your referencing from mirror universe which is the point, however in the prime universe it is not the case. and because it was not seen that the defiant launched 3 photons but instead it's quad cannons, that again is another dubious claim.
quants are more effective, the excelsior is the "backbone" of the federation fleet and upgrading the excelsior to make it more deadly would make it more effective, so it can support the fleet i would of thought.
Well as someone else posted the Defiant is shown launching an aft photon torpedo in its battle with the USS Lakota.
Also at the time the Lakota was the only excelsior refitted in such a manner as part of Leytons whole plan.
quants are more effective, the excelsior is the "backbone" of the federation fleet and upgrading the excelsior to make it more deadly would make it more effective, so it can support the fleet i would of thought.
The question was not why you would quantum torpedoes, but why it needed the upgrade if the torpedo casings seem to be the same or smaller than photon torpedoes.
But I think the explanation that the Excelsior used even older torpedo launchers that aren't forward compatible makes sense.
In general, at least since the Galaxy class, torpedo launchers are supposed to be able to handle multiple types of warheads and probes. Unfortunately we never got to see a quantum torpedo enabled Galaxy class...
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The question was not why you would quantum torpedoes, but why it needed the upgrade if the torpedo casings seem to be the same or smaller than photon torpedoes.
But I think the explanation that the Excelsior used even older torpedo launchers that aren't forward compatible makes sense.
In general, at least since the Galaxy class, torpedo launchers are supposed to be able to handle multiple types of warheads and probes. Unfortunately we never got to see a quantum torpedo enabled Galaxy class...
different classifications of launchers can only handle certain types of torpedoes perhaps, for example a galaxy class can launch photons from mark V-VII but has not compatibility for quants, it's very possible its completely different technology like switching from duonetic circuits to isolinear chips.
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was that a photon? i dunno. im not discounting it, but i couldnt tell if that was a photon or a rear facing cannon.
Oh c'mon, since when does the Defiant have rear-facing cannons?
And why does it travel so much slower than the forward ones and look like an orange version of the Quantums we've seen her fire from the front?
And why only a single "pulse" which would mean the rear cannon has about a 6th of the forward RoF?;)
I'm sure you'll get that right after the Scimitar gets its actual specs, but definitely not before.
Wait, when the Scimitar gets 52 disruptor banks, 20 photon torpedo launchers, 20+ Scorpions and a 5 minute Thalaron Weapon that kills every living thing on a ship?
Aaah, why the hell not. Lets also give the Galaxy a total of 12 Beam Arrays, the Sovereign disappearing decks (nobody knows how many the thing actually had), and the Intrepid a Torpedo Tree and Shuttle tree.
Note that this sarcasm wasn't directed to you alois, but more to the subject of giving ships the stats of the series.
Wait, when the Scimitar gets 52 disruptor banks, 20 photon torpedo launchers, 20+ Scorpions and a 5 minute Thalaron Weapon that kills every living thing on a ship?
Aaah, why the hell not. Lets also give the Galaxy a total of 12 Beam Arrays, the Sovereign disappearing decks (nobody knows how many the thing actually had), and the Intrepid a Torpedo Tree and Shuttle tree.
Note that this sarcasm wasn't directed to you alois, but more to the subject of giving ships the stats of the series.
I can already see the flows of tears from people when they try to equip a ship with 70+ fleet elite weapons.
then i admit defeat in this case. but i wont admit defeat that it cant mount photons up front though as it was never shown in the prime.
So the ship has two totally seperated ammunitions lockers: one purely for front torpeodes and another restricted to the rear.
Who designed this thing then? BP? TEPCO? Praxis Workforce Security inc.?
So the ship has two totally seperated ammunitions lockers: one purely for front torpeodes and another restricted to the rear.
Who designed this thing then? BP? TEPCO? Praxis Workforce Security inc.?
why not? phasers use up energy and torpedoes use up materials, both separate "ammo" types. besides it could be an advantage if the photons are fast firing, useful to protect the flank more, where as the quad cannons cover the slower quantum reload.
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why not? phasers use up energy and torpedoes use up materials, both separate "ammo" types. besides it could be an advantage if the photons are fast firing, useful to protect the flank more, where as the quad cannons cover the slower quantum reload.
It is not as if they cannot be changed around, Fed ships were meant to be modular, it is not hard to believe that a quantum top launcher could not be switched around with any other launcher type.
It is not as if they cannot be changed around, Fed ships were meant to be modular, it is not hard to believe that a quantum top launcher could not be switched around with any other launcher type.
it would entirely depend on the technology rather then trying to figure up a way to make it compatible. would be like trying to integrate a romulan singularity core into a matter/anti-matter plasma circuitry. it may not be possible to reverse weapon types and launch them off as you say. modular yes but not everything is 100% reverse compatible.
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It is not as if they cannot be changed around, Fed ships were meant to be modular, it is not hard to believe that a quantum top launcher could not be switched around with any other launcher type.
Actually, the "modular" is a STO concept.
The Series/movies have plenty of evidence of non-modular designs from Starfleet, ranging from warp-core specific parts to things transporters.
I mean, refitting the dilithium chamber of a Galaxy class took two weeks.
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Startrek special effects weren't always... consistent. The Enterprise D should get a special "Phaser Torpedo Launcher" console that allows it to fire a phaser from its torpedo.
And a Phaser-Deflector Modification, that allows it to fire phasers from its deflector.
As a three-part set with anti-matter spread console, it could also get a "Anti-Borg Deflector Beam". (at least the AMS and Anti-Borg Deflector Beam where announced and explained on screen.)
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Unfortunally, that image is not accurate either, as we know that the defiant has at least one dorsal and one ventral phaser strip, wich isn't mentioned on that image.
It's more accurate than the OP's stats though, thats for sure.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Startrek special effects weren't always... consistent. The Enterprise D should get a special "Phaser Torpedo Launcher" console that allows it to fire a phaser from its torpedo.
And a Phaser-Deflector Modification, that allows it to fire phasers from its deflector.
As a three-part set with anti-matter spread console, it could also get a "Anti-Borg Deflector Beam". (at least the AMS and Anti-Borg Deflector Beam where announced and explained on screen.)
I wonder if they fixed that in the blu ray remaster like they did a lot of the stuff in the TOS remasters.
Unfortunally, that image is not accurate either, as we know that the defiant has at least one dorsal and one ventral phaser strip, wich isn't mentioned on that image.
It's more accurate than the OP's stats though, thats for sure.
That image is just the inside front cover, there is more information in the magazine regarding the ship, the stats, the design.
However, as I do not own the copyright for the magazine, I figured, just a small preview picture to prove a point would be in order - if you wish to read the full specs and information, you may do so by buying it here.
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Well as someone else posted the Defiant is shown launching an aft photon torpedo in its battle with the USS Lakota.
Also at the time the Lakota was the only excelsior refitted in such a manner as part of Leytons whole plan.
But I think the explanation that the Excelsior used even older torpedo launchers that aren't forward compatible makes sense.
In general, at least since the Galaxy class, torpedo launchers are supposed to be able to handle multiple types of warheads and probes. Unfortunately we never got to see a quantum torpedo enabled Galaxy class...
was that a photon? i dunno. im not discounting it, but i couldnt tell if that was a photon or a rear facing cannon.
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different classifications of launchers can only handle certain types of torpedoes perhaps, for example a galaxy class can launch photons from mark V-VII but has not compatibility for quants, it's very possible its completely different technology like switching from duonetic circuits to isolinear chips.
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Oh c'mon, since when does the Defiant have rear-facing cannons?
And why does it travel so much slower than the forward ones and look like an orange version of the Quantums we've seen her fire from the front?
And why only a single "pulse" which would mean the rear cannon has about a 6th of the forward RoF?;)
Yes... it's a photon.
For one, its color is brighter than the phaser (generally photons color is a bright orange, while phasers and phaser cannons are dark orange).
It also moves slower, and is more circular.
http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/Trek/Series/DS9/DSN4-paradiselost-lakotafight17.jpg
yep, it's either a stooting star or a torpedo.:)
Wait, when the Scimitar gets 52 disruptor banks, 20 photon torpedo launchers, 20+ Scorpions and a 5 minute Thalaron Weapon that kills every living thing on a ship?
Aaah, why the hell not. Lets also give the Galaxy a total of 12 Beam Arrays, the Sovereign disappearing decks (nobody knows how many the thing actually had), and the Intrepid a Torpedo Tree and Shuttle tree.
Note that this sarcasm wasn't directed to you alois, but more to the subject of giving ships the stats of the series.
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I can already see the flows of tears from people when they try to equip a ship with 70+ fleet elite weapons.
So the ship has two totally seperated ammunitions lockers: one purely for front torpeodes and another restricted to the rear.
Who designed this thing then? BP? TEPCO? Praxis Workforce Security inc.?
why not? phasers use up energy and torpedoes use up materials, both separate "ammo" types. besides it could be an advantage if the photons are fast firing, useful to protect the flank more, where as the quad cannons cover the slower quantum reload.
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It is not as if they cannot be changed around, Fed ships were meant to be modular, it is not hard to believe that a quantum top launcher could not be switched around with any other launcher type.
it would entirely depend on the technology rather then trying to figure up a way to make it compatible. would be like trying to integrate a romulan singularity core into a matter/anti-matter plasma circuitry. it may not be possible to reverse weapon types and launch them off as you say. modular yes but not everything is 100% reverse compatible.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Actually, the "modular" is a STO concept.
The Series/movies have plenty of evidence of non-modular designs from Starfleet, ranging from warp-core specific parts to things transporters.
I mean, refitting the dilithium chamber of a Galaxy class took two weeks.
And a Phaser-Deflector Modification, that allows it to fire phasers from its deflector.
As a three-part set with anti-matter spread console, it could also get a "Anti-Borg Deflector Beam". (at least the AMS and Anti-Borg Deflector Beam where announced and explained on screen.)
Photo of Specs
You can zoom in on it, but I will type it up as well.
Reg: NX-74205
Class: Defiant
Constructed: Antares Fleet Yards
Launched: 2370
Length: 170.68 Meters
Decks: 4
Crew: 40
Top Speed: Warp 9.982
Weaponry: Four Pulse Phaser Cannons, 6 Torpedo Launchers
Captain: Benjamin Sisko
So the OP and the user made Wordpress article, is very much over inflated stats.
Unfortunally, that image is not accurate either, as we know that the defiant has at least one dorsal and one ventral phaser strip, wich isn't mentioned on that image.
It's more accurate than the OP's stats though, thats for sure.
I wonder if they fixed that in the blu ray remaster like they did a lot of the stuff in the TOS remasters.
That image is just the inside front cover, there is more information in the magazine regarding the ship, the stats, the design.
However, as I do not own the copyright for the magazine, I figured, just a small preview picture to prove a point would be in order - if you wish to read the full specs and information, you may do so by buying it here.