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Defiant Specification Review
doublea2014
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NAME, REGISTRY U.S.S. Defiant, NX-74205
STARSHIP CLASS Defiant-Class Escort (experimental prototype)
YEAR COMMISSIONED 2371
LENGTH 120 M
WIDTH 100 M
HEIGHT 25 M
WEIGHT 355,000 MT
DECKS 4
CREW COMPLEMENT 50 Crewmen (15 skeletal crew)
PRIMARY PROPULSION Matter/Antimatter Reactor Type-VII (warp quadcore)
SECONDARY PROPULSION 2 Deuterium Fusion Drive motors (impulse engines)
SUSTAINABLE WARP 7 (Cruise Velocity); 9.8 (12 hours); 9.982 (Max)
ARMAMENT Ablative Hull Armor; Twin-Pulse Phaser Cannons; 8 Torpedo Launchers: Mark-VIII and Mark-IX Photon Torpedoes and Mark-X Quantum Torpedoes
COMPUTER CORE 1 Main Computer Core. Isolinear optical circuits.
AUXILIARY CRAFT 2 Danube-Class Runabouts
CLOAKING DEVICE Romulan D’Deridex-class Warbird cloak
some of the old stuff just iignore but the cloaking device and the 2 danubes would be awesome
these are the acctuall specs for the defiant I would like these upgrades ASAP please
STARSHIP CLASS Defiant-Class Escort (experimental prototype)
YEAR COMMISSIONED 2371
LENGTH 120 M
WIDTH 100 M
HEIGHT 25 M
WEIGHT 355,000 MT
DECKS 4
CREW COMPLEMENT 50 Crewmen (15 skeletal crew)
PRIMARY PROPULSION Matter/Antimatter Reactor Type-VII (warp quadcore)
SECONDARY PROPULSION 2 Deuterium Fusion Drive motors (impulse engines)
SUSTAINABLE WARP 7 (Cruise Velocity); 9.8 (12 hours); 9.982 (Max)
ARMAMENT Ablative Hull Armor; Twin-Pulse Phaser Cannons; 8 Torpedo Launchers: Mark-VIII and Mark-IX Photon Torpedoes and Mark-X Quantum Torpedoes
COMPUTER CORE 1 Main Computer Core. Isolinear optical circuits.
AUXILIARY CRAFT 2 Danube-Class Runabouts
CLOAKING DEVICE Romulan D’Deridex-class Warbird cloak
some of the old stuff just iignore but the cloaking device and the 2 danubes would be awesome
these are the acctuall specs for the defiant I would like these upgrades ASAP please
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Runabouts won't happen though. Not unless they start giving every ship in the game hangar pets. OMG, nooooo....
size and stuff, we already have (mostly). and FYI, the length of the defiant is still rather debatable. major kira stated it was 180, whereas a behind the scenes on the defiant, as well as math related to the model, states 120 (or i may have these two numbers backwards, i forget now.) it all depends what makes a source canon to you. in the show, or behind the scenes?
the warp core and all that is a bit old news, seeing as how we have MK12 now, which is alot better then MK7, though if you really want a MK7 warp core on your defiant, go right ahead.
no way in hell is the defiant getting a shuttle. no. way. in. hell. EVER.
the only thing i can think of as an upgrade is the cloak. yeah, the first defiant had a cloak. woopie. the C-store variant has a cloak not because the romulans keep loaning ones to the federation, but because select federation ships are designed to equip them (ie. galaxy X, avenger, defiant.) and therefore, the federation designed a basic cloak for use on these ships. this cloak cannot compete with the experience and skill the romulans have with cloak, and since the original defiant was destroyed, starfleet no longer has a cloak to study. since they were allies with the romulans when the first defiant was around, i doubt starfleet tried to really study it do to their agreements with the romulans over not only that cloak, but also federation cloaking at all.
therefore, no battlecloak for feddies. sorry, no upgrade.
I'm sure you'll get that right after the Scimitar gets its actual specs, but definitely not before.
And I still run them cause they look awesome!
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
some of those details are incorrect, the defiant couldnt store 2 danubes even if it wanted to, its got enough for a small 2 man shuttlecraft and thats it. the defiant doesnt have photon launchers and the cloaking device like the ablative generator are additionals that were clearly after the design as a number of times in ds9 there were references to the defiant having technology others didnt know about or just suspected. the cloak is also an enhanced version at the least, its shown one time that right after the defiant threw a few volleys of phaser fire out it cloaked moments after, the cloak on sto couldnt do that until red alert ended. i also seem to remember the defiant has enough capacity to take 80 crewmen however tech books put that at 40 crewmen. so whatever the case pointing from details like that is about as accurate at the star trek galaxy maps, which are not that accurate either.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
"sarcasm":D
Sounds more like a wish list than anything real.
The Federation has had the ability to develop cloaking technology for decades (see the TNG episode Pegasus) and has ample to time observe Klingon and Romulan cloaking devices. Also keep in mind that Section 31 likely has been using some form of cloak all along.
The Romulan Empire is splintered with half of the Empire siding with the Federation, so the treaty is meaningless at this point. With the never ending amount of enemies lining up against Star Fleet, they would be fools if they missed out on equipping ships with this type of technology.
Maybe instead of using a Klingon or Rommie cloak the phase cloak could be put in place or develop a whole new type of cloak. Might be a decent compromise, maybe not.
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posted link below for all the proper specs for the defiant for the guy above saying I just have a wish list, well yes I do have a wish list, wish list for the proper accord and specs, lol oh and apperntly he hasn't been looking @ enough specs
In other words: random fanfiction stats from some random dude on the internet.
I bet I can find random fanfiction stats from some other random dude somewhere else that say something different.
This is your source? You should be ashamed of yourself.
they escaped in a small shuttle craft that the defiant had docked, that same type of shuttle was seen a few times here as well.
you may think the defiant has the room for danubes, i do not.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Defiant_class
1: Your info is just pain wrong...
2: Game, and game balance (or at least as close to).
3: The shuttles used on the Defiant were Chaffee type, not any of the Danube Class Runabouts as these are equal in size of the Defiant Bridge.
Also, as mirrorchaos has said: Even if the Defiant wanted to, it couldn launch the Danubes... there are no openings large enough for it.
Edit: I've decided to pick your comment apart... You are of cause locked in your false opinions, but stil...
Tried that... Got no results.
Memory alpha is THE most correct source out there, and it says you are wrong.
No... You found a Fan-fic page that ignores canon to suit the writers opinions.
No, he took off in a Shuttle pod... The observant viewer immediatly noticed that it would have been to small for a runabout of any kind.
Correction: WE are not allied with them... We are aligned in co-orporation... Even so... Allies don't share their largest tactical advantages.
Again... you posted false info from a random fan-fic page.
The Defiant is listed as having four fore and two aft torpedo launchers which are capable of launching both photon and quantum torpedoes as is usually the case with federation ships. That said it doesn't have battle cloak in STO because of game mechanics and balancing.
tech specs put the chaffee shuttle at almost 8 meters in length, the tech specs also put the danube class at 23 meters in length. now put the defiant next a miranda and it's almost the length of the miranda saucer, the miranda tech specs put that ship at 277m in length however if you reduce it in half you get around 110 meters - 120 meters for the defiant in length on a guess, however the defiant is shown to be compact and most of it is corridors, storage space some crew quarters on deck 3 and 4, hull plating, internal super structure, enough room for the warp core,sensors, other engine bits, power systems, computer core, communications systems, shields, ablative generator, cloaking system and the front deflector along with the engine nacelles and bridge, medical bay and various jefferies tubes, you wouldnt have the room for 2 danubes, if you also pay attention to the middle part of the defiant where the ships would be docked there is not much height in that area, granted the chaffee and danubes are roughly the same height at 5.9 meters, however it would simply be easier to have smaller shuttlecrafts. now besides that, the port where the shuttle flies out from doesnt look anything more then 12 meters - 15 meters in length, just enough to get the chaffee and other shuttle craft out and back on the ship, but not a lot more.
but the short answer is yes.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
it maybe listed as being able to launch photons but the defiant itself was never shown to be firing anything other then quants, from the front and perhaps 1 launcher on the back of the ship. that bit of reference of photons even from mem alpha if its there is not accurate as the defiant class was not shown to be firing anything other then forward quad phaser cannons and quants.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I already agreed with you, but as I said: Event IF there was enough room for two runabouts, there would be no way to get them inside the ship.
assuming if the height of the shuttle bay was at say 30 meters, then you could fly the danube up in through the opening and level off instead of having it slowly push on the maneuvering thrusters to get it through the opening to enter or exit the shuttlebay. but it would be a tight fit because in width with the danube as its is almost 14 meters wide. then its possible, but because the ship is so small.
fyi, i was just making the case for you on this and previous point to the OP, just to bury it.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
It has fired photons from its aft launcher at some point I think, the mirror universe Defiant also was depicted as using Photons as they didn't have quantum torps at the time. They also showed the mirror Defiant (which is technically identical sans the cloak ) using its dorsal phaser array at the back.
Plus First contact implies that the Defiant was the ship that fired the 3 photons that hit the cube at the start of the battle scene as it cuts to them straight after they hit. So it is probably safe to say that the Defiant carries both types.
Well quantum casings seem to be slightly smaller than Photon Casings... Theres no direct reason why this smaller caliber might not fit into a Photon tube.
Of cause, this dosen't explain why a Excelsior needed refitting to use quants.
Given we've seen the Defiant fire Photons from the aft launcher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBmmlHR1Bwg
it would make little sense to have two different types of ammunition one restricted to the forward and another to aft launcher(s).;)
Maybe Quantum Launchers are "backwards-compatible" while Photon Launchers aren't "forwards-comaptible"? Would make sense.
Apparently there are micro Quantum torps as well as standard torps (comes from the technical manual ) so its possible that the Defiant uses them while the larger ships like the Sovereign class and the Lakota used the larger ones that we see the Ent E use.
As for the Lakota I would guess that it may of needed more modern launchers to launch any type of newer torpedo as the Excelsior class was getting old even then. Or they just upgraded everything while it was in for refit since the work on the phasers and shields was likely very extensive to be able to stand up to the Defiant.
Actually yes... That makes perfect sense, as we do the same with most current tech... Especially when the new tech is still not in common application.
The Micros are used for Shuttles and runabouts (the Danube uses micro torps), since they can't hold the larger variant. The casings we've seen on the Defiant are always the typical man-sized casings, so it seems unlikely to me that they would be using micros.
misterde3 seems to be in agreement with you on the refitting, and so do I after having this enlightening experience ^^
your referencing from mirror universe which is the point, however in the prime universe it is not the case. and because it was not seen that the defiant launched 3 photons but instead it's quad cannons, that again is another dubious claim.
quants are more effective, the excelsior is the "backbone" of the federation fleet and upgrading the excelsior to make it more deadly would make it more effective, so it can support the fleet i would of thought.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.