Or just have the Cloaking Device and every other active ability console become a DEVICE and we can finally put this TRIBBLE subject to rest. :rolleyes:
That was a conspiracy consisting of Klingon AND Romulan AND Federation traitors, FYI.
I agree with OP, battle cloak and regular cloak should be one and the same. Its how it always was in the shows, that's how it was in the movies, and that's how it was in the novels.
Romulan cloaks are separate from their lower power levels that are compensated for by their singularity powers.
FWIW: The Fed phased cloak testbed ship was called Pegasus. Think it was an Excelsior class.
Oberth class actually.
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the nebula...and yes...it was given out for free last summer...
thats the one with the blue beams between all Fed ships that you see around space dock i sopose ?
takes up a console slot doesnt it ?
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thats the one with the blue beams between all Fed ships that you see around space dock i sopose ?
takes up a console slot doesnt it ?
/facepalm
It has the same stats as a blue mk XII or purple mk XI sensor probe console, but it also gives a clicky that helps see cloaked ships for 30 seconds. The lesser one is the same but only works on 1 ship.
As a decision perhaps but a Romulan can cloak anytime outside of CD timers. Aslo having a Tulwar or other Rom Dreadnought with the Tulwar console keeps shields up so...
I have a Scimitar and this is only console I kept out of the three, great for escaping death.
I cloak with my klingons every time i want. Even under fire most of the times. Thats not the problem lol.
Don't confuse game play mechanics, with Canon, becasue they don't mix very well....becasue then I would demand Cryptic to have my Galaxy X rip through KDF ships like tissue paper, my Scimitar wiping out anything in it's way without thinking.
Every video game based on trek has always put canon on the side for game play.
And i don't see how having a cloak makes it less Trek, when Cloak is not a Trek only thing.
awesome.. then you showed that you cant truly comment on anything anyone says.. if you stopped reading..
I had gone on to note that I understood game mechanics and what not. and then gave my own ideas as to how to make it work, while still supporting canon and game mechanics..
bravo sir.. you have made my point loud and clear.. /claps...
this is why a long time ago I stopped listening to anything you had to say, as most of the time you are just trolling. people are trying to have an adult convo, and you come in and try to derail it.. almost everytime..
and, I never comment on anything anyone says, unless I have read, and feel I understand everything they had to say..
Then why did Cryptic give the feds the best ability to detect cloaked ships in pvp?
BoPs are OP! Nerf flanking!
Unless the Defiant gets flanking (because BoP = Defiant). Then the Defiant needs an extra buff because BoPs are OP!
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And cloak consoles sell ships. Otherwise, the Fleet version is far superior. I wouldnt mind seeing a set bonus with the quad phasers for my own Defiant, but the console makes great sense for PWE.
No sorry. Only the Defiant should have cloak. And Starfleet NEVER will have cloaks.
This is a game for people who likes star trek, obviously, people who ask for a starfleet universal cloak must be only players that like the game, not star trek.
BUT, i agree. The Defiant cloak should be integrated, that is another fail from cryptic. As many others.
I agree this should follow Star Trek lore, dictated here by the Treaty of Algeron. The Defiants only allowed use was actually in the Gamma Quadrant per the Romulan government.
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If Klingons and/or Feds were to receive BC's, than they should suffer something for this.
I can live with them getting the ability to cloak under fire, but they should not be granted any form of attack bonuses on the KDF due to the addition of flanking, and for the FED it should remain a console useable only on specific ships but allowed an attack bonus.
This would be pretty well balanced as the KDF are able to gain flanking bonuses but would gain no attack bonus using a BC, FEDS get an attack bonus but suffer a console slot lost, and the RR would still come out with a bit more superior overall due to what they already have.
I agree this should follow Star Trek lore, dictated here by the Treaty of Algeron. The Defiants only allowed use was actually in the Gamma Quadrant per the Romulan government.
The problem with this arguement, as was stated in the other post that I made like 2 weeks ago on this topic, is that the treaty was between the Federation, The Romulan Star Empire, and The Klingon Empire. The Federation is at war with the Klingon Empire now, and the Romulan Star Empire is too fractured, and busy to worry about what the Federation does. That is the only point I was trying to make then, and that's all I am going to say about it now. There are 3 Fed ships that can use Cloaking technology, the Defiant(which everyone seems to think should be able to cloak, even in the heat of combat) the Gal-x(which everyone seems to hate, even after the revamp, should still be able to cloak in the heat of battle) and the Avenger(which was designed for war, and is already a step away from the traditional starfleet of the 23rd century. The point is, this is the future, the Federation through necessity has become more warlike, and the treaty is void.
I agree this should follow Star Trek lore, dictated here by the Treaty of Algeron. The Defiants only allowed use was actually in the Gamma Quadrant per the Romulan government.
Well if you want to follow lore then no Defiant should have a cloaking device at all, the only one ever to carry a cloaking device was the original NX 74205 which got blasted into tiny pieces by the Breen. Its replacement never was shown to have a cloaking device.
The problem with this arguement, as was stated in the other post that I made like 2 weeks ago on this topic, is that the treaty was between the Federation, The Romulan Star Empire, and The Klingon Empire. The Federation is at war with the Klingon Empire now, and the Romulan Star Empire is too fractured, and busy to worry about what the Federation does. That is the only point I was trying to make then, and that's all I am going to say about it now. There are 3 Fed ships that can use Cloaking technology, the Defiant(which everyone seems to think should be able to cloak, even in the heat of combat) the Gal-x(which everyone seems to hate, even after the revamp, should still be able to cloak in the heat of battle) and the Avenger(which was designed for war, and is already a step away from the traditional starfleet of the 23rd century. The point is, this is the future, the Federation through necessity has become more warlike, and the treaty is void.
The treaty is not void according the the current president of the UFP. It was renewed infact after an unfortunate egg on face incident.
If Klingons and/or Feds were to receive BC's, than they should suffer something for this.
I can live with them getting the ability to cloak under fire, but they should not be granted any form of attack bonuses on the KDF due to the addition of flanking, and for the FED it should remain a console useable only on specific ships but allowed an attack bonus.
This would be pretty well balanced as the KDF are able to gain flanking bonuses but would gain no attack bonus using a BC, FEDS get an attack bonus but suffer a console slot lost, and the RR would still come out with a bit more superior overall due to what they already have.
Only raiders get flanking and only raiders have battle cloak.
The 1000day vet ship has a BC but no flanking.
Only raiders get flanking and only raiders have battle cloak.
The 1000day vet ship has a BC but no flanking.
Case in point because we can't have raiders running around with BC bonus damage, and flanking capability if we allowed all cloaking ships to cloak while under fire, it would provide a tad to much advantage and make these the only desirable KDF ship for the most part.
The idea is to allow all ships that can cloak to not have to leave battle, but not gain too much of an advantage over one another all while keeping the Romulans as is.
Never seen Sisko at "Engage cloak!" being replied "We can't sir, we're in battle".
I think the only reason we don't see the defiant cloaking during battle, is because from a strategic stand point it would lower your main defense meaning your shields.
I think the only reason we don't see the defiant cloaking during battle, is because from a strategic stand point it would lower your main defense meaning your shields.
Didn't Defiant have an ablative hull armor?
Still, it's not 100% sure you get murdered by lowering shields for some seconds before disappearing. It's a tactical risk you need to evaluate.
Of course if you're being stomped by enemy fire you don't cloak and therefore die.
... Unless it's Scimitar with shield while cloaked console...
I agree that there does need to be a balance between canon and the game. However, I am talking about balance. If you carry it to the extreme, then you will say that none of the Defiant class ships should get a cloak because the "Defiant" itself was the only one of that class that had it. Also, you would say that only Riker's Gal Dread should be the only one with the cloak.
If you carry it to that extreme, then you would also need to say that if you get killed, you can no longer play the game. Or, if your ship gets damaged, you will need to put in for dry dock till it is repaired, and that will take months before you can play.
There needs to be a balance between canon, and the game mechanics.
My decisions about the cloak are based on non-PVP gameplay. PVP is a touchy subject, because there are some that love it, and ones that hate it. Personally, I have had bad experiences with it, so I personally just stick with PVP with friends.
About the cloak, I do feel that it is something that should be integrated into the ships that should have it. Needing a console is a little pointless in my personal opinion. If someone doesn't want the cloak on their ship, then they can just not use it.
Also, having it integrated into the ship, and not taking up a console slot should not make the difference between the ship being OP or not. If you have a good build, then you should be able to remove one or two consoles from your ship, and still be able to do any end-game content without dying. The only time that a console or two may make a difference is when you are in PVP. However, a single console slot will not make a ship OP even then. It will only add a little more DPS, or survivability.
I do feel that all of the cloaks in the game should have the ability to cloak when in combat. That was something that was done in the show by multiple ships, and they never said that they couldn't cloak because the cloak just won't engage while the ship is in combat. It was a problem of the shields dropping when the cloak is engaged, which is because of the power drain it uses. This is a problem with all of the factions, not just one or two.
If the captain choose to have the cloak activated in combat, it was his choice to do so, knowing the dangers involved. I believe that this aspect of the shows, and movies should be in the game.
Now, as to whether or not to rename all of them Battle Cloaks? I say no on this. The regular cloaks should keep their names, but not add any more bonus to coming out of cloak than they do now. The Battle Cloak should keep it's name, because it symbolizes a special feature of that cloak. It means that when the user comes out of cloak, they can do something that others cannot when they do.
The ones asking that power levels be reduces in the other factions like it is in the Romulans when the other factions cloak while in combat, that doesn't really make sense to me. The reason is because the Romulans were able to perfect their cloaks. One of the things that help to keep them undetected is their lower power levels. Also, the Romulans have the extra damage coming out of cloak that the others don't (except for the raiders when they get the flanking bonus).
Also, the Romulans have the singularity abilities, that I would love to have on my Feds and Klink. I have two Romulans, and I love the use of my singularity abilities. I can jump to another area to escape a GW that the enemy uses, I can get an extra health and shield heal till my regular heals come off cool down, and when I want to, I can have all of my beams to fire with the same effect as Beam Overload 1 without even using ant weapons power. And the higher I let the singularity charge, the more effective they are.
The Romulans are not at a disadvantage with their lower power levels at the beginning of a fight. It is just a matter of knowing how to use the singularity abilities to your advantage. That gives you the advantage that other factions don't have. I would give up the power a warp core gives me for the ability of a singularity core on my Fed and Klink any day.
Therefore, making all cloaks where they can be used in combat can be a good thing, without making any one ship that doesn't already have that ability OP.
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Case in point because we can't have raiders running around with BC bonus damage, and flanking capability if we allowed all cloaking ships to cloak while under fire, it would provide a tad to much advantage and make these the only desirable KDF ship for the most part.
The idea is to allow all ships that can cloak to not have to leave battle, but not gain too much of an advantage over one another all while keeping the Romulans as is.
No , the bops are already fragile in combat and the flanking bonus for pvp is way small. Only equal to about 8% I believe.
Battle Cloak and flanking have not made BoPs OP.
Cloaking is fine as it is ingame.
No , the bops are already fragile in combat and the flanking bonus for pvp is way small. Only equal to about 8% I believe.
Battle Cloak and flanking have not made BoPs OP.
Cloaking is fine as it is ingame.
What I am talking about is, if you added the 25% damage bonus Romulan ships receive to a raider, and the change to flanking would make them far more desirable, over just giving all KDF that have cloaking the ability to cloak while under fire.
There is a need for balance if they were to obtain this ability, besides ships with the advanced cloak can already fire and re-cloak quickly so they are losing nothing.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
The problem with this arguement, as was stated in the other post that I made like 2 weeks ago on this topic, is that the treaty was between the Federation, The Romulan Star Empire, and The Klingon Empire. The Federation is at war with the Klingon Empire now, and the Romulan Star Empire is too fractured, and busy to worry about what the Federation does. That is the only point I was trying to make then, and that's all I am going to say about it now. There are 3 Fed ships that can use Cloaking technology, the Defiant(which everyone seems to think should be able to cloak, even in the heat of combat) the Gal-x(which everyone seems to hate, even after the revamp, should still be able to cloak in the heat of battle) and the Avenger(which was designed for war, and is already a step away from the traditional starfleet of the 23rd century. The point is, this is the future, the Federation through necessity has become more warlike, and the treaty is void.
Treaty aside there have been many episodes in Star Trek that spoke out against cloaking devices, Picard in particular. I like the idea of sticking with those thoughts just my opinion.
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Well if you want to follow lore then no Defiant should have a cloaking device at all, the only one ever to carry a cloaking device was the original NX 74205 which got blasted into tiny pieces by the Breen. Its replacement never was shown to have a cloaking device.
True I feel no Fed ship should have a cloak as far as lore is concerned, being that this is game I suppose there is some room for wiggle room.
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What I am talking about is, if you added the 25% damage bonus Romulan ships receive to a raider, and the change to flanking would make them far more desirable, over just giving all KDF that have cloaking the ability to cloak while under fire.
There is a need for balance if they were to obtain this ability, besides ships with the advanced cloak can already fire and re-cloak quickly so they are losing nothing.
The current decloak for KDF is 15%. Add the pvp flanking bonus of 8% and its still balanced for Bops imo.
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the nebula...and yes...it was given out for free last summer...
With that great TDF console plus a rumored buffing in the works.
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Oberth class actually.
thats the one with the blue beams between all Fed ships that you see around space dock i sopose ?
takes up a console slot doesnt it ?
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Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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/facepalm
It has the same stats as a blue mk XII or purple mk XI sensor probe console, but it also gives a clicky that helps see cloaked ships for 30 seconds. The lesser one is the same but only works on 1 ship.
I cloak with my klingons every time i want. Even under fire most of the times. Thats not the problem lol.
awesome.. then you showed that you cant truly comment on anything anyone says.. if you stopped reading..
I had gone on to note that I understood game mechanics and what not. and then gave my own ideas as to how to make it work, while still supporting canon and game mechanics..
bravo sir.. you have made my point loud and clear.. /claps...
this is why a long time ago I stopped listening to anything you had to say, as most of the time you are just trolling. people are trying to have an adult convo, and you come in and try to derail it.. almost everytime..
and, I never comment on anything anyone says, unless I have read, and feel I understand everything they had to say..
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BoPs are OP! Nerf flanking!
Unless the Defiant gets flanking (because BoP = Defiant). Then the Defiant needs an extra buff because BoPs are OP!
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And cloak consoles sell ships. Otherwise, the Fleet version is far superior. I wouldnt mind seeing a set bonus with the quad phasers for my own Defiant, but the console makes great sense for PWE.
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I agree this should follow Star Trek lore, dictated here by the Treaty of Algeron. The Defiants only allowed use was actually in the Gamma Quadrant per the Romulan government.
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I can live with them getting the ability to cloak under fire, but they should not be granted any form of attack bonuses on the KDF due to the addition of flanking, and for the FED it should remain a console useable only on specific ships but allowed an attack bonus.
This would be pretty well balanced as the KDF are able to gain flanking bonuses but would gain no attack bonus using a BC, FEDS get an attack bonus but suffer a console slot lost, and the RR would still come out with a bit more superior overall due to what they already have.
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The problem with this arguement, as was stated in the other post that I made like 2 weeks ago on this topic, is that the treaty was between the Federation, The Romulan Star Empire, and The Klingon Empire. The Federation is at war with the Klingon Empire now, and the Romulan Star Empire is too fractured, and busy to worry about what the Federation does. That is the only point I was trying to make then, and that's all I am going to say about it now. There are 3 Fed ships that can use Cloaking technology, the Defiant(which everyone seems to think should be able to cloak, even in the heat of combat) the Gal-x(which everyone seems to hate, even after the revamp, should still be able to cloak in the heat of battle) and the Avenger(which was designed for war, and is already a step away from the traditional starfleet of the 23rd century. The point is, this is the future, the Federation through necessity has become more warlike, and the treaty is void.
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Well if you want to follow lore then no Defiant should have a cloaking device at all, the only one ever to carry a cloaking device was the original NX 74205 which got blasted into tiny pieces by the Breen. Its replacement never was shown to have a cloaking device.
BoPs & Vetship can (outside of CD) due to battle cloak. Bops are the only KDF vessel to do this because it is the main feature of a battle cloak.
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The treaty is not void according the the current president of the UFP. It was renewed infact after an unfortunate egg on face incident.
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Only raiders get flanking and only raiders have battle cloak.
The 1000day vet ship has a BC but no flanking.
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While it's been a while since I've seen the episode, there is no WAY it was an Oberth. Not that close to the Romulan neutral zone.
Case in point because we can't have raiders running around with BC bonus damage, and flanking capability if we allowed all cloaking ships to cloak while under fire, it would provide a tad to much advantage and make these the only desirable KDF ship for the most part.
The idea is to allow all ships that can cloak to not have to leave battle, but not gain too much of an advantage over one another all while keeping the Romulans as is.
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Never seen Sisko at "Engage cloak!" being replied "We can't sir, we're in battle".
I think the only reason we don't see the defiant cloaking during battle, is because from a strategic stand point it would lower your main defense meaning your shields.
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Didn't Defiant have an ablative hull armor?
Still, it's not 100% sure you get murdered by lowering shields for some seconds before disappearing. It's a tactical risk you need to evaluate.
Of course if you're being stomped by enemy fire you don't cloak and therefore die.
... Unless it's Scimitar with shield while cloaked console...
Hull armor or no hull armor it got destroyed, so cloaking wouldn't have helped the situation much.
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If you carry it to that extreme, then you would also need to say that if you get killed, you can no longer play the game. Or, if your ship gets damaged, you will need to put in for dry dock till it is repaired, and that will take months before you can play.
There needs to be a balance between canon, and the game mechanics.
My decisions about the cloak are based on non-PVP gameplay. PVP is a touchy subject, because there are some that love it, and ones that hate it. Personally, I have had bad experiences with it, so I personally just stick with PVP with friends.
About the cloak, I do feel that it is something that should be integrated into the ships that should have it. Needing a console is a little pointless in my personal opinion. If someone doesn't want the cloak on their ship, then they can just not use it.
Also, having it integrated into the ship, and not taking up a console slot should not make the difference between the ship being OP or not. If you have a good build, then you should be able to remove one or two consoles from your ship, and still be able to do any end-game content without dying. The only time that a console or two may make a difference is when you are in PVP. However, a single console slot will not make a ship OP even then. It will only add a little more DPS, or survivability.
I do feel that all of the cloaks in the game should have the ability to cloak when in combat. That was something that was done in the show by multiple ships, and they never said that they couldn't cloak because the cloak just won't engage while the ship is in combat. It was a problem of the shields dropping when the cloak is engaged, which is because of the power drain it uses. This is a problem with all of the factions, not just one or two.
If the captain choose to have the cloak activated in combat, it was his choice to do so, knowing the dangers involved. I believe that this aspect of the shows, and movies should be in the game.
Now, as to whether or not to rename all of them Battle Cloaks? I say no on this. The regular cloaks should keep their names, but not add any more bonus to coming out of cloak than they do now. The Battle Cloak should keep it's name, because it symbolizes a special feature of that cloak. It means that when the user comes out of cloak, they can do something that others cannot when they do.
The ones asking that power levels be reduces in the other factions like it is in the Romulans when the other factions cloak while in combat, that doesn't really make sense to me. The reason is because the Romulans were able to perfect their cloaks. One of the things that help to keep them undetected is their lower power levels. Also, the Romulans have the extra damage coming out of cloak that the others don't (except for the raiders when they get the flanking bonus).
Also, the Romulans have the singularity abilities, that I would love to have on my Feds and Klink. I have two Romulans, and I love the use of my singularity abilities. I can jump to another area to escape a GW that the enemy uses, I can get an extra health and shield heal till my regular heals come off cool down, and when I want to, I can have all of my beams to fire with the same effect as Beam Overload 1 without even using ant weapons power. And the higher I let the singularity charge, the more effective they are.
The Romulans are not at a disadvantage with their lower power levels at the beginning of a fight. It is just a matter of knowing how to use the singularity abilities to your advantage. That gives you the advantage that other factions don't have. I would give up the power a warp core gives me for the ability of a singularity core on my Fed and Klink any day.
Therefore, making all cloaks where they can be used in combat can be a good thing, without making any one ship that doesn't already have that ability OP.
Tim.
No , the bops are already fragile in combat and the flanking bonus for pvp is way small. Only equal to about 8% I believe.
Battle Cloak and flanking have not made BoPs OP.
Cloaking is fine as it is ingame.
R.I.P
What I am talking about is, if you added the 25% damage bonus Romulan ships receive to a raider, and the change to flanking would make them far more desirable, over just giving all KDF that have cloaking the ability to cloak while under fire.
There is a need for balance if they were to obtain this ability, besides ships with the advanced cloak can already fire and re-cloak quickly so they are losing nothing.
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Are you sure about that? Memory Alpha disagrees.
Treaty aside there have been many episodes in Star Trek that spoke out against cloaking devices, Picard in particular. I like the idea of sticking with those thoughts just my opinion.
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True I feel no Fed ship should have a cloak as far as lore is concerned, being that this is game I suppose there is some room for wiggle room.
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The current decloak for KDF is 15%. Add the pvp flanking bonus of 8% and its still balanced for Bops imo.
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