you break even @ 21 months (if you don't wait for a sale, which is probably due) you get every vet reward backward from launch.
This. If you see yourself playing in 2 years, consider it a worthwhile investment. I have to disagree over the T5/Fleet Connie though. Even though I know it'll likely never happen...
I remember some time ago there was some talk about the lifetime rewards being updated. I really do hope that this is still the case. Lifetimes main selling point back in the golden days was the fact that you had to pay the 15 bucks a month to play. So what's the point of getting a lifetime subscription to something that is already free? :rolleyes:
Even though I'm half joking, I'm also half serious. I just can't help thinking that lifetime should have been updated/altered when they went FTP.
You don't seem to realize that nobody is buying laptop and pcs. So there is less of a market as time goes on.
It doesn't matter how "free to play" it is. Nobody is going to buy a laptop to try a free game.
So the market that cryptic is looking at is getting smaller every year in favour of tablets
Fixed that for ya so people reading will know the truth about Atari's mismanagement of this game. :rolleyes:
While Atari wasn't the main factor that pointed this game twards failure before it's release, it was the biggest of the top 3.....PWI's model may have turned it into a generic Asian grind fest MMO, but it did give us fleshed out Klinks, new ESD, and Romulans. which makes them the best situation this game has seen in it's lifetime.
You don't seem to realize that nobody is buying laptop and pcs. So there is less of a market as time goes on.
It doesn't matter how "free to play" it is. Nobody is going to buy a laptop to try a free game.
So the market that cryptic is looking at is getting smaller every year in favour of tablets
As a hobby I build P.C.'s for friends and family - I am currently working on 3. and you do not have the right to call my friends and family nobody's. - they all have the most recent tablets and book readers, and still rather do their bulk computing time sitting at a desk. - P.C./Laptop market isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Been playing STO since March (thank you, Mac client), and I am considering dropping the coin on a Lifetime sub. I'm starting to think that it will be more cost-effective than a simple Gold sub (or continually buying ZEN).
Not sure if this question gets asked a lot, but... to the lifetime subs, is it worth it?
If you're planning on creating quite a few characters and enjoy the unnecessary items (such as pets) then yes, you should go for it. You get additional bank and inventory slots (per character) by default; this can come in well later.
If you're likely going to be content with no more than three characters, and couldn't care less for pets, then I'd hold off on buying the LTS and just throw Zen into the game whenever there is a Zen sale to buy the specific things that you desire.
It's really up to you. The join date on my profile isn't exactly accurate, I've been playing since it was released. Though I have taken long breaks a few times during the course. I made this account when I decided I really wanted to subscribe for a lifetime. Only you can decide if it's right and if it's something you're willing to pay that much for.
I honestly have no regrets. This was a game I've always enjoyed coming back to and a game that I was very interested in...mainly due to my love of space sims and my huge love for the Star Trek franchise. I can get bored sometimes, take a break, come back and it all feels almost new again. I also have the freedom to do so with a sub like this...I can take my time and not rush things. The stipend, I think has been my favorite part. That and when you are leveling you have some nice perks to help you along. Along with the sub, I'm already over a 1000 day veteran. I'm actually just back from a break I took, I came back and I had 6,500 zen waiting for me. Renews my interest and keeps me up to date with all the new releases. I've already received enough zen during my time to equal or surpass the amount I paid for sub. Membership and loyalty has it's perks.
Been playing STO since March (thank you, Mac client), and I am considering dropping the coin on a Lifetime sub. I'm starting to think that it will be more cost-effective than a simple Gold sub (or continually buying ZEN).
Not sure if this question gets asked a lot, but... to the lifetime subs, is it worth it?
easy way to find the value in it. unsure what the sub costs are in pounds because the lack of transparency on PWE's fail site, so going by a simple example;
12 pounds per month by 10 months = 120 pounds, plus 24 pounds = 148 pounds a year.
LTS is one time and if you catch it on sale you only have to pay this just once in roughly the same costs.
so if you gold sub for 2 years then your not getting a good deal in it being worth the price. on top of this is the zen stipend and various extras, quality of life stuff and vet rewards.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Not sure if this question gets asked a lot, but... to the lifetime subs, is it worth it?
I rather like the game and picked up a lifetime sub a while back when they were on sale.
For a while I would have said it was worth it. The game's pretty decent.
But now there's this arc client business and I discovered that dropping several hundred dollars into their pockets doesn't get you better customer service. Several of my characters, my main worst of all, have been bugged since about the middle of last year. Bug reported them. After a few months submitted a support ticket. After satisfying them it was a bug they told me it wasn't a support issue and not to contact them again about such matters.
I finally had to lodge an external complaint with bbb.org.
Got my LT for STO, Champs and TSW soon as it was available and love not needing to pay for a sub.
Anytime a game offers it and I enjoy that game I def do go for it cause in the end of the day that's money saved to play other games and pay for the important stuff.
You don't seem to realize that nobody is buying laptop and pcs. So there is less of a market as time goes on.
It doesn't matter how "free to play" it is. Nobody is going to buy a laptop to try a free game.
So the market that cryptic is looking at is getting smaller every year in favour of tablets
Good thing you can run STO off a toaster then, eh?
You don't seem to realize that nobody is buying laptop and pcs. So there is less of a market as time goes on.
It doesn't matter how "free to play" it is. Nobody is going to buy a laptop to try a free game.
So the market that cryptic is looking at is getting smaller every year in favour of tablets
315 million PCs (Desktops and Laptops) were sold in 2013.
3 million XBox Ones shipped in the 5-6 weeks of 2013. If we're generous and assume both that shipped is the same as sold, and that sales don't decrease throughout a year, that would mean 31.2 million XBox Ones sold in a year.
2.1 million PS4s were sold in in 3 weeks. With the same assumptions that sales are steady, that means 36.4 million PS4s sold in a year.
3.91 million Wii Us were sold from December 2012 to December 2013.
That's 315 million PCs vs 72 million consoles sold in a year. The PC market will remain larger than the console market for some time to come, even as the tablet market increases.
315 million PCs (Desktops and Laptops) were sold in 2013.
3 million XBox Ones shipped in the 5-6 weeks of 2013. If we're generous and assume both that shipped is the same as sold, and that sales don't decrease throughout a year, that would mean 31.2 million XBox Ones sold in a year.
2.1 million PS4s were sold in in 3 weeks. With the same assumptions that sales are steady, that means 36.4 million PS4s sold in a year.
3.91 million Wii Us were sold from December 2012 to December 2013.
That's 315 million PCs vs 72 million consoles sold in a year. The PC market will remain larger than the console market for some time to come, even as the tablet market increases.
Indeed, while there has been a trending downward a bit from laptop/pc sales and a trending upward of tablet sales; for the most part this trend is mostly from people adopting tablets in addition to their computers. Tablets cannot replace the full capability of a full computer (desktop/laptop), and where it does it's usually replacing it for people whose normal computer interaction is nothing much past web-browsing and email.
My advice...don't buy it. Sooner or later Cryptic will do something to make you regret it. I got my lifetime in Dec 2013 and I now regret my purchase due to Season 9
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My advice...don't buy it. Sooner or later Cryptic will do something to make you regret it. I got my lifetime in Dec 2013 and I now regret my purchase due to Season 9
LOL, cryptic did already A LOT of things to make lfsers to regret their buy. Now the thing is if that they believe it or not. Or they keep thinking cryptic deserves something loool. Honestly, buying now a lfs is stupid. 3 - 4 years ago, sure, a really good buy. Even 2 years ago. Now, a waste, there is no need and you are not going to play enough to worth the lfs money you will waste.
LOL, cryptic did already A LOT of things to make lfsers to regret their buy. Now the thing is if that they believe it or not. Or they keep thinking cryptic deserves something loool. Honestly, buying now a lfs is stupid. 3 - 4 years ago, sure, a really good buy. Even 2 years ago. Now, a waste, there is no need and you are not going to play enough to worth the lfs money you will waste.
I do regret buying LTS. I have stopped playing, and it was a waste.
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Been playing STO since March (thank you, Mac client), and I am considering dropping the coin on a Lifetime sub. I'm starting to think that it will be more cost-effective than a simple Gold sub (or continually buying ZEN).
Not sure if this question gets asked a lot, but... to the lifetime subs, is it worth it?
It really depends. I have a bunch of alts and get a lot of mileage from it: you get:
- one "free" cstore ship at max level from the 2500 zen ones. Note the fed offerings here are pretty slim, but kdf can get a karfi or b'rel or other decent ships and roms can get a t'varo or DD or other nice ships. Feds get a very weak "cruiser", a rather generic escort, and a sci ship IIRC -- not bad ships but nothing exciting either, the escort is the best of the lot.
- more BOs
- more char slots
- shared storage (required to do faster rep levels, useful for contra farming and other things)
- increased bank and bag space (I think ??)
- zen each month (500)
- vet ship (virtually identical destroyer for each class, but its a pretty nice ship and 1 FM to upgrade is cheap, one month's free zen for that..)
-and more
But the theme you should be picking up on here is that the more characters you have, the better lifetime becomes....
Do you mean the vesta? I'm thinking about that or the t'varo. Come on sale - 3 weeks til me birthday!
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I do regret buying LTS. I have stopped playing, and it was a waste.
and yet here you are lurking on the forums - A few months from now Crytpic will release something that may make you want to come back - when you do, you will have all your lifetime perks, Pluss a ton of zen stipends built up ready for you to spend. - - like I said, I usually don't play more then a couple of months, but When I do come back I'm still sitting pretty.
Do you mean the vesta? I'm thinking about that or the t'varo. Come on sale - 3 weeks til me birthday!
I can't recall which. People here use different names than the actual ship names which does not help... it was a sci ship vaguely shaped like all the other fed ships (pizza cutter / enterprise generic shape) and I was not a sci, so the details did not stick as to which one was allowed under the level 50 LTS purchase.
You can get one per char. So if you have a rom it can get a t'varo. If you have a fed it can get some sci ship (I can check it in game if no on knows which one it is, but that will be a few hours from now). That is, you can get BOTH if you have the 2 chars of the proper faction. Remember that roms can't use allied ships that high a level, only lowbie ships.
I wish I had been an lts, I've been gold for... 2 years? I don't mind so much I'd spend more on a date at the movies(I do that to don't worry) but that would only get me a few hours of entertainment(depending on how the rest of the evening went) compared to 15 for something I'll play an hour or two every day if not more sometimes
My advice...don't buy it. Sooner or later Cryptic will do something to make you regret it. I got my lifetime in Dec 2013 and I now regret my purchase due to Season 9
LOL, cryptic did already A LOT of things to make lfsers to regret their buy. Now the thing is if that they believe it or not. Or they keep thinking cryptic deserves something loool. Honestly, buying now a lfs is stupid. 3 - 4 years ago, sure, a really good buy. Even 2 years ago. Now, a waste, there is no need and you are not going to play enough to worth the lfs money you will waste.
Waste, eh? Where's your proff of that? Oh, and a lot of things, really? I don't regret buying the LTS last august, and I'm glad I still can play the game and still have the LTS.
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This. If you see yourself playing in 2 years, consider it a worthwhile investment. I have to disagree over the T5/Fleet Connie though. Even though I know it'll likely never happen...
Even though I'm half joking, I'm also half serious. I just can't help thinking that lifetime should have been updated/altered when they went FTP.
As you get all the perks upfront now, no need to worry about waiting for the sale.
You don't seem to realize that nobody is buying laptop and pcs. So there is less of a market as time goes on.
It doesn't matter how "free to play" it is. Nobody is going to buy a laptop to try a free game.
So the market that cryptic is looking at is getting smaller every year in favour of tablets
While Atari wasn't the main factor that pointed this game twards failure before it's release, it was the biggest of the top 3.....PWI's model may have turned it into a generic Asian grind fest MMO, but it did give us fleshed out Klinks, new ESD, and Romulans. which makes them the best situation this game has seen in it's lifetime.
As a hobby I build P.C.'s for friends and family - I am currently working on 3. and you do not have the right to call my friends and family nobody's. - they all have the most recent tablets and book readers, and still rather do their bulk computing time sitting at a desk. - P.C./Laptop market isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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If you're likely going to be content with no more than three characters, and couldn't care less for pets, then I'd hold off on buying the LTS and just throw Zen into the game whenever there is a Zen sale to buy the specific things that you desire.
I honestly have no regrets. This was a game I've always enjoyed coming back to and a game that I was very interested in...mainly due to my love of space sims and my huge love for the Star Trek franchise. I can get bored sometimes, take a break, come back and it all feels almost new again. I also have the freedom to do so with a sub like this...I can take my time and not rush things. The stipend, I think has been my favorite part. That and when you are leveling you have some nice perks to help you along. Along with the sub, I'm already over a 1000 day veteran. I'm actually just back from a break I took, I came back and I had 6,500 zen waiting for me. Renews my interest and keeps me up to date with all the new releases. I've already received enough zen during my time to equal or surpass the amount I paid for sub. Membership and loyalty has it's perks.
easy way to find the value in it. unsure what the sub costs are in pounds because the lack of transparency on PWE's fail site, so going by a simple example;
12 pounds per month by 10 months = 120 pounds, plus 24 pounds = 148 pounds a year.
LTS is one time and if you catch it on sale you only have to pay this just once in roughly the same costs.
so if you gold sub for 2 years then your not getting a good deal in it being worth the price. on top of this is the zen stipend and various extras, quality of life stuff and vet rewards.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I rather like the game and picked up a lifetime sub a while back when they were on sale.
For a while I would have said it was worth it. The game's pretty decent.
But now there's this arc client business and I discovered that dropping several hundred dollars into their pockets doesn't get you better customer service. Several of my characters, my main worst of all, have been bugged since about the middle of last year. Bug reported them. After a few months submitted a support ticket. After satisfying them it was a bug they told me it wasn't a support issue and not to contact them again about such matters.
I finally had to lodge an external complaint with bbb.org.
Anytime a game offers it and I enjoy that game I def do go for it cause in the end of the day that's money saved to play other games and pay for the important stuff.
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Good thing you can run STO off a toaster then, eh?
315 million PCs (Desktops and Laptops) were sold in 2013.
3 million XBox Ones shipped in the 5-6 weeks of 2013. If we're generous and assume both that shipped is the same as sold, and that sales don't decrease throughout a year, that would mean 31.2 million XBox Ones sold in a year.
2.1 million PS4s were sold in in 3 weeks. With the same assumptions that sales are steady, that means 36.4 million PS4s sold in a year.
3.91 million Wii Us were sold from December 2012 to December 2013.
That's 315 million PCs vs 72 million consoles sold in a year. The PC market will remain larger than the console market for some time to come, even as the tablet market increases.
But yes, LTS is awesome.
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Indeed, while there has been a trending downward a bit from laptop/pc sales and a trending upward of tablet sales; for the most part this trend is mostly from people adopting tablets in addition to their computers. Tablets cannot replace the full capability of a full computer (desktop/laptop), and where it does it's usually replacing it for people whose normal computer interaction is nothing much past web-browsing and email.
LOL, cryptic did already A LOT of things to make lfsers to regret their buy. Now the thing is if that they believe it or not. Or they keep thinking cryptic deserves something loool. Honestly, buying now a lfs is stupid. 3 - 4 years ago, sure, a really good buy. Even 2 years ago. Now, a waste, there is no need and you are not going to play enough to worth the lfs money you will waste.
I do regret buying LTS. I have stopped playing, and it was a waste.
It really depends. I have a bunch of alts and get a lot of mileage from it: you get:
- one "free" cstore ship at max level from the 2500 zen ones. Note the fed offerings here are pretty slim, but kdf can get a karfi or b'rel or other decent ships and roms can get a t'varo or DD or other nice ships. Feds get a very weak "cruiser", a rather generic escort, and a sci ship IIRC -- not bad ships but nothing exciting either, the escort is the best of the lot.
- more BOs
- more char slots
- shared storage (required to do faster rep levels, useful for contra farming and other things)
- increased bank and bag space (I think ??)
- zen each month (500)
- vet ship (virtually identical destroyer for each class, but its a pretty nice ship and 1 FM to upgrade is cheap, one month's free zen for that..)
-and more
But the theme you should be picking up on here is that the more characters you have, the better lifetime becomes....
Anyone getting one now that the game is free-to-play, though? That has me wincing.
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and yet here you are lurking on the forums - A few months from now Crytpic will release something that may make you want to come back - when you do, you will have all your lifetime perks, Pluss a ton of zen stipends built up ready for you to spend. - - like I said, I usually don't play more then a couple of months, but When I do come back I'm still sitting pretty.
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I can't recall which. People here use different names than the actual ship names which does not help... it was a sci ship vaguely shaped like all the other fed ships (pizza cutter / enterprise generic shape) and I was not a sci, so the details did not stick as to which one was allowed under the level 50 LTS purchase.
You can get one per char. So if you have a rom it can get a t'varo. If you have a fed it can get some sci ship (I can check it in game if no on knows which one it is, but that will be a few hours from now). That is, you can get BOTH if you have the 2 chars of the proper faction. Remember that roms can't use allied ships that high a level, only lowbie ships.
I like the game enough to throw some money at Cryptic / PWE.
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Waste, eh? Where's your proff of that? Oh, and a lot of things, really? I don't regret buying the LTS last august, and I'm glad I still can play the game and still have the LTS.
Waste to you doesn't mean a waste to other people.