Warning/Note: This is from more of a story point rather than a Game standpoint.
Excelsior's, Constitution's, and Miranda's I understand not needing to be in the game from a story point. They were dated by the time the Enterprise D was in service. Hell, you can't put a Phaser Strip on an Excelsior. The Connie is thrown in game just because it has no reason at all. The Miranda..well maybe from a story point of view it just be a training ship/transport runner? It' fills one of those role's in the tutorial. However, as for the rest I'll have to disagree.
The Galaxy isn't a prime player; I agree, by 2409 but she still has a use in the federation. Even if one was upgraded it may not be on the level of an Odyssey but as an exploration/defense/diplomatic cruiser the galaxy is great in the role. The Ambassador Class was a fleet flagship once to. They didn't just go away because of the Galaxy came along. They just took a lesser role. Why can't that be the same for the Galaxy Class. Toss in the Refit (Dreadnought Cruiser) and they have every right to still be in use.
Nebula's from a story standpoint would still be in use if you ask me. Modular design, long range explorer, reasonable firepower, and while not on the level of ships like the sovereign/regent/Odyssey it can do the mundane work and exploration.
The Defiant class would still be in use. The Federation is at war and the Defiant is a ship made for war. Retrofit or not the ship packs a punch, it's compact, tough, and a proven design. It's like an A-10 Warthog in spirit. It's not a Prometheus but it is allot less complicated than a Prometheus which mean's it's easier to build and field. Not to mention she fits a niche role in the Federation with limited crew. In either case, the Sao Paulos no great jump from the Defiant so why get rid of them.
As for the Prometheus. Why does anyone think this ship would be mass produced on large enough number? It has Multi-vector Assault Mode. This isn't a Galaxy class saucer separation we are talking about here. It's a single ship separating into three warp capable ships able to engage one or several targets. Toss in the automation factor and the Prometheus is so advanced it take allot longer time to construct, test, field test, and then put into use in the fleet.
Just going to stop here. I don't want to make this to long. The point however is most ships have a reason for being in game. That, or the fact the Federation is at war with...everything honestly and they will field the most ancient ship and load it up with new tech. It seems to work for the Klingon's.
Not one thing odd about your ideas, OP. Wanting to make your own mark in your own fashion is good. All I can say about this is - Go For It!
However...
I think the people who prefer the ships you do not should be allowed to have it their way as well. I am as surprised as you may be to find this is what I think about the Connie and the Miranda at the moment. I may not agree with everything some people want in STO, but they are customers just like I am. I firmly believe their voice should have a weight equal to mine. Excluding some ships because, ahem, "They're _______, you blasphemous wretch!", seems wrong. Star Trek is a large enough tent so that there should be room in it for everyone who professes an appreciation for it, as well as enjoying this game.
There are some parts of Star Trek and STO I like a lot less than others. Other people who play this game enjoy these same parts far more than I can. My opinions on the parts I don't like are my own and I see no need to express them here. It is more important to me that all of us who are fans of Star Trek and STO get a chance to use and do the things we enjoy than it is for me to willy nilly decide another fan shouldn't have something in the game because it doesn't fit my view of Star Trek and STO "ought" to be.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
Nope you're not an oddball at all. It would be a different story if this game were set in the late TOS era, then all of the Connie fervor would make sense, and I would be for it as well, but it isn't, it's set in TNG's future. I could go off in Nerd Land giving a technical reason why but my reason's are simple enough, we're supposed to be in Star Trek's future, why the hell are we looking back into the past?
Nostalgia is fine but it can be taken too far, we do not need a sky full of Star Trek Model Ts Model As and Edsels in what is supposed to be the 25th century, all because someone is taking his gaming fantasy to the level of "Oh my God someone call a doctor".
I want to see new futuristic ships, not antiques, if I want to see the antiques, I'll watch re-runs.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
When I started playing STO at launch I was radically against a T5 Connie or Miranda. I believed the game was supposed to represent a 25th Century Trek universe and I only wanted to see new ship types in the game - modern designs to represent a new era.
Then the C-Store ships started appearing; and when it got to the Excelsior being the best Tactical Cruiser in the game until the Fleet Sovereign appeared 3 years later it was quite clear that canon meant nothing in STO. Couple that with all the alien ships in the game now and STO has become "whatever the players wanted to be happy and were willing to spend money on" canon.
That is why I created my Signature. STO is a fan-boy's fantasy of 6 Trek series and a dozen movies all picked clean and rolled into a single game. At this point I would not care if they added a T5 Connie or a T5 Phoenix because canon was shot out the airlock 4 years ago. Now it is just about making players happy; and if a T5 Connie makes some happy so be it. That means more money for Cryptic, and thus more content for all of us.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
There are many posts about wanting a tier 5 connie[no this is not a thread about that!], or wanting JJ Verse enterprise, or god every known combination or permutation of the Enterprise. And ofcourse I see every other conciviable spelling of enterprise whether it be a tier 2 connie, or a tier 5 soverign.
Here's my stupid question. Is it wrong for me to want to NOT be part of the mold. To want to fly something NEW? Like an Odyssey, or Avenger or Mogh? Something that WASN'T in one of the frakking TV shows?
Or to NOT be Kirk or Picard. To not be one of my heros, but blaze my own trail for my own perspective?
Cause holy jeebus, more I read these forums, more I see "I want a tier 5 connie!" "I want my galaxy to be the biggest BA on the block because it was in TNG!"
I mean is it weird for my Primary toon i want to fly either my avenger or the Odyssey?
Am I crazy? And is anybody else out there that crazy?
I perfectly well understand the desire so many players have to fly their favorite looking ship and have it be fully functional in end-game adventures. I want a fully functional Star Cruiser and have it be fully functional in end-game, and I'm not talking about the Odd Duck cruisers.
Personally, I like kitbashing the ships into the uncanny valley - like my regent with a sovereign saucer and pylons, but noble hull/deflector and regent nacelles or my D'deridex with D'ridthau downward-swept wings/hull.
I'd say logic is on the side of those making the request, what with new materials, tech, and building techniques able to make replicas of these ships that stand up to current specs.
That said, I don't support them personally. Hero ships are for collectors and history buffs. Flying the replica should be like a captain hobby thing, not a legitimate duty posting. Even the Miranda is used for cadet training cruises now, which is kind of a testament to how seriously starfleet takes the ship.
But then again, I'm not in love with any of the hero ship designs, their looks just don't do it for me, or even inspire enough nostalgia from watching the shows to get me past the lack of physical attraction, so what do I know?
I also think it's downright silly how seriously people take hating JJ Trek. It's just cliche at this point. Nobody ever likes the new anything, and nobody's shocked to hear that New Kirk and New Enterprise don't do it for anyone who grew up playing with spock and data action figures. Unfortunately for you, the movies are canon, but encapsulated safely away from your beloved, virgin IP by means of the whole Alternate Reality caveat. If cryptic says they won't do them, fine, but some people foam at the mouth and clutch their chests every time somebody even brings up the movies. Which, by the way, are fun to watch if you just turn your brain off and enjoy the sensory input for a couple hours. God forbid anyone take the level of scrutiny JJtrek is put to by the fanbse to TOS. And it's still better than Voyager. Exponentially. In every way.
Not one thing odd about your ideas, OP. Wanting to make your own mark in your own fashion is good. All I can say about this is - Go For It!
However...
I think the people who prefer the ships you do not should be allowed to have it their way as well. I am as surprised as you may be to find this is what I think about the Connie and the Miranda at the moment. I may not agree with everything some people want in STO, but they are customers just like I am. I firmly believe their voice should have a weight equal to mine. Excluding some ships because, ahem, "They're _______, you blasphemous wretch!", seems wrong. Star Trek is a large enough tent so that there should be room in it for everyone who professes an appreciation for it, as well as enjoying this game.
There are some parts of Star Trek and STO I like a lot less than others. Other people who play this game enjoy these same parts far more than I can. My opinions on the parts I don't like are my own and I see no need to express them here. It is more important to me that all of us who are fans of Star Trek and STO get a chance to use and do the things we enjoy than it is for me to willy nilly decide another fan shouldn't have something in the game because it doesn't fit my view of Star Trek and STO "ought" to be.
That's why I specify: those ships are fine as playable ships, but they shouldn't be flown by NPCs, nor should they be in the main lineup of ships that Starfleet issues you.
As for the other stuff:
The Ambassador was still used, yeah. That's just like how the Sovereign would still be used in 2409. The Galaxy is a really old ship, and it wasn't designed for combat in the first place. But age is the major factor here, which is why even the Defiant probably should be retired by now. It's sixty years old. It's not going to hold up to modern standards.
As for the Prometheus? I hadn't actually considered that. You're right; it may have just been an experimental, elite ship. However, game info says that the original model had multi-vector, but that was abandoned to create the model we see in-game. (The t4 model, which is the standard issue one.) In any case, things like the Defiant MIGHT be viable, since it's not much older than the Sovereign -- but keep in mind, the Sovereign is still an extremely old design. Starfleet should be using mostly stuff that was developed well post-Nemesis. So the Regent, the Sao Paulo, the Intrepid's version of that whose name I can't recall, with the Odyssey and Vesta as the newer ships. It's been FIFTY YEARS since Nemesis. Even the Scimitar should barely be flyable these days.
@Shpoks: That's more like it. As long as it's not another model of the Miranda or something. But we do definitely need a 25th-century Federation frigate, both as an NPC ship and a starter.
i find it amazing that the people that scream "give me T5 connie/miranda!" are the same people that blame cryptic for doing something "uncanon" like dinosaurs or subspace party amplifiers, or god forbid women running around ESD in swimwear.
STO takes place in the 25th century. 2409. the miranda shouldnt even be around. a few were in service during the dominion war, but only because literally EVERYTHING with a gun was being sent to the front lines.
the connie wasnt even seen in the fight, and if it wasnt in the dominion war, chances are all of them were already gone and scrapped so why would any be around in STO?
i think the few we get to fly are more like the training ships starfleet keeps around for cadets. the new tutorial even hints at this. we arent even commanders flying these ships after all, it's like starfleet is giving us a field training course basically.
on a side note, the galaxy class is a bit different. while i'm not a fan of it, as a hardcore Star trek fan, i know that in the most recent battle we've seen (the dominion war) the galaxy class was still a fantastic front lines vessel, capable of being a suitable tank, and multi-function vessel for starfleet. its a shame STO galaxy doesnt live up to this role very easily. in the 30 ish years, its hard to believe this mostly modern class couldnt be retrofitted to still be perfectly usable in 2409. we saw how long the excelsior lasted, the galaxy should've had the same sort of run.
i shall end however by saying, star trek fans dont really know what they want. cryptic has the tough job of giving what people ask for, even when they dont know what they want themselves.
There are many posts about wanting a tier 5 connie[no this is not a thread about that!], or wanting JJ Verse enterprise, or god every known combination or permutation of the Enterprise. And ofcourse I see every other conciviable spelling of enterprise whether it be a tier 2 connie, or a tier 5 soverign.
Here's my stupid question. Is it wrong for me to want to NOT be part of the mold. To want to fly something NEW? Like an Odyssey, or Avenger or Mogh? Something that WASN'T in one of the frakking TV shows?
Or to NOT be Kirk or Picard. To not be one of my heros, but blaze my own trail for my own perspective?
Cause holy jeebus, more I read these forums, more I see "I want a tier 5 connie!" "I want my galaxy to be the biggest BA on the block because it was in TNG!"
I mean is it weird for my Primary toon i want to fly either my avenger or the Odyssey?
Am I crazy? And is anybody else out there that crazy?
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Personally, I like kitbashing the ships into the uncanny valley - like my regent with a sovereign saucer and pylons, but noble hull/deflector and regent nacelles or my D'deridex with D'ridthau downward-swept wings/hull.
I love doing this sort of thing, and am always disappointed when a ship only has one class available.
Talonxv, buddy, you're no more the oddball than them or the rest of us.
The way I see it, we all have an aspect of the wonderful Star Trek franchise that we want implemented in Star Trek Online.
Some of us want the old starships to have T5 equivalents.
Some of us want newer and modernized ships to be the top ranking endgame ships.
Some of us want costumes we saw in the show.
Some of us don't want some of the costumes we saw in the show.
Some of us want some of the alien species and characters we saw in the show.
Some of us don't want some of the alien species and characters we saw in the show.
Some of us want our characters to "be present" somehow in all the major events in Star Trek lore.
Some of us want our characters to never be near a ship called Enterprise, Voyager, or a space station called Deep Space Nine.
Some of us want a PvP system to be an integral part of Star Trek Online.
Some of us don't want a prominent PvP system or we just don't care enough.
Etc, etc.
What's the difference? Well, the difference is where each of our niches or desires fall inside the Cryptic Studios development cycle. So what do we do in the meanwhile? Post about it on the forums over and over again, much like a bunch of blue collar workers at the downtown bar complaining on how great it would be if the break room at the company had cable TV. With subscribed TRIBBLE channels.
Member since November 2009... I think. (UFP) Ragnar
Here's my take on the whole thing. First I agree with the op for me I want to create and blaze my own adventure. I think that's the fun of the game. For others it is reliving the fun they had watching their favorite tv series (DS9 for me btw). I also feel that is a really good appeal of the game to everyone.
However on the subject of starships, in my opionion, the t5 ships should reflect the fect that the year is 2409. And I feel that with a couple of exceptions (excelcisor) they are moving toward that. Take the Galaxy for example. If you buy the 3 pack, you eventually move up to the Galaxy X. Which at the end of TNG, we learn Riker refits the classic Galaxy to the X so the Enterprise wouldn't be decommishioned. So for me I feel that the X is the natural evolution for the Galaxy (despite there being a huge thread that disagrees with me).
And as a side note, after the Mirror event, I never want to see another freaking Miranda again.
I love doing this sort of thing, and am always disappointed when a ship only has one class available.
And telling us this required you to necro a three-month-old thread?
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
There are many posts about wanting a tier 5 connie[no this is not a thread about that!], or wanting JJ Verse enterprise, or god every known combination or permutation of the Enterprise. And ofcourse I see every other conciviable spelling of enterprise whether it be a tier 2 connie, or a tier 5 soverign.
Here's my stupid question. Is it wrong for me to want to NOT be part of the mold. To want to fly something NEW? Like an Odyssey, or Avenger or Mogh? Something that WASN'T in one of the frakking TV shows?
That said. I always have been a voyager fan. Skipped ds9 as a whole,(really didnt draw me as much as the other ones). The day i received my first intrepid in the game i was like .This is cool, but really not what i see my captain as driving.
Then a few months back i got to test drive a Fortuner sport. A few days later, i drove the oddy with the featured episode and i was in love with that ship from the that moment on .Both the fortuner and the oddy represent to me the same thing. Style and wicked coolness.
The moment i owned my own, i invited almost all my friends to the bridge. Just to walk into my door of my ready room.
Really you choose your path. Try different styles and stick with it. My karen is a oddball captain, she has holodeck technology installed every inch of her ship. Her spare time , she runs in the holodeck and just to top it off. Her best friend is a cat . Who eats tribbles ( unless they are cannibal versions.)
The only beef i have. Is that we can create missions, but we cannot customise an interior of our ships for ourselves. Really . Give me an abillity to create my own inner ship.
As for the t5 ship. Pfft. To each his own..
(Pink Alert all hand brace for Chevron Seperation)
Whether you think you are right or wrong, either way you are RIGHT.
There are many posts about wanting a tier 5 connie[no this is not a thread about that!], or wanting JJ Verse enterprise, or god every known combination or permutation of the Enterprise. And ofcourse I see every other conciviable spelling of enterprise whether it be a tier 2 connie, or a tier 5 soverign.
Here's my stupid question. Is it wrong for me to want to NOT be part of the mold. To want to fly something NEW? Like an Odyssey, or Avenger or Mogh? Something that WASN'T in one of the frakking TV shows?
Or to NOT be Kirk or Picard. To not be one of my heros, but blaze my own trail for my own perspective?
Cause holy jeebus, more I read these forums, more I see "I want a tier 5 connie!" "I want my galaxy to be the biggest BA on the block because it was in TNG!"
I mean is it weird for my Primary toon i want to fly either my avenger or the Odyssey?
Am I crazy? And is anybody else out there that crazy?
how is it not about the Connie or JJcrapverse enterprise when the whole arguement is about it. seriously why are you flogging the horse around for? i would of thought you of all posters wouldnt do such a thing, especially about this...
i dont care for the TOS connie and i certainly dont care for that non-canon jjcrap enterprise (and i couldnt give a damn what anyone tries to state otherwise, im not having it on this specifically).
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
There are many posts about wanting a tier 5 connie[no this is not a thread about that!], or wanting JJ Verse enterprise, or god every known combination or permutation of the Enterprise. And ofcourse I see every other conciviable spelling of enterprise whether it be a tier 2 connie, or a tier 5 soverign.
Here's my stupid question. Is it wrong for me to want to NOT be part of the mold. To want to fly something NEW? Like an Odyssey, or Avenger or Mogh? Something that WASN'T in one of the frakking TV shows?
Or to NOT be Kirk or Picard. To not be one of my heros, but blaze my own trail for my own perspective?
Cause holy jeebus, more I read these forums, more I see "I want a tier 5 connie!" "I want my galaxy to be the biggest BA on the block because it was in TNG!"
I mean is it weird for my Primary toon i want to fly either my avenger or the Odyssey?
Am I crazy? And is anybody else out there that crazy?
if you are an oddball then so am I, who cares if a ship wasn't in one of the shows or movies, this is meant to be set at a later time so there could be many ships or many other features an aliens that we have never seen before, it really makes my nerves jangle when I see players moan that this or that isn't canon.
as far as I am concerned if its in any star trek its canon, that includes any tv shows, movies, books, fan movies or games.
therefor if its in sto its canon and that's that.
that even includes dinosaurs with lasers that seems to be a big no no with many people who shout canon, if its in sto its canon that includes any other stuff they care to add.
and in case anyone is wondering I am a big fan of star trek in any form, seen all the shows, films, fan movies on the net etc. in case they think im just saying that cos I never watched star trek.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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Why are you not rejoicing?
Excelsior's, Constitution's, and Miranda's I understand not needing to be in the game from a story point. They were dated by the time the Enterprise D was in service. Hell, you can't put a Phaser Strip on an Excelsior. The Connie is thrown in game just because it has no reason at all. The Miranda..well maybe from a story point of view it just be a training ship/transport runner? It' fills one of those role's in the tutorial. However, as for the rest I'll have to disagree.
The Galaxy isn't a prime player; I agree, by 2409 but she still has a use in the federation. Even if one was upgraded it may not be on the level of an Odyssey but as an exploration/defense/diplomatic cruiser the galaxy is great in the role. The Ambassador Class was a fleet flagship once to. They didn't just go away because of the Galaxy came along. They just took a lesser role. Why can't that be the same for the Galaxy Class. Toss in the Refit (Dreadnought Cruiser) and they have every right to still be in use.
Nebula's from a story standpoint would still be in use if you ask me. Modular design, long range explorer, reasonable firepower, and while not on the level of ships like the sovereign/regent/Odyssey it can do the mundane work and exploration.
The Defiant class would still be in use. The Federation is at war and the Defiant is a ship made for war. Retrofit or not the ship packs a punch, it's compact, tough, and a proven design. It's like an A-10 Warthog in spirit. It's not a Prometheus but it is allot less complicated than a Prometheus which mean's it's easier to build and field. Not to mention she fits a niche role in the Federation with limited crew. In either case, the Sao Paulos no great jump from the Defiant so why get rid of them.
As for the Prometheus. Why does anyone think this ship would be mass produced on large enough number? It has Multi-vector Assault Mode. This isn't a Galaxy class saucer separation we are talking about here. It's a single ship separating into three warp capable ships able to engage one or several targets. Toss in the automation factor and the Prometheus is so advanced it take allot longer time to construct, test, field test, and then put into use in the fleet.
Just going to stop here. I don't want to make this to long. The point however is most ships have a reason for being in game. That, or the fact the Federation is at war with...everything honestly and they will field the most ancient ship and load it up with new tech. It seems to work for the Klingon's.
However...
I think the people who prefer the ships you do not should be allowed to have it their way as well. I am as surprised as you may be to find this is what I think about the Connie and the Miranda at the moment. I may not agree with everything some people want in STO, but they are customers just like I am. I firmly believe their voice should have a weight equal to mine. Excluding some ships because, ahem, "They're _______, you blasphemous wretch!", seems wrong. Star Trek is a large enough tent so that there should be room in it for everyone who professes an appreciation for it, as well as enjoying this game.
There are some parts of Star Trek and STO I like a lot less than others. Other people who play this game enjoy these same parts far more than I can. My opinions on the parts I don't like are my own and I see no need to express them here. It is more important to me that all of us who are fans of Star Trek and STO get a chance to use and do the things we enjoy than it is for me to willy nilly decide another fan shouldn't have something in the game because it doesn't fit my view of Star Trek and STO "ought" to be.
Nostalgia is fine but it can be taken too far, we do not need a sky full of Star Trek Model Ts Model As and Edsels in what is supposed to be the 25th century, all because someone is taking his gaming fantasy to the level of "Oh my God someone call a doctor".
I want to see new futuristic ships, not antiques, if I want to see the antiques, I'll watch re-runs.
Then the C-Store ships started appearing; and when it got to the Excelsior being the best Tactical Cruiser in the game until the Fleet Sovereign appeared 3 years later it was quite clear that canon meant nothing in STO. Couple that with all the alien ships in the game now and STO has become "whatever the players wanted to be happy and were willing to spend money on" canon.
That is why I created my Signature. STO is a fan-boy's fantasy of 6 Trek series and a dozen movies all picked clean and rolled into a single game. At this point I would not care if they added a T5 Connie or a T5 Phoenix because canon was shot out the airlock 4 years ago. Now it is just about making players happy; and if a T5 Connie makes some happy so be it. That means more money for Cryptic, and thus more content for all of us.
So you're THAT player..... :rolleyes:
At least he isn't a Polandball.
That said, I don't support them personally. Hero ships are for collectors and history buffs. Flying the replica should be like a captain hobby thing, not a legitimate duty posting. Even the Miranda is used for cadet training cruises now, which is kind of a testament to how seriously starfleet takes the ship.
But then again, I'm not in love with any of the hero ship designs, their looks just don't do it for me, or even inspire enough nostalgia from watching the shows to get me past the lack of physical attraction, so what do I know?
I also think it's downright silly how seriously people take hating JJ Trek. It's just cliche at this point. Nobody ever likes the new anything, and nobody's shocked to hear that New Kirk and New Enterprise don't do it for anyone who grew up playing with spock and data action figures. Unfortunately for you, the movies are canon, but encapsulated safely away from your beloved, virgin IP by means of the whole Alternate Reality caveat. If cryptic says they won't do them, fine, but some people foam at the mouth and clutch their chests every time somebody even brings up the movies. Which, by the way, are fun to watch if you just turn your brain off and enjoy the sensory input for a couple hours. God forbid anyone take the level of scrutiny JJtrek is put to by the fanbse to TOS. And it's still better than Voyager. Exponentially. In every way.
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I'm not odd. Not at all.
That's why I specify: those ships are fine as playable ships, but they shouldn't be flown by NPCs, nor should they be in the main lineup of ships that Starfleet issues you.
As for the other stuff:
The Ambassador was still used, yeah. That's just like how the Sovereign would still be used in 2409. The Galaxy is a really old ship, and it wasn't designed for combat in the first place. But age is the major factor here, which is why even the Defiant probably should be retired by now. It's sixty years old. It's not going to hold up to modern standards.
As for the Prometheus? I hadn't actually considered that. You're right; it may have just been an experimental, elite ship. However, game info says that the original model had multi-vector, but that was abandoned to create the model we see in-game. (The t4 model, which is the standard issue one.) In any case, things like the Defiant MIGHT be viable, since it's not much older than the Sovereign -- but keep in mind, the Sovereign is still an extremely old design. Starfleet should be using mostly stuff that was developed well post-Nemesis. So the Regent, the Sao Paulo, the Intrepid's version of that whose name I can't recall, with the Odyssey and Vesta as the newer ships. It's been FIFTY YEARS since Nemesis. Even the Scimitar should barely be flyable these days.
@Shpoks: That's more like it. As long as it's not another model of the Miranda or something. But we do definitely need a 25th-century Federation frigate, both as an NPC ship and a starter.
STO takes place in the 25th century. 2409. the miranda shouldnt even be around. a few were in service during the dominion war, but only because literally EVERYTHING with a gun was being sent to the front lines.
the connie wasnt even seen in the fight, and if it wasnt in the dominion war, chances are all of them were already gone and scrapped so why would any be around in STO?
i think the few we get to fly are more like the training ships starfleet keeps around for cadets. the new tutorial even hints at this. we arent even commanders flying these ships after all, it's like starfleet is giving us a field training course basically.
on a side note, the galaxy class is a bit different. while i'm not a fan of it, as a hardcore Star trek fan, i know that in the most recent battle we've seen (the dominion war) the galaxy class was still a fantastic front lines vessel, capable of being a suitable tank, and multi-function vessel for starfleet. its a shame STO galaxy doesnt live up to this role very easily. in the 30 ish years, its hard to believe this mostly modern class couldnt be retrofitted to still be perfectly usable in 2409. we saw how long the excelsior lasted, the galaxy should've had the same sort of run.
i shall end however by saying, star trek fans dont really know what they want. cryptic has the tough job of giving what people ask for, even when they dont know what they want themselves.
Mike, we need to talk to you.
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I love doing this sort of thing, and am always disappointed when a ship only has one class available.
The way I see it, we all have an aspect of the wonderful Star Trek franchise that we want implemented in Star Trek Online.
Some of us want the old starships to have T5 equivalents.
Some of us want newer and modernized ships to be the top ranking endgame ships.
Some of us want costumes we saw in the show.
Some of us don't want some of the costumes we saw in the show.
Some of us want some of the alien species and characters we saw in the show.
Some of us don't want some of the alien species and characters we saw in the show.
Some of us want our characters to "be present" somehow in all the major events in Star Trek lore.
Some of us want our characters to never be near a ship called Enterprise, Voyager, or a space station called Deep Space Nine.
Some of us want a PvP system to be an integral part of Star Trek Online.
Some of us don't want a prominent PvP system or we just don't care enough.
Etc, etc.
What's the difference? Well, the difference is where each of our niches or desires fall inside the Cryptic Studios development cycle. So what do we do in the meanwhile? Post about it on the forums over and over again, much like a bunch of blue collar workers at the downtown bar complaining on how great it would be if the break room at the company had cable TV. With subscribed TRIBBLE channels.
(UFP) Ragnar
However on the subject of starships, in my opionion, the t5 ships should reflect the fect that the year is 2409. And I feel that with a couple of exceptions (excelcisor) they are moving toward that. Take the Galaxy for example. If you buy the 3 pack, you eventually move up to the Galaxy X. Which at the end of TNG, we learn Riker refits the classic Galaxy to the X so the Enterprise wouldn't be decommishioned. So for me I feel that the X is the natural evolution for the Galaxy (despite there being a huge thread that disagrees with me).
And as a side note, after the Mirror event, I never want to see another freaking Miranda again.
And telling us this required you to necro a three-month-old thread?
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All I want is a Star Destroyer....
Is that too much to ask for?
That said. I always have been a voyager fan. Skipped ds9 as a whole,(really didnt draw me as much as the other ones). The day i received my first intrepid in the game i was like .This is cool, but really not what i see my captain as driving.
Then a few months back i got to test drive a Fortuner sport. A few days later, i drove the oddy with the featured episode and i was in love with that ship from the that moment on .Both the fortuner and the oddy represent to me the same thing. Style and wicked coolness.
The moment i owned my own, i invited almost all my friends to the bridge. Just to walk into my door of my ready room.
Really you choose your path. Try different styles and stick with it. My karen is a oddball captain, she has holodeck technology installed every inch of her ship. Her spare time , she runs in the holodeck and just to top it off. Her best friend is a cat . Who eats tribbles ( unless they are cannibal versions.)
The only beef i have. Is that we can create missions, but we cannot customise an interior of our ships for ourselves. Really . Give me an abillity to create my own inner ship.
As for the t5 ship. Pfft. To each his own..
(Pink Alert all hand brace for Chevron Seperation)
how is it not about the Connie or JJcrapverse enterprise when the whole arguement is about it. seriously why are you flogging the horse around for? i would of thought you of all posters wouldnt do such a thing, especially about this...
i dont care for the TOS connie and i certainly dont care for that non-canon jjcrap enterprise (and i couldnt give a damn what anyone tries to state otherwise, im not having it on this specifically).
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
if you are an oddball then so am I, who cares if a ship wasn't in one of the shows or movies, this is meant to be set at a later time so there could be many ships or many other features an aliens that we have never seen before, it really makes my nerves jangle when I see players moan that this or that isn't canon.
as far as I am concerned if its in any star trek its canon, that includes any tv shows, movies, books, fan movies or games.
therefor if its in sto its canon and that's that.
that even includes dinosaurs with lasers that seems to be a big no no with many people who shout canon, if its in sto its canon that includes any other stuff they care to add.
and in case anyone is wondering I am a big fan of star trek in any form, seen all the shows, films, fan movies on the net etc. in case they think im just saying that cos I never watched star trek.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Hey, who isnt in their own way. Welcome.
R.I.P
Everyone's a sick and twisted snowflake.
It's very nice and I've told you to never call me "Miranda."