot. It meets my personal level of "kills fast enough" so it makes me happy.
"Over-running" a target with the tethered mines also makes me smile. "And you fail to realize my ship is dragging mines!".
I like this thread, having fun playing with a particular built is more rewarding than most anything else. I may or may not be a better pilot than you but your knowledge of the mechanic and inner working of this game is much greater than me. But knowledge with having fun is even better. The game is a game and should not only be a mean to accumulate whatever you need to be better than everyone else. I have toons that easily pass 20k dps, I could apply on those qualifying missions to be part of the 20k channel but haven't bothered and most likely will not too. Here why.
I've been told in a few Red Alert in sector space that I was no fun to have around, most things were dead before they could shoot even a few shots, that I was taking all the challenge and fun out of it. Didn't think much of it until I went into a pugmade team shortly after one instance with a couple scimitars. I had my sci torp boat and my science toon, plasma torp built. Opening cube and sphere, basically none of my torpedos hit anything but warp core breach. Go right a few hits but not much to do since everything melted so fast, one scimi was very low on health, I heal him and get a mouthfull as thanks because I ruined his GDF .
Getting to the point, those 2 Scimitar took out any kind of fun and challenge out of that missions. I just got to use GW so they could kill everything even faster and get to the next mission hoping it would be more fun and actually have some to do other than use GW to make everything disappear faster by someone else. Sure I got a few hits and still contributed around 4-5k but I was left like, where's the fun in that. I understood what those other ppl were meaning when saying that I was no fun with my high dps toons and ships, I understood what they were on about. You go in to kill enemy just to have you torpedo spread hit a bunch of warp core breach and your energy weapons hardly hit anything at all, because someone got there first and killed everything in record time. In the end it makes it an empty victory even if its a successful mission.
Its fun to weee!!! too. The important thing is, you don't need to have killer builts to have fun and should not have to have one to be part of any team and have a meaningful experience, white MK X weapons will do enough damage to do any contents and have fun. Too much dps can be detrimental to the fun of someone else playing with you. Not everything is a race and we don't need high dps built to complete any content in this game.
I could optimize my built to have even more dps but what for? Bragging right? I don't need that. Kill everything even faster, I can already kill things fast enough to annoy other ppl with some of my toons.
Finally, for those that have been playing this game a while, remember when doing any stf needed real teamwork and coordination, 10% rules? Kang duty was actually hard and needed and escort to have the required DPS or a good healer to keep Kang alive, when a 10k dps escort was a real good pilot and most cruiser pilot rarely cracked 3k dps? Power creep and dumbed down NPC is making most mission a breeze and min/maxing is not required anymore.
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I posted something like this in a thread about brute-forcing everything. Who cares about planning, healing, support, when you can just DAKKA through everything without any consequences?
And yes, I remember. I remember the sigh of relieve when someone used team chat to state he had Kang, and actually guarded Kang perfectly. I remember the utter scramble when someone blew a generator early in ISE. I carried a GW1 and sometimes even a TBR on my Hegh'ta (lol) for exactly that reason. I would shout 'HERE COMES CAPTAIN CROWD CONTROL', dump GW1 on the spheres and TRIBBLE Theta Radiation on them.
The flipside, however, is that the forums back then were littered with posts complaining about teammates not using team chat to use strategy. STF's could be frustrating because folks lacked communication and power. Now, we've reached the other side of the spectrum where tactics and communication are irrelevant. Zone in, PEW PEW PEW, get reward, zone out. Boring,
I ran - yes, ran - a FaW scimitar on Marcellus. For a while, it was fun blasting through everything in record time. Quickly, however, I got bored. The NPC's in this game already pose little to no threat - unless my FPS takes another plummet below 1 fps and I just die from inactivity - and *to me* that's no fun. Make no mistake: I'm not telling anyone they're doing it wrong when they try to push their boat to the maximum, DPS wise. I have a lot of respect for the guy that posted the 30k damage Sci Oddy in the Federation Shipyard. I actually learned something. I saw the kind of synergy he got with his mixing and matching of different items and doffs. It's just not for me.
I toned down my DAKKA scimitar. I went back to DHC's - still stupidly powerful - and added a torpedo, something that was always considered herecy to the dps gods. It takes a lot more piloting skill - still limited, fixed NPC spawns, so you know how to pilot quickly enough - and you end up with less dps, but I enjoy it more.
In the end, I think, for me, the problem is that most FaW blasting DPS boats are *always* powerful. That's why I'm having so much fun with my Torpedo boats. It takes a good bit of planning, gearing, and timing to do a good attack run. After that, you have some downtime to your effectiveness. Well, I do, anyway. There's just something glorious about going for one of the spawns in Azure Nebula and whiping out all the Tholians in one pass. It takes more than just 1) fly up 2) decloak 3) lol FaW. And you can't do it none-stop.
My build is in my sig if you care to look. I've worked hard for it since I only play about 3-4 hours a week (sometimes more depending on the situation). I like where the ship and toon is going in terms of gear.
For the record, I don't believe in "grinding" to keep up with the Jones' or be "uber". I play what I want, when I want and for that I am having fun playing the game.
Oh my! Such nastiness! Now I suppose I have properly chastised in public. So I'll just hang a great big "Average" sign between my nacelles so all the STO Community can see. Thank you so very much for reminding me of my place. Much appreciated. Please, Sir. may I have another?
Gotta love these passive aggressive types. Wait all day for a chance to pounce on someone, they do. Oh well. As long as you're bothering me, you're leaving decent people alone. And as long as you're in here feverishly scrolling for your next victim, you're not ingame bothering people there either.
Win win for me.
BTW, is the above average or excellent sarcasm? Seeing how you are the self annointed expert around here on nearly everything your opinion is highly sought after concerning this oh-so-important topic. Wouldn't want to use ordinary sarcasm on such a self important person after all. That just would. Not. Do.
P.S. I find Spell Check to be most helpful. Especially for words I use all the time. And you might want to brush up on those rules about whether or not one is supposed to use a capital I rather than lower case. After all, English is such a simple language sometimes, isn't it?
In case you missed it, why yes, I AM mocking you. But think of this as return fire. The straight variety.
6/10 wouldn't bang again.
IMHO, we've reached a point in gearing/power with the game - there's just more room to dork around with some of the fun builds and things we might have avoided in the past.
Heck, it's like the talk about rainbow builds, eh?
Before the Advanced Tactical Consoles, a VR Mk XII "Specific" console provided +30% damage strength while a "Generic" provided +20%. That was a 10% difference between say a Disruptor console and a Beam console...per console. Well, I guess it's not a "was" - they're still that way. But with the Advanced Tactical Consoles - the "Specific" went to 31.9% while the "Generic" went to 27.9%. Went from a +10% difference per console to a +4% difference per console. Now obviously if somebody is trying to maximize their damage, they're going to go "Specific" - but somebody that's perhaps looking for a little disco action - it's not as bad as it was. I mean, 4x consoles was losing 40% damage strength...with ATVx consoles, it's only losing +16%. I'm not suggesting rainbow builds...I'm just saying, they're not as "bad" as they were.
For somebody that might have run mixed torps - the addition was pretty awesome, eh?
Does that mean you need them? Nah, not in this thread - it just means they're an option there, right?
Kind of like Fleet Shields with [Adapt]...well, there's that new T4 Counter-Command Rep Trait, eh? Hrmmm, opens up some additional options for some folks to look at set bonuses, eh? Or they can stack it - or they can run something else.
It's just that there's so much available, imho, that we can do all sorts of things and potentially have more fun doing so than we could previously. Things where we might have wanted to hide from the public cause of not wanting the ridicule (cause even though we denied it, it still kind of mattered on some level)...we can set our fun to Wheeeeeee Factor 10 and have a blast.
But all sorts of folks are going to have all sorts of fun in different ways...my goal with the thread was just to show some of us just like to fly stuff we find fun, things that aren't necessarily optimized out the wahzoo. Not that there's anything wrong with those builds in the least...just that it's a game, eh? It's entertainment...have some fun. If that's what you want, roll with it! If you want to hit up PvP, roll with it! If you think a Borg'd out Marauder with Elite Scorps could be fun...then take a look at what you could do with some sort of build and roll with it!
Greetings Captains,
I love how you almost EXACTLY described how I felt before. I was also getting obsessed with getting my DPS up but the higher it got the more fun was absent?
To the OP, I had more fun when I was levelling my toons and getting the TRIBBLE beat out of me in STF's.
That is why I created the Star Trek Battles channel. Teamwork is EXACTLY what we go for! We work together, we cross heal and have fun doing so. We aim for 3 - 7k DPS with 5K being the sweet spot. The missions that stand out in my mind are KASE with only 14 seconds left in the optional we finished it and or cure... 7 seconds I believe for that one.
Fun can be had but with the power creep we have to make the game what we want it to be.
For my reply to the OP. MY fun build is trying to go for screen accuracy. I go 1 array and 3 torps fore and aft and with the Boff abilities I try to keep them for single target attacks as opposed to mulitple.
I invite ALL to try STB out and bring their fun builds there.... there is a condition though, the fun in STB is trying to keep Star Trek in mind... all the guidelines and more information can be found in my signiture.
Hope to see you in game!
the best wins are always the ones self declared! especially using arguments that don't even relate to the topic of my post.
on the spellcheck: you shouldn't anoint yourself as the supreme grammernazi, and then make a "booboo" yourself.
while i agree that english is a simple language to learn, both written and spoken, it is certainly harder if you are not living in a country where english is the official language. Calling someone out on, what i would call, insignificant spelling errors makes you not only look tremendously smug, but it also illustrates your inability to counter an argument with topical issues.
Even worse if you fail at spelling yourself, as you did.
Personaly i feel flattered, because you obviously thought i was a native english speaker. So i take that broadside at my english spelling as a complement. Thank you!
It is the very nature of a forum that people give their opinion on a subject, whether or not they have been asked for it. If you can't handle criticism on your opinion, you shouldn't post at all.
I like the term "self important person" especially coming from a guy that stated: I take it from that statement that you are under the impression that many people play STO not for fun anymore. This is not only a rather ignorant assumption by itself, but it also implies that there is, at least for you, a "right" or "fun" way to play.
So, no thank you, i do not need to be reminded how you would like me to have fun in STO.
i guess the "mocking game" is on, lets have some "fun"...
Kinanra, Romulan Tac, Fleet T'varo:
Build: http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=kinanrastvaro_0
I'll throw more up on STO Academy when I get a chance.
I have quite a bit of fun with this build...
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=talshiaraux2batt_0
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Do you notice the Incubation slow working in tandem with the R-TBR? I'd wondered about doing something like that with a Risian Love Boat...working the "group hug" angle, heh.
Grok's BoP build. You better be having fun if your'e crazy enough to fly a BoP in PvP.
Edit, on second thought this is not really an average build nor does it do average dps but oh well.
Heh, the last time I took Nivuh into Ker'rat with her B'rel, it was kind of a trip. I asked folks in zone how they managed to keep her alive - I had really wanted to go for a smoke, so I was just flying around in all sorts of odd circles almost to the point of motion sickness figuring that I'd get slaughtered...and could go for a smoke.
So I cloaked off to the side, and thought about how cool that was while outside. Came back in, charged back in to have another go at it...and I don't think the DHC's finished their first cycle before I was looking at the Respawn window, lol. It was a trip.
That was kinda my plan as even with all the Mine RCS, EPtE and Hydro it's still feels slow.
In PvE npc get pulled to me nicely and the incubation is procing quite often, I don't think it's ready for PvP just yet.
Thinking of dropping some of the uni console for some Embassy Part Gens but then I'd probably of been better off going Rom Plasma :-(
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Heh, I'm addicted to the Green on my Guramba, though it's only going to be 7 pieces because of running the 3pc Silent Enemy for the Green Haywire globes...lol.
TT1, FAW2, APO1
TS1, FAW2
...to:
TT1, APB1, FAW3
TT1, APB2
Running a pair of Rare Beam EWOs, so my FAW3 cycle is about 2.5s off what it was rotating the pair of FAW2...and gave up the TS1 for the Grav Photons. It took a hit in it's personal DPS, but it was nifty seeing the DPS of other folks going up.
It wasn't getting anywhere in that aspect on its own anyway, but it's kind of nifty adding to the support role it was kind of playing.
There's all sorts of things wrong with the skill build as well as here and there...as far as the DPS goes, that could be improved - even for my desire for average DPS - but I think I'm going to keep tweaking it toward that support type of thing.
Since I just PUG...it's kind of nifty to try to get things running smooth for everybody.
Also, toning down my Scimitar going from FaW to DHC's hasn't really worked. I got sucked into the 'MOAR DAKKA' again, and am pulling crazy numbers with CSV1 and TS3. However, it's still a lot more fun that the FaW scimi. There's just something glorious about doing a Scimitar power slide and blasting the spheres coming out of the ISE gate while traveling past them going sideways.
I did get a Norgh for Julius, though, because my Bird-of-Prey collection was incomplete. Running some A2B/A2D hybrid with BO3. Not the most effective for PvE, but it's fun piloting a 130 degree/sec turn ship. Have to get that Flanking bonus, yo.
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=greenmachine_0
3x Tech (A2B)
1x AMS (A2D)
2x EWO (BO)
It's quite a lot of fun, very fast and packs a punch.
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Heh, I couldn't even run Cannons on the Kar'Fi. That was the original goal with it - 180s up front with turrets aft...but I turned worse in the Kar'Fi than in a Vo'Quv...meh.
@skollulfr & @ussboleyn, heh - all sorts of fun to be had in the Corvette (yeah, I still capitalize the C - it's a ship type, don't care about the Chevy rumors!)...I ran a ship called Trans Bam for a wee while on Willard, was definitely a trip.
As to all the Corvette pilots..
Try building to hit 1.4k+ impulse in a straight line burst - its a real blast and great fun to use for a ramming speed
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Heavy Escort Carrier U.S.S. Crown Royal-C
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