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Give us CLASSIC PVP - Updated
A PVP Q where all DOFFs, Universal Consoles and Lobi Store Items are disabled.
99% of all people who don't PVP because it's broke and its all due to DOFFs, Universal Consoles and Lobi Store Items.
Classic PVP Items To Disable
Disable DOFFs
Disable Universal Consoles
Disable Lobi Store Items
Disable BOFF Traits for example 2% CRIT
Disable All Character Traits
Disable Keybinds
Allow the normal Captain who doesn't have
A PVP Q where all DOFFs, Universal Consoles and Lobi Store Items are disabled.
99% of all people who don't PVP because it's broke and its all due to DOFFs, Universal Consoles and Lobi Store Items.
Classic PVP Items To Disable
Disable DOFFs
Disable Universal Consoles
Disable Lobi Store Items
Disable BOFF Traits for example 2% CRIT
Disable All Character Traits
Disable Keybinds
Allow the normal Captain who doesn't have
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OP means traits like Leadership, Efficent and most notably Superior Operative.
Even in a stripped down PvP environment, there will still be haves and have-nots. Anyone with keybinds/macros win. Anyone with high accuracy weapons win. Anyone with PvP experience will win. Anyone with a battlecloak will win. And worst of all, teamwork would still be OP.
And are we limiting the ships? Ship console sets? Might as well get rid of warp cores since we're rolling back to a "purer" PvP time. It's a slippery slope and it will never end; something will always be OP.
The only actual barrier of entry to PvP is an individual's willingness to expend effort.
I totally agree PVP should be about one's skills, not about necessary equipment.
PVP should be fun and available to anyone who wants to join.
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PvP have not 1 or 2 problems but much more...
Well, that's how it should be, but Cryptic doesn't have a vested interest in such competitive PvP, because they make their money selling those same mechanics to players, both to bend and break PvE, as well as to entice and drive players to spend their time in PvE, grinding away at content they may very well not want to do or have interest in to keep the queues there running, while at the same time putting pressure on those who mostly PvP to grind to stay up to par with other players lest they risk becoming obsololete.
...Or at least that's how its been for most Seasons since the launch of f2p (can't really speak to before f2p as I wasn't playing before then), this one has been, Nicor aside and kit revamp aside, fairly light on the power stampede. No new wave of even better DOff's, and the new rep system has nice things for space (especially that trait which basically gives you the stacking DR perk that Elite Fleet Shields have). However, even in light of that, there are now bounds on how powerful an effect traits can have (yeah, they need a balance pass, so do a great deal of things), they're starting to push the open zones gameplay angle harder, it's starting to look to me like they're ramping up to a PvP revamp involving that zone-affecting-other-zones stuff they were talking about a year or so ago. Not quickly, since they need to incorporate PvE content that can, let's say, acclimate folks to needing to work as a team to accomplish things. Loadouts are, I think, a step towards this as well, letting you have your Healer, or CC'er, or Spiker setup for PvP, and your everyday PvE setup available to you otherwise.
/ramble off
Need more coffee.
IT really depends. I just find it ironic after a week of the solo queues, the "pugs" have found another reason not PvP, 1st premades, and now this. They also have gone out of the way to call use whiners because we felt this skill, boff, doff, rep set was OP'd.
separate PvP queue. All players welcome, any ship welcome.
All special/universal consoles removed except for those that come with the ship, and they will remain in the slot they originally came equipped to.
All weapons are reduced to standard issue, and all other consoles (tac, eng, sci) are reduced to Mk 1. Shields are reduced to standard issue of the same type (normal, regenerative, resilient, covarient).
Ships with hangars have their fighters switched to the original equipped pets.
Any and all traits are turned off, all BOFF abilities are reduced to level 1, all captain abilities are reduced to level 1.
All custom keybinds are removed, and replaced with the original keybinds. Macros are removed. If you use a joystick or controller, its keybinds are removed and replaced with a preset design.
All outside chats (such as team speak) are disabled, so teams don't have an unfair advantage in pug queues.
Devices are limited to what everyone has access to. Devices that require subscription or lifetime accounts to unlock will be removed, and each player can only load 5 devices of a certain type (batteries, turrets, etc).
STF drops were removed, why it was said to hard or unfair.
Wow is PVP not in the same current state or worse impossible if you don't have the right gear, DOFF, and etc.
Having a Classic PVP queue is fair for all.
Make a tourney based on those rules.
There's nobody in this thread saying it would be bad, just people correcting your assumptions. I mean, when you consider all the imbalances that are designed in by cryptic (fleet gear, lockbox ships, etc) then its obvious that you cant just stop with reps and consoles and doffs. You have to do it fully pre-cooked ships, let people choose the ship type from the available set, that is all. There is absolutely no category in this game that has any clear balance, so the only way to have noob PVP is to remove all variables.
It is kind of trippy seeing folks complain about this as the "next complaint" after the queue thing. Didn't the classic come first in discussions? Cause weren't there more active Fleets/teams going at it back then - so there was less "pugstomping" (which itself came about more as Fleets/teams left, leaving those that remained with fewer opponents - or is that all just rationalizing and I'm remembering it completely wrong?)...
Romulans get 7.5% bonus in crit over Feds and klingons
smells like cheese to me
If new players only last a few seconds in pvp how many times will they que it up ?
Got to have a easy level for pvp to get them interested
what we have is demorlizing to them and makes them quit
anyone with any common sense at all should see thet
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pretty much this. I tried queuing for pvp again today just to make sure it was a lost cause and yup. perma disables. skills iv never heard of and not being able to kill or tank effectively no matter what I do. pvp is broken and has a clear accessibility issue. maybe in a year when I have every piece of gear and every fantastic console il be able to compete. but not now, for now its simply a form of self abuse.
which sucks for me to say cause im pretty big on pvp, I love going against other players. but dieing unfairly in seconds time after time where the only lesson you learn is, you don't have this console or you don't have this set so you get owned. im sure il try again when im geared but honestly only because im a fan of pvp. im sure anyone who isn't that big on it will try it once then never again.
Romulans get 7.5% bonus in crit over Feds and klingons
Classic PVP Queue should be fair and available for everyone to play.
Veteran player like myself with five 2% Crit BOFFs is not equal to KDF, Feds, or New players.
Good news for you: You won't need all that premium gear and cheese. You'll simple need a team to play with. Otherwise you will never compete in PvP.
Coordinated teamplay >>> any gear/ship/cheese
You can stomp any aux2noobing scimitar troll teams with the right set-up and strategy on your team. There're counters to anything, and if your team knows how to coordinate those counters, nothing is impossible - even with TRIBBLE gear.
This. /10char
Kahless moQdu! Some of the complaints about fairness in PvP is ignorant.
At which point did "I dont understand and didnt bother to learn" become the fault of the system?
R.I.P
It is what ever excuse can be used to explain why "they" lost except for that which lies behind the keyboard.
R.I.P
So pvp is broken because you never heard of some skills?
Quote worthy. no offense.
Basically, what you are saying is that you expect to jump in pvp and pwn left, right and center without knowing mechanics of the game, making effort to learn said mechanics, making any effort to get any gear?
I'm sorry, but you are not big on pvp or or pvp fan IF that is your expectation
Which is why we need matchmaking and leaderboards.
There is a simple solution, and you could adapt to pvp way more easily.
I know that is discouraging for new players to jump in pvp, especially ppl that cannot stand to lose no matter what, but you will not ever get any better if you think that gear will bring your skills up in this game.
If you are really interested in pvp there are many ways to enter, and you DO NOT nead top gear to play pvp. You just need to know how things function, just like in an FPS game you need to know how weapons fire and recoil.
Disclaimer: i meant no personal offense with a bit harsher tone: you will get my point.
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STO PvP is IMO one of the hardest I've ever seen. Understanding how ships fly, doffs, skills, passives, careers took me quite a lot of time to get used to. Some can't possibly imagine to go in PvP and expect to start nuking faces expecting to be Q-like entity.
Skills I've never heard of = newcomer.
Perma disables = learn to get away or call for help from team to heal you / draw aggro away.
Not being able to tank or kill = if the team sucks you won't tank/kill anyone, proven fact because you won't be given a chance of doing so.
If you go with a ship equipped with items from drops you'll obviously lose to someone better geared than you. And honestly, everyone has the same potential in PvP. I've grinded so hard to get all three Scimitars, I should see them nerfed and all the high-end equipment gone now because people can't deal with them? Sorry but world doesn't rotate around average community. There's always a counter, and what's worse is that many can't accept the fact that someone is better than him.
Which brings us back to start and continue the loop until someone rants again.
I have to be honest, never heard of you in OPVP, never seen you in a queue, ignored existence until now. You claim to be big on PvP and rant over it? Doesn't make sense.