@OP - what you say makes sense in universe, but the design decision to separate cloaks in game was not made due to semantics, but because of game mechanics. I'm not justifying either, just saying.
Although I'm starting to become very amused by threads where when it simply comes to gaining something more all the people discuss stuff primarily relevant to PvP as if they were PvP-ing on daily basis, but whenever there's a nerf or a balance pass those same people groan how PvP should be deleted, how everyhting bad that happens in STO is PvP's fault, how noone cares about PvP, etc.
Being akin to politics,if it buffs your party it is a must have with obviuos logic - even if its not balanced.
Without compensation to existing BC'ers or new handicaps to offset those that benefit from the change, this idea is out of balance.
some questions.. is this game not soley based upon an ip that has established itself through having the most televised, and the most movies to its name?
when building a "star trek" game, shouldn't the game be based around, oh I don't know, star trek..
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Don't confuse game play mechanics, with Canon, becasue they don't mix very well....becasue then I would demand Cryptic to have my Galaxy X rip through KDF ships like tissue paper, my Scimitar wiping out anything in it's way without thinking.
Every video game based on trek has always put canon on the side for game play.
And i don't see how having a cloak makes it less Trek, when Cloak is not a Trek only thing.
yes I have suggested that they keep the defiant original specifications by including the Romulan dederdex cloak as it shows in the specs , so please ARC make these simple changes, defiant also hada shuttle by capable of carrying 2 Danoob runabouts
yes I have suggested that they keep the defiant original specifications by including the Romulan dederdex cloak as it shows in the specs , so please ARC make these simple changes, defiant also hada shuttle by capable of carrying 2 Danoob runabouts
Feds get a Romulan science SRO with that cloak too.......For Free )
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Actually Romulan Battle Cloaks have little to nothing to do with the reduced power from Singularity Cores. The power limitation is made up for by singularity powers like singularity overcharge, warp shadow and singularity jump.
As for the OP, I'm in two minds as to whether everyone should suddenly have battle cloaks. Having toons on all 3 sides I do sometimes miss being able to cloak mid battle and (if I timed it right) get away from a fight alive.
On the other hand I also miss the tough hulls and strong heals that Feds have when I'm not playing Fed side. Likewise there would be things I miss from the Klingon side if I played that side often enough.
So how do we do this? Do we just take all the strengths of all the factions and give them to all factions so we all end up exactly the same? That's what threads like these come down to essentially. Feds wants what Romulans and Klingons have, Klingons want what Feds and Romulans have and Romulans want what Feds and Klingons have.
So do we throw it all together into some murky grey pool of sludge where it doesn't matter what faction you join because everyone is identical? Or do players wake up and realize that all they have to do to get what Faction X have is to create a Faction X toon?
I love my Fed Tac for what he is and while I would love to hit and run like a Romulan I came to realize that no matter how hard I try I cannot turn a human Fed into a Romulan. So I created a Romulan Tac for the times I'm in the mood for some cloak and run antics. Maybe you should too?
To your point about the Romulans singularity charge being tied to the power penalty, I feel this is more of a trinity where you have the singularity core, BC and power penalty. I think if they were to take away the BC many people would be pissed. I tried finding some literature in Star Trek lore to support this idea but haven't found anything yet. If this is not directly related, I'm sure it is probably indirectly related by the original game devs, as a means of balance in factions.
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no sense in sto making these ships unless they match the specification exactly on these ships, aka more star trek like, like I said about the Defiant specs this should go for the rest of the ships on STO as well, also if it is a Universal console, then it should actually meen UNIVERSAL for all ships, not just some ships, the defeats the purpose of calling it Universal
no sense in sto making these ships unless they match the specification exactly on these ships, aka more star trek like, like I said about the Defiant specs this should go for the rest of the ships on STO as well, also if it is a Universal console, then it should actually meen UNIVERSAL for all ships, not just some ships, the defeats the purpose of calling it Universal
It's called universal becasue they can go into any slot
No sorry. Only the Defiant should have cloak. And Starfleet NEVER will have cloaks.
This is a game for people who likes star trek, obviously, people who ask for a starfleet universal cloak must be only players that like the game, not star trek.
BUT, i agree. The Defiant cloak should be integrated, that is another fail from cryptic. As many others.
well... all i can say is defiant was not first fed ship with a cloak, aka Dreadnought and there was also the one commander Riker was on, experimental cloak, now if I recall Riker was on the first ship that had cloaking tech of any type, but it failed due to mutiny, lol, then comes Dreadnought in last episode of TNG, then Defiant with a romulan Dederdex cloak, ok we have seen 3 fed ships so far with cloaks, now we need a way to sort which ships are Cloak capable and which will not even thought of being used with a cloak, i know, we got a test server, Devs i think it is time to revamp the cloak, either make a universal console you can buy for any ship, or integrate the cloaks into the ships that are supposed to have them so they are not eating up a slot where a better console could be used, i am sure you catch my drift, AKA TIME FOR CHANGE, lol , Specificly the Dreadnought and Defiant need to have their cloaks integrated into the ship so its not taking up console slot this must be done ASAP
It makes sense for the Defiant not to have an integrated cloak.
Because the "Defiant Class" did not have them, the U.S.S. Defiant was a special case.
yeah but apparently no one pays attention to details like this. If you want to go cannon, no other defiant class should have a cloak besides the defiant. Sometimes gameplay is more important than cannon. Cannon should just be the guide.
no sense in sto making these ships unless they match the specification exactly on these ships, aka more star trek like, like I said about the Defiant specs this should go for the rest of the ships on STO as well, also if it is a Universal console, then it should actually meen UNIVERSAL for all ships, not just some ships, the defeats the purpose of calling it Universal
So ships should be dead-on canon but not cloaking? The feds only had three cloaking ships. The Phasecloak testbed that was never used again, Rykers modified Enterprise with cloaking from another timeline and the first Defiant which was later destroyed.
So no phase cloak ever for the feds, one cloaking enterprise for just Ryker because we never saw another fed ship cloak in that timeline (including Beverlys scienceship) and the one cloaking Defiant that nobody gets because it was destroyed. Plus the new Avenger loses cloak since it never existed in canon.
Sounds like feds gimping themselves to me.
Although I'm starting to become very amused by threads where when it simply comes to gaining something more all the people discuss stuff primarily relevant to PvP as if they were PvP-ing on daily basis, but whenever there's a nerf or a balance pass those same people groan how PvP should be deleted, how everyhting bad that happens in STO is PvP's fault, how noone cares about PvP, etc.
Hey, I've basically said exactly that like 2 or 3 times in that 'Aceton Assimilators are OP' thread. Got 'conveniently' ignored.
Talk about selective memory eh? PvP is all well and good when it serves a purpose as a means of wanting something; but the moment a nerf is even talked about or considered, out comes the pitchforks and torches.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
yeah but apparently no one pays attention to details like this. If you want to go cannon, no other defiant class should have a cloak besides the defiant. Sometimes gameplay is more important than cannon. Cannon should just be the guide.
Which is why the cloak as a console is a fair compromise.
No sorry. Only the Defiant should have cloak. And Starfleet NEVER will have cloaks.
This is a game for people who likes star trek, obviously, people who ask for a starfleet universal cloak must be only players that like the game, not star trek.
BUT, i agree. The Defiant cloak should be integrated, that is another fail from cryptic. As many others.
Well to use that logic there is only 1 scimitar and no others right ?
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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^It should also be noted that the first fire while cloak was developed by the Klingons almost a 100 years before the Romulans. So it really doesn't make sense for them not to at least have battle cloak. As for the Federation, maybe they could only use Battle cloak without a console on the Defiant, every other ship requires a console, but it would still be Battle cloak.
That was a conspiracy consisting of Klingon AND Romulan AND Federation traitors, FYI.
I agree with OP, battle cloak and regular cloak should be one and the same. Its how it always was in the shows, that's how it was in the movies, and that's how it was in the novels.
Romulan cloaks are separate from their lower power levels that are compensated for by their singularity powers.
FWIW: The Fed phased cloak testbed ship was called Pegasus. Think it was an Excelsior class.
cryptic wants Fed ships and most lock box ships to be targets for cloaked ships in PvP.........simple as that
PvE isnt impressed with cloaked ships.............
Canon isnt considered by cryptic unless it supports something they want to do
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
plain and simple any ships that can cloak, just need to go ahead and integrate the cloak and get it over with
integrated Cloaking Devices were 1st touted has a feature exclusive to the KDF faction by Cryptic if I'm recalling correctly.
Also if I remember correctly the 1st Defiant that was released by Cryptic had an Integrated Cloaking Device that was latter changed out to a console format so that the special effects of consoles could be monetized latter down the road.
At this stage in the game I doubt that Cryptic would revert back to integrated Cloaking Device on the Defiant.
On a purely selfish note:
I'd like to see a universal cloaking console made available to the KDF faction that could be used on any ship in service to the KDF that does not have integrated Cloaking and did not come out of a Lockbox or the Lobi store.
Then why did Cryptic give the feds the best ability to detect cloaked ships in pvp?
What did cryptic .....GIVE....... to the Feds ?
Nothing was installed on my Fed ships to detect anything
Battlecloaks are ...Free.... on the ship that has them ...part of the ship
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
plain and simple any ships that can cloak, just need to go ahead and integrate the cloak and get it over with
After handicaping the Defiant and AGT classes in some fashion to keep them balanced to the other factions. As a Battle Cruiser the Avenger would be unhandicapped.
So maybe lower the turn of the Defiant and lower the shield modifier of the AGT. That would be fair.
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Being akin to politics,if it buffs your party it is a must have with obviuos logic - even if its not balanced.
Without compensation to existing BC'ers or new handicaps to offset those that benefit from the change, this idea is out of balance.
R.I.P
grass always seems greener on the other side?
or you could just do what eveonline does and make all races able to fly all ships to the point where it doesnt matter what race you pick
I think the Defiant was the only ship with a cloak not shown to be able to cloak while in combat.
Don't confuse game play mechanics, with Canon, becasue they don't mix very well....becasue then I would demand Cryptic to have my Galaxy X rip through KDF ships like tissue paper, my Scimitar wiping out anything in it's way without thinking.
Every video game based on trek has always put canon on the side for game play.
And i don't see how having a cloak makes it less Trek, when Cloak is not a Trek only thing.
Feds get a Romulan science SRO with that cloak too.......For Free
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
To your point about the Romulans singularity charge being tied to the power penalty, I feel this is more of a trinity where you have the singularity core, BC and power penalty. I think if they were to take away the BC many people would be pissed. I tried finding some literature in Star Trek lore to support this idea but haven't found anything yet. If this is not directly related, I'm sure it is probably indirectly related by the original game devs, as a means of balance in factions.
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It's called universal becasue they can go into any slot
This is a game for people who likes star trek, obviously, people who ask for a starfleet universal cloak must be only players that like the game, not star trek.
BUT, i agree. The Defiant cloak should be integrated, that is another fail from cryptic. As many others.
Because the "Defiant Class" did not have them, the U.S.S. Defiant was a special case.
yeah but apparently no one pays attention to details like this. If you want to go cannon, no other defiant class should have a cloak besides the defiant. Sometimes gameplay is more important than cannon. Cannon should just be the guide.
So ships should be dead-on canon but not cloaking? The feds only had three cloaking ships. The Phasecloak testbed that was never used again, Rykers modified Enterprise with cloaking from another timeline and the first Defiant which was later destroyed.
So no phase cloak ever for the feds, one cloaking enterprise for just Ryker because we never saw another fed ship cloak in that timeline (including Beverlys scienceship) and the one cloaking Defiant that nobody gets because it was destroyed. Plus the new Avenger loses cloak since it never existed in canon.
Sounds like feds gimping themselves to me.
I like the current balance on cloak in STO.
R.I.P
Hey, I've basically said exactly that like 2 or 3 times in that 'Aceton Assimilators are OP' thread. Got 'conveniently' ignored.
Talk about selective memory eh? PvP is all well and good when it serves a purpose as a means of wanting something; but the moment a nerf is even talked about or considered, out comes the pitchforks and torches.
Which is why the cloak as a console is a fair compromise.
Well to use that logic there is only 1 scimitar and no others right ?
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
That was a conspiracy consisting of Klingon AND Romulan AND Federation traitors, FYI.
I agree with OP, battle cloak and regular cloak should be one and the same. Its how it always was in the shows, that's how it was in the movies, and that's how it was in the novels.
Romulan cloaks are separate from their lower power levels that are compensated for by their singularity powers.
FWIW: The Fed phased cloak testbed ship was called Pegasus. Think it was an Excelsior class.
yep yep
PvE isnt impressed with cloaked ships.............
Canon isnt considered by cryptic unless it supports something they want to do
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Then why did Cryptic give the feds the best ability to detect cloaked ships in pvp?
R.I.P
integrated Cloaking Devices were 1st touted has a feature exclusive to the KDF faction by Cryptic if I'm recalling correctly.
Also if I remember correctly the 1st Defiant that was released by Cryptic had an Integrated Cloaking Device that was latter changed out to a console format so that the special effects of consoles could be monetized latter down the road.
At this stage in the game I doubt that Cryptic would revert back to integrated Cloaking Device on the Defiant.
On a purely selfish note:
I'd like to see a universal cloaking console made available to the KDF faction that could be used on any ship in service to the KDF that does not have integrated Cloaking and did not come out of a Lockbox or the Lobi store.
What did cryptic .....GIVE....... to the Feds ?
Nothing was installed on my Fed ships to detect anything
Battlecloaks are ...Free.... on the ship that has them ...part of the ship
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
After handicaping the Defiant and AGT classes in some fashion to keep them balanced to the other factions. As a Battle Cruiser the Avenger would be unhandicapped.
So maybe lower the turn of the Defiant and lower the shield modifier of the AGT. That would be fair.
R.I.P