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  • sophus84atsophus84at Member Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    wasnt this the case also with the Fett survinving in a Book? and people debate if its canon or not?
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  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Does not matter anyways since we are all living in the Matrix!:eek:

    That is not canon...
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Seriously..... <.< >.>
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    sophus84at wrote: »
    wasnt this the case also with the Fett survinving in a Book? and people debate if its canon or not?

    The way I understand the Star Wars EU canon literally everything is canon, there are just priorities within the materials.
    Movies > Clone wars series > Books > games > everything else

    So if you make up something write that into the Star Wiki is canon as long as it doesn't contradict anything from other source material its canon.

    Therefore: since nothing contradicts Boba Fett having survived... its canon by that logic.
    But I might be entirely off here...
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    alllllrighty then!
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Its not even really up to the writers to "decide".
    Even writers can't "Decide" something to be canon they have to show it on screen. They can't decide something not being canon that was on screen.
    True enough.
    That is not canon...
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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    oracion666 wrote: »
    So. . . is the mirror universe not canon?

    The Roddenberry Prime Universe Mirror Universe is canon, just not the fake JarJarVerse Mirror Universe.

    You just have to know which nonexistent fictional Prime Universe you're dealing with to know if it's Really Real, Really Fake, Fictionally Real, or Fictionally Fake. :P
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    JJ-trek is not canon. Period.

    To quote someone very wise - who has consulted the Official web site, holders of the sacred canon......
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    Your opinions do not count.

    Taken from StarTrek.com

    Database;
    The Offical Star Trek Canon.

    Star Trek Introduction
    Navigator
    Series Pages:
    Star Trek: Voyager
    Star Trek: The Original Series
    Star Trek: The Next Generation
    Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
    Star Trek: Enterprise
    Star Trek: The Animated Series
    Movie Pages:
    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
    Star Trek (2009)
    Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
    Star Trek Nemesis
    Star Trek Generations
    Star Trek Insurrection
    Star Trek: The Motion Picture
    Star Trek Into Darkness
    Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
    Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
    Star Trek First Contact

    So whinge all you want, JJ Trek is canon and can be used as proof of something :P

    So, JJ trek is canon - period ! :P
  • jumpingjsjumpingjs Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I have a serious question.

    Who says "yay" or "nay" to the writers?

    Was it JJ Abrams?

    (Who was, ultimately, responsible for the mockery that was the 2009 film?)
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  • jumpingjsjumpingjs Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    To quote someone very wise - who has consulted the Official web site, holders of the sacred canon......



    So, JJ trek is canon - period ! :P

    I think it is ... but ... but ... *attempts to articulate*

    It is canon, in its own TRIBBLE way.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jumpingjs wrote: »
    I think it is ... but ... but ... *attempts to articulate*

    It is cannon, in its own TRIBBLE way.

    Well it certainly needs to be shot with a cannon. But that's not what we're talking about. :P
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jumpingjs wrote: »
    I think it is ... but ... but ... *attempts to articulate*

    It is cannon, in its own TRIBBLE way.

    Cannon = kills things.

    Canon = sacred and holy law of the IP that must never be argued or compromised.


    Just so you know ;)

    (and yes, I've had this done to me :P lol)
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Well it certainly needs to be shot with a cannon. But that's not what we're talking about. :P

    Change "with a cannon" to read "out of a cannon" and I'm on board 100%. :D
  • jumpingjsjumpingjs Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jockey1979 wrote: »
    Cannon = kills things.

    Canon = sacred and holy law of the IP that must never be argued or compromised.


    Just so you know ;)

    (and yes, I've had this done to me :P lol)

    2009 Canon should be Cannoned ... by a cannon, on a canon!
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jumpingjs wrote: »
    2009 Canon should be Cannoned ... by a cannon, on a canon!

    LMAO

    Well put :)
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Roddenberry Prime Universe Mirror Universe is canon, just not the fake JarJarVerse Mirror Universe.

    You just have to know which nonexistent fictional Prime Universe you're dealing with to know if it's Really Real, Really Fake, Fictionally Real, or Fictionally Fake. :P
    Wait, only Prime Roddenberry's universe? How about Mirror Roddenberry's JJverse?

    I'm so confused! :(
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    there are two different star treks. There's Prime Star trek, which this game is based off of. Then there's JJtrek canon. What happens at the battle killing Kirk's father is where it diverts from our prime star trek.

    So people arguing that whatever event happened in jjtrek, is not canon for prime star trek. Just because it happened in jjtrek doesn't make it canon. It's canon for JJtrek, not for STO. In fact, STO sets its own canon as well. However JJtrek is based off JJ's own version of star trek. He created an event and went nuts with it.

    STO is based off Prime Star trek. I am tired of people pointing to jj trek to demand stuff, like the star ship Vengeance. That is a different Federation, a different Star Trek.

    Now, the mirror universe... what happens there can be canon as it is a universe the prime universe is aware of. The JJ universe, nobody is aware of in Prime Universe
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    there are two different star treks. There's Prime Star trek, which this game is based off of. Then there's JJtrek canon. What happens at the battle killing Kirk's father is where it diverts from our prime star trek.

    So people arguing that whatever event happened in jjtrek, is not canon for prime star trek. Just because it happened in jjtrek doesn't make it canon. It's canon for JJtrek, not for STO. In fact, STO sets its own canon as well. However JJtrek is based off JJ's own version of star trek. He created an event and went nuts with it.

    STO is based off Prime Star trek. I am tired of people pointing to jj trek to demand stuff, like the star ship Vengeance. That is a different Federation, a different Star Trek.

    Now, the mirror universe... what happens there can be canon as it is a universe the prime universe is aware of. The JJ universe, nobody is aware of in Prime Universe

    Basically what this guys says. Hell in the 2009 star trek Spock even says since the events of losing the USS Kelvin and Kirks father time as been completely shifted and created an alternate reality.

    Sorry Anything in what JJ created, is completely separate from what happened in the show we know form the 60s onwards.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    JJ-trek is not canon. Period.

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  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    orangeitis wrote: »
    Wait, only Prime Roddenberry's universe? How about Mirror Roddenberry's JJverse?

    I'm so confused! :(

    No no, you've actually got it.

    ...the confusion is just an indication that you're aware of its relevance to...well...anything of significance. :D
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    JJ-trek is not canon. Period.



    But for those who beg to disagree, that's fine. I'll throw you a bone why it isn't canon. JJTrek takes place in another universe, another time. Yes, Spock is lost to us and when he left this timeline, he left canon.

    Star Trek Canon is the timeline in which Kirk actually worked for his promotion, in which Vulcan never fell and Pike dies of old age instead of being assassinated.



    Now JJtrek is an entirely different concept and anything that happens in that timeline is limited to jjtrekcanon, otherwise known as jj-canon, not star trek canon. What happens in that timeline is that timeline, it doesn't happen in "Star Trek". That's why we call it JJtrek.

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  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It is it just takes place in an alternate Universe.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    age03 wrote: »
    It is it just takes place in an alternate Universe.

    Pretty much what I said. It's canon, it just doesn't affect anything we actually care about (other than, you know, the whole Hobus thing).
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  • bladewolf5bladewolf5 Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    Pretty much what I said. It's canon, it just doesn't affect anything we actually care about (other than, you know, the whole Hobus thing).

    haha....well said:D
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jumpingjs wrote: »
    I have a serious question.

    Who says "yay" or "nay" to the writers?

    Was it JJ Abrams?

    (Who was, ultimately, responsible for the mockery that was the 2009 film?)
    The answer to that question is very simple: Majel Roddenberry. Yeah, she was involved with the film personally. She even did the computer voice for the "JJ-prise".
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    JJ-trek is not canon. Period.



    But for those who beg to disagree, that's fine. I'll throw you a bone why it isn't canon. JJTrek takes place in another universe, another time. Yes, Spock is lost to us and when he left this timeline, he left canon.

    Star Trek Canon is the timeline in which Kirk actually worked for his promotion, in which Vulcan never fell and Pike dies of old age instead of being assassinated.



    Now JJtrek is an entirely different concept and anything that happens in that timeline is limited to jjtrekcanon, otherwise known as jj-canon, not star trek canon. What happens in that timeline is that timeline, it doesn't happen in "Star Trek". That's why we call it JJtrek.

    Hate to disappoint you, but an alternate universe is canon.
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  • bladewolf5bladewolf5 Member Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Hate to disappoint you, but an alternate universe is canon.

    haha...maybe this quantum reality universe, spock reborn as a female vulcan :D, lol...story might become sexy.;)
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bladewolf5 wrote: »
    haha...maybe this quantum reality universe, spock reborn as a female vulcan :D, lol...story might become sexy.;)

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,750 Community Moderator
    edited April 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    What does Rule 63 have to do with this?

    I'd be interested to find out.

    On the OP's subject... I just don't understand why people keep insisting it doesn't exist or anything like that. The timeline split in 2233, branching off into a seperate universe that opens the door for new stories. Everything we know still exists, just on a seperate branch from the one we saw start in 2233. Alternate realities are canon, as seen in various episodes of various shows, one notable one being that episode of TNG with how many versions of the Enterprise appearing and Worf caught in the middle? Who says one of those Enterprises wasn't from the AR created by the Narada?
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