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    edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    noroblad wrote: »
    It really depends. I have a bunch of alts and get a lot of mileage from it: you get:
    - one "free" cstore ship at max level from the 2500 zen ones. Note the fed offerings here are pretty slim, but kdf can get a karfi or b'rel or other decent ships and roms can get a t'varo or DD or other nice ships. Feds get a very weak "cruiser", a rather generic escort, and a sci ship IIRC -- not bad ships but nothing exciting either, the escort is the best of the lot.

    - more BOs
    - more char slots
    - shared storage (required to do faster rep levels, useful for contra farming and other things)
    - increased bank and bag space (I think ??)
    - zen each month (500)
    - vet ship (virtually identical destroyer for each class, but its a pretty nice ship and 1 FM to upgrade is cheap, one month's free zen for that..)

    -and more

    But the theme you should be picking up on here is that the more characters you have, the better lifetime becomes....

    more BOs - > you can buy it from the c-store when you want, you dont need a lfs.
    more char slots - > the same
    shared storage -> the same
    increased banck and bag space -> the same
    zen each month -> nice, but honestly it is a ridiculous ammount.
    vet ship -> knowing that 95% of vet ships are glitched and bugged in some way, i am happy i am not a lfs. I dont want glitched ships.

    And the only thing left is the veteran costumes. THIS is maybe the only thing that is worthy. Now, if you are willing to pay thousands of $ for this.. well suit yourself.

    THERE IS NO SENSE on buying a lfs. But people will never learn. All those services that you think are "gifts" (yea so many naive people) arent, since you already are paying for em when you buy the lfs.

    And of course, i will never buy a LFS to "support" cryptic. Since they doesnt deserve that support. Its sad to say this, but it is a fact like a temple.

    So, YES, a LFS is a waste, and people that cant understand why, are really naive ones.
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    mindshadow999mindshadow999 Member Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    falkon71 wrote: »
    I've been away for 3+ years, so I should have over 20,000 Zen built up.....

    :cool:

    Yeah, I had an LTS from a sale pre-PWE, so when I started playing again after a break of... 2 years? I had quite the Zen bank waiting for me.

    Spent it all, of course, some of it on stuff I realize in retrospect was dumb, but what can you do? :rolleyes:
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    futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I bought my Lifetime sub in 2011 and I have been playing ever since, so for me, it's worth it.

    To buy one now? Well, depends on whether you plan to still be playing in a couple of years, I suppose.
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    drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited May 2014
    I've never regretted my LTS. Not once.
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    edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I bought my Lifetime sub in 2011 and I have been playing ever since, so for me, it's worth it.

    To buy one now? Well, depends on whether you plan to still be playing in a couple of years, I suppose.

    The problem is if STO will be alive in a couple of years.. lol, at this rate i dont think so. That is the whole point. And rewards of a LFTs are not worthy anyways.
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    thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The problem is if STO will be alive in a couple of years.. lol, at this rate i dont think so. That is the whole point. And rewards of a LFTs are not worthy anyways.
    You doom-singers are all alike. We have been listening to your type sing the same song for over 4 years now. STO will never last 6 months! STO will never have an Expansion! STO will never get a second Expansion because everyone was so upset with the first one! It is the same story over and over, and yet we keep getting new stuff every few months.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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    lowy1lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    chalpen wrote: »
    It isn't worth it and cryptic should get rid of them and go the neverwinter model.
    I bought my lifetime sub before release and it has more then tripled in value. But by sheer weight of numbers (and not saying that sto isn't a good game) do you see it lasting another 4 1/2 years.
    I will not buy another PC. Nobody buys pc's anymore

    That being said a "pack" of benefits per expansion would be awesome. (Like neverwinter) is a good idea

    Yeah ok...go back under your bridge troll. Let me know when you can run a 3D graphic program or CAD program on your smartphone, PS4, XBox 1 or tablet...:rolleyes:
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    blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The problem is if STO will be alive in a couple of years.. lol, at this rate i dont think so. That is the whole point. And rewards of a LFTs are not worthy anyways.
    To you, perhaps, and that's the real point there. YOU don't think it's worth it, but who are you to decide for someone what is worth it or not? The rewards are worthy, and just because you don't think they are doesn't mean anything because that right there is only your opinion, which of course, isn't a fact.
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    starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The value of the LTS has certainly dropped a lot since the game went F2P. The only real rewards for getting the LTS is the Liberated Borg Captains and Veteran Rewards. Got my LTS in beta and to me it is worth it, but if I obtained the LTS now, then I would put serious thought into purchasing it or not and not the rash decision that I made years ago.
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    voyagerwaskingvoyagerwasking Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I just got my lts about a week ago and i dont regret it at all.
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    charliescot25charliescot25 Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The game has been paid off from lifers, so No!, it's not worth the money as it used to be in the days. But, if you're on this every day and a massive fan of Trek? Then go for it!
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    pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Yes and no. I personally think it's worth it because I support STO and get some small extras. That said, a couple of the extras are WEAK. The Captain's Table space station is a total waste of space in the game. The devs don't need to change it to give lifetimers more freebies, but the devs need to update the Captain's Table so it's worth going to.

    I would love if the Captain's Table gave you access to all the stuff you find at ESD and DS9 ... PLUS access to all the stuff your fleet currently has unlocked at the fleet starbase, mine, embassy and spire.

    Essentially, make the Captain's Table a "one stop shop" for lifetimers so we don't have to waste time traveling all over the place.

    This way lifetimers don't get special gear that f2p'ers can't have, but lifetimers get something they will appreciate.
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    norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lowy1 wrote: »
    Yeah ok...go back under your bridge troll. Let me know when you can run a 3D graphic program or CAD program on your smartphone, PS4, XBox 1 or tablet...:rolleyes:

    You probably could on the console systems: they are basically laptops inside. The phones and tablets need a few years yet, but it won't be long in the grand scheme of things.

    But a desktop pc will always have more power for the $$. That is not hard to prove -- the more space you have, the more power you can cram into it. Currently I can get what, 64-128 processors or more in a desktop sized box (granted they cost as much as a new car.... but it will be a "while" before a phone can pack that kind of power).
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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    I assume this refers to sale prices on ZEN? (That's how I got my Tactical Escort Retrofit. :D )

    I also assume that the 500 stipend rolls over or accumulates? Meaning, I can save up for a few months and get better ships/bundles?

    I'm not even done with the main storyline yet... almost to The 4800. So, would I get my money's worth? Given I have more of the game to play, and that I'm thinking of simply buying ZEN... my thoughts are just pop for the LTS, and never have to worry about ZEN again. :P

    the sale price does not refer to zen as you cannot buy lifetime with zen, the sale price is for a cash sale that is the only way you can buy lifetime.
    I would very much recommend a lifetime sub but agree you should wait for the next lifetime sale.
    the 500 zen stipend does indeed accumulate so if you want a ship that is 2000zen wait 4 months and you will have it.

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    solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I got my lifetime in 2409 and I didn't regret it at all.
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'd say no, they aren't. You get a couple of free ships (Retrofit level) which still aren't top of the range, even the veteran ship has a fleet version of which you need to further purchase. The KDF has only two of these ships to choose from (B'rel, or that horrid looking bulk that the Fek'lhr use).

    Unless I'm mistaken also, post season 9, Federation players (with a lifetime ship token) lost the Galaxy Retrofit, so they're down to two ships now too (Defiant & Intrepid). I suppose those best off are Republic players as they get to choose between (I think) four designs.

    500zen a month, for the rest of the games life; that's good, providing they don't stop that (they'd be within their right to do so as their terms and conditions are subject to change). The veteran clothing options (for all factions) is also nice.

    You also get them extra bank and inventory slots (per account) which come in very handy if you're collecting characters. If you're just running one or two, I wouldn't do it.
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    edgecrysgeredgecrysger Member Posts: 2,740 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    To you, perhaps, and that's the real point there. YOU don't think it's worth it, but who are you to decide for someone what is worth it or not? The rewards are worthy, and just because you don't think they are doesn't mean anything because that right there is only your opinion, which of course, isn't a fact.


    Because apparently people like you are just kids that will never realize that a LFS is just a pure scam. But as i said, since you are kid, you will be good paying 500$ for a lfs or 2000$. It will not matter to you at all. LFTs are the main problem of STO. But people will never realize. The game is worst day after day (if you dont think so, then you are really in need of a good doctor) and the only reason of this is because cryptic is doing a lot of money from lfts and people buying thousands of master keys to get just a stupid ship (for example). So THEY WILL NEVER BE WORRIED about making the game better. Just the opposite. Because doing the game better requires more efforts, time and MONEY. So, they are not going to lose money on things that doesnt report benefits. I know its a bit complicated , but i dont expect you to understand, after all you still need to grow up a little.

    And nobody in their right mind will pay a LFS to "support" cryptic , for god sake. Not unless he is new and he doesnt know anything about the company that is behind the game and the game itself. You will pay to support a company when they deserve it and they are doing a good job with the game, not the opposite. But i guess you cant understand this as well.
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    pegasuscicpegasuscic Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    I assume this refers to sale prices on ZEN? (That's how I got my Tactical Escort Retrofit. :D )

    I also assume that the 500 stipend rolls over or accumulates? Meaning, I can save up for a few months and get better ships/bundles?

    I'm not even done with the main storyline yet... almost to The 4800. So, would I get my money's worth? Given I have more of the game to play, and that I'm thinking of simply buying ZEN... my thoughts are just pop for the LTS, and never have to worry about ZEN again. :P

    I bought my LTS a long time ago and it paid for itself in spades. I use the 500 zen for any extra services I need on top of LTS already gives you. It does rollover, so if you wanted that massive pack of science destroyers you could save up 10,000 from your monthly stipend. I never spend real money this game after my LTS purchase. Zen and dil to zen is all I do. Actually, I lie, I purchased the Steamrunner bundle from steam for real money and the $20 romulan pack that came out for the expansion, but since my LTS that is it. The android boff is nice, the destroyer is nice, I like the Liberated borg playable character as well. I have two on my account. Little things like costume options are nice. The best thing is the free the character slots. I think I have something like 14 or 15 now. The "Captains Table" is dead, but if you don't want to be around a crowd of those dang disco balls you can always go there where it's quiet. Plus the priority queing when a new season or expansion hits is nice too. As someone else said, it just depends on how much you play. I play at least an hour a day and longer on weekends. I also am not a "gamer" so I don't play any other MMOs. I like Star Trek so this is what I play. So if you will be active in the game, leveling characters or just chasing dilithium, and if you plan on being here. If you plan on being here for years then it may be worth it. If you buy the LTS on sale you will break even in about 13-14 months and keep all the shinies. After that time, you're pretty much playing for "free" but with all the stuff the FTP crowd either purchased or doesn't have. And "Gold" are still paying, and don't have the LTS perks.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Because apparently people like you are just kids that will never realize that a LFS is just a pure scam.
    Pure Scam? You mean you don't get what you will? Is it more expensive to the take the lifetime subscription then to have a recurring gold subscription for 3 years?
    The game is worst day after day (if you dont think so, then you are really in need of a good doctor)
    Seriously? You think the game hasn't improved? Do you even know how the game looked like at release? Super Ugly Sector Space, terrible skill system that punished switching ships, no respecs, a tiny number of KDF mission, Galaxy class ships being extremely inaccurate to the model from the show, lot less ships, several Bridge Officer powers not even working, PvP stun-locks with SNB and VM, no romulan faction, no STFs?

    I suppose you don't need to see a Doctor, because you regenerate all injuries (unless from fire or acid)?
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    sevexparsevexpar Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This seems like a good place for this: Zen is play money.
    We think of it as a currency because we can buy it with cash at a 1:100 ratio with dollars. I have looked at the benefits of subscribing and the lifetime membership. Some are nice, but I work hard for my real world money.

    500 Zen won't even buy 5 lock box keys.

    What would probably get me to subscribe or maybe even shell out 2 or 3 days' pay for a LTS would be this: Add the monthly subscription charge as Zen to the player's account. I know it's a 3x increase over what they are already doing, but Zen has the exact same real life value (to the player and to Cryptic) as an Ankh-Morpork dollar: None. For a LTS then the $200 or $300 gets added to their account as 20K or 30K zen, then 1,499 zen per month like a Gold member.

    This is a free game, so they need to offer serious incentives to get more players to subscribe.

    This won't affect game play except perhaps PvP, but everyone knows if you REALLY want to excel in PvP you're going to have buy Zen anyway. A lot of people (like me) have no interest in PvP and just want to have fun and relax.

    My proposal above would help me feel I was getting value for my money.
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    blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Because apparently people like you are just kids that will never realize that a LFS is just a pure scam. But as i said, since you are kid, you will be good paying 500$ for a lfs or 2000$. It will not matter to you at all. LFTs are the main problem of STO. But people will never realize. The game is worst day after day (if you dont think so, then you are really in need of a good doctor) and the only reason of this is because cryptic is doing a lot of money from lfts and people buying thousands of master keys to get just a stupid ship (for example). So THEY WILL NEVER BE WORRIED about making the game better. Just the opposite. Because doing the game better requires more efforts, time and MONEY. So, they are not going to lose money on things that doesnt report benefits. I know its a bit complicated , but i dont expect you to understand, after all you still need to grow up a little.

    And nobody in their right mind will pay a LFS to "support" cryptic , for god sake. Not unless he is new and he doesnt know anything about the company that is behind the game and the game itself. You will pay to support a company when they deserve it and they are doing a good job with the game, not the opposite. But i guess you cant understand this as well.
    So, you are not only thinking that people can choose to do whatever they want with their own money, you insult other players calling them kids and whatnot and say that no one in their right mind would support Cryptic? Your logic astounds me, really, it does. I don't regret getting the LTS. I do have one question, though: why do you have so much hatred for people who want to support this game and use their own money to be a lifetime subscription? Buying a lifetime subscription helps this game survive a bit longer.

    How is a Lifetime subscription a scam? Is it because Cryptic "ruined" the game in your eyes that is why you called it a scam?

    Also, calling me a "kid" isn't going to gain you any support from anyone... it only shows how immature you are by throwing stuff like that at people.

    Also, the lifetime subscription cost isn't $500 or $2000, it's $300 (regular price).

    In my opinion, I am supporting Cryptic because I think they do deserve my support. You don't have to agree with that, I don't care if you do or don't agree with it, because it's how I feel on the matter.
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    longasclongasc Member Posts: 490
    edited May 2014
    I am playing STO for so long by now, would have saved a lot money if I had got it right away.

    The answer sounds damn obvious, but if you are sure you will play STO a lot, yes, then it is worth it.
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    amezukiamezuki Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Edit: Unintentional necro; need to check dates. 2014 != 2015.
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    crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,113 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Hi, I'm new here.

    Been playing STO since March (thank you, Mac client), and I am considering dropping the coin on a Lifetime sub. I'm starting to think that it will be more cost-effective than a simple Gold sub (or continually buying ZEN).

    Not sure if this question gets asked a lot, but... to the lifetime subs, is it worth it?

    If you had purchased it back in 2010 when the game first launched - Yes.

    Today (IMO) - No.

    What you might want to do is sub for one month, start characters - and then cancel as those characters won't loose what they got while you were subbed when your account goes Silver (aka F2P.) It's probably cheaper to do that and just buy piecemeal what you want (or convert Dil) as you play.

    At $5.00 stipend per month (and assuming there's enough you find in game that you want to use it); and the $300 U.S. price tag for an LTS - STO would have to be around (and maintain your interest) for another 5 years for you to 'break even' on the purchase of an LTS. That may or may not happen.

    ETA: Doh! Guess I didn't read the date on the OP close enough - I thought it was from May 2, 2015 - but the OP was don May 2, 2014 -- my bad, but the logic still stands (IMO)
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    mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    wtf is a LFS....i thought we was talking about a LTS here .........
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    warmonger360warmonger360 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'd say yes and no, but as for MY lifer, I have no regrets
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    pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I've definitely felt its worth it. But I did buy it a long, long time ago...

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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I was expecting them to add a T6 ship for newer buyers only just to tempt more buyers but it looks like that's not going to happen.
    having said that personally I would say it is still worth it, ive never regretted going for LTS but as I always say wait for a sale theres sure to be one along soon and the saving is well worth the wait.
    it will also give you more time to deside if a LTS is right for you.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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    thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Seeing as how I bought my LT sub before launch, yeah...it's been more than worth it for me. As of right now? Probably not. It would probably be a better use of money to sub, create a bunch of characters with the max number of slots you get, level one to max, then cancel. Then take that same amount of money you would have spent on the LT sub(minus however long you subbed for) and buy that much zen. I think that would get you more bang for your buck at this point. Especially during a promotion where zen is discounted.

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    thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Where do you get the Android officer?

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Android

    It's of the 700 Day, in the Veteran Reward System. I have them on all my Player Characters.

    But as for LTS...no thanks. I'd rather be able to keep the POWER with me. Cutting off funds is the best way to vote on changes to STO.
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