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Bye bye cloak, hello battle cloak.
Let's forgo the semantics: It makes no sense whatever not to be able to engage a cloak while under fire. The artificial construct of not being able to cloak while under fire is bollocks.
Hence i propose this very simply solution: lose the "regular"cloaks and turn them into what is currently called battle cloaks.
It will get rid of an artificial construct that makes zero sense and before the KDF starts whining, just remember which faction has the largest number of regular cloaks and thus benefits the most.
Let's forgo the semantics: It makes no sense whatever not to be able to engage a cloak while under fire. The artificial construct of not being able to cloak while under fire is bollocks.
Hence i propose this very simply solution: lose the "regular"cloaks and turn them into what is currently called battle cloaks.
It will get rid of an artificial construct that makes zero sense and before the KDF starts whining, just remember which faction has the largest number of regular cloaks and thus benefits the most.
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In-verse there was never a logical reason for that.
Game balance wise the difference became obsolete with the release of lor.
Not sure why KDF would whine about this, except for maybe BoP pilots. Seems like Feddies would be crying the most tears over this one, especially the few who PvP.
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While we're on the subject, I would also like to see cloaking in this game be turned into an ability that is 100% skill-based, Basically use MES as the cloak command, with the effectiveness being determined by MES ability level, player skill-tree points in stealth, BOFF species traits, ship hull inherent stealthiness, and cloak consoles. At the low end, unskilled captain and crew in a non-cloaking ship should not have anything more than basic MES1 can provide, but at the high-end a Romulan captain with lots of cloaking skill points, MES3, full Infiltrator crew and a warbird should have a nearly perfect cloak. This becomes feasible when the artificial distinciton between cloak and battlecloak is removed.
If there is to be a distinction between cloak and battle cloak, cloak could really just grant invisbility, but offer no (or a lesser) damage buff.
I wouldn't call it battle cloak though, just cloak. Get rid of the whole "battle" designation. A cloak is a cloak and should be able to be used anytime.
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Or, even better.... it could give some damage resistance or defense bonus while activating cloak to make it easier to use on the ship that are supposed to depend more on it.
I read the first page of yours, and everyone is on board LOL. Oh well, I'm for it too, it makes no sense, and my original point was that the Federation ships that can cloak(very few) should have battle cloak.
There should be 1 ship that has battle cloak(unless the powers that be have decided other ships have been designed using the technology) and that is the Bird of Prey from STVI that could fire torpedos while cloaked.
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Just wait a little, those will come here too, eventually.
1. It would make things more fair between Klingon and Romulan ships. All Romulan ships can cloak whenever they want. Yet Rom ships have in many cases superior layouts, OP BOFF traits and quite a few ships with 5 tac consoles that sacrifice nothing for that. This would certainly help to make Raptors in particular more useful.
2. Its canon. Remember VOY: Prophecy? A Klingon D7 (which FYI is an older battlecruiser that can't battlecloak in STO) is making attack runs on the Voyager and constantly goes in and out of cloak after firing. This is just one example on top of my head and I'm sure there are more.
It still wouldn't bring the Klingons to the rediulous powerlevel of Romulan ships, but It would certainly make them more playable.
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You want the Scimitar to permanently fire under cloak? A bit ridiculous...
( a true son of Kahless will face his foes without such cowardly deception! )
I'd be all for it, mainly because i don't see a just reason why romulan ships should get it and the KDF don't
That is your reason. If all KDF ships can use Battle Cloak, then it is perfectly fine, but if Federation ships can use Battle Cloak, then people have a problem with it. The OP implied Federation ships should have Battle Cloak, but they never directly stated the Federation ships should have Battle Cloak.
Considering that it states in the Path to 2409 accolades that the Federation renewed their commitment to not develop cloaking technology, then there is no reason for the Federation to have any type of Cloak. Each faction should have some unique features and cloaking should be limited to the Romulans and KDF.
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Erm, it is has a lot of sense. When a ship cloaks, it is vulnerable to any damage. In the "real" world, a ship cant just cloak the way you see in the game. Because those little seconds, if the ship get hit by a torpedo, the ship will be destroyed.
Now, as you noticed, that doesnt happen in the game. Because for obvious reasons.
So, yes it makes a lot of sense to not be able to cloak when you are getting hit, not unless you are in a reasonable distance from your target or you not getting hit.
Now, this makes sense in the tv, now, in STO, i honestly dont know. Klingon cloaks are not as powerful as romulans, so its logical to assume that only romulans can cloak while being targeted. But thats not true in STO anyways xD.
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In the real world ships aren't battling for sector/quadrant control. JK
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Erm... romulan cloak cant be activated a lot of times under fire, same as klingons. But i guess it is just a glitch of the game, since sometimes you can, other you cant.
And romulan cloak can be deactivated even if you are not firing weapons.. just doint a scan or watever... lol..
As a decision perhaps but a Romulan can cloak anytime outside of CD timers. Aslo having a Tulwar or other Rom Dreadnought with the Tulwar console keeps shields up so...
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Will any and all handicaps that having BC applies now be applied to all ships that will be converted from regular cloak to BC? Or will current BC using vessels be unhandicapped and buffed?
Frankly put some vessels gain a buff from this change and others will still be handicapped for it.
I like the status quo on cloaking for the factions.
The Roms get integrated and BC for being the best at cloaking, the KDF gets BC bops and integrated at a small cost for being the next best cloakers ingame, and the feds get cloak at the cost of a console slot but have the best cloak detection technology as a bonus.
That is balanced to me.
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I have the impression you never used battle cloak.
Otherwise you would know that EXACTLY that happens in the game. Those "little" topedos are every raider captains nemesis because no matter how you try with evasives and brace for impact, that lost torpedo can instant kill you and often will, especially if it crits. That is absolutely covered with the current battle cloak.
And funny enough, if often enough kills you when you are way out of range of the target.
I'm with you on this one.
@OP - what you say makes sense in universe, but the design decision to separate cloaks in game was not made due to semantics, but because of game mechanics. I'm not justifying either, just saying.
Although I'm starting to become very amused by threads where when it simply comes to gaining something more all the people discuss stuff primarily relevant to PvP as if they were PvP-ing on daily basis, but whenever there's a nerf or a balance pass those same people groan how PvP should be deleted, how everyhting bad that happens in STO is PvP's fault, how noone cares about PvP, etc.
you can do the same thing with skill points
if a fed maxes out all the skill and gets a full crew with traits and a ship with integrated stealth bonus and adds in a cloak console and also makes room for MES3 in the ability set, then i dont see why they shouldnt be able to get the same benefit
given that none of the ships available to fed have inherent stealth, not actually possible at the moment
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Actually Romulan Battle Cloaks have little to nothing to do with the reduced power from Singularity Cores. The power limitation is made up for by singularity powers like singularity overcharge, warp shadow and singularity jump.
As for the OP, I'm in two minds as to whether everyone should suddenly have battle cloaks. Having toons on all 3 sides I do sometimes miss being able to cloak mid battle and (if I timed it right) get away from a fight alive.
On the other hand I also miss the tough hulls and strong heals that Feds have when I'm not playing Fed side. Likewise there would be things I miss from the Klingon side if I played that side often enough.
So how do we do this? Do we just take all the strengths of all the factions and give them to all factions so we all end up exactly the same? That's what threads like these come down to essentially. Feds wants what Romulans and Klingons have, Klingons want what Feds and Romulans have and Romulans want what Feds and Klingons have.
So do we throw it all together into some murky grey pool of sludge where it doesn't matter what faction you join because everyone is identical? Or do players wake up and realize that all they have to do to get what Faction X have is to create a Faction X toon?
I love my Fed Tac for what he is and while I would love to hit and run like a Romulan I came to realize that no matter how hard I try I cannot turn a human Fed into a Romulan. So I created a Romulan Tac for the times I'm in the mood for some cloak and run antics. Maybe you should too?