I use a Mk I phaser stun pistol on the ground only because I've gotten into roleplaying STO. It gets boring going in there and pwning face so much so I like to challenge myself :P
ironically, it is actually good enough to take down borg pretty fast. Once I get their shields down that is lol (and with my tachyeon harmonics ability that takes like 2 seconds)
I'd always be up for fun actions like that if they are planned....
But in an open STF-Q this should be forbidden, sorry.
You wouldn't get hate from me, I'd just leave if i'd see someone doing that. And he'd end on my igno. I understand that you are bored, but other are not and do that for marks and depend on a team. And you are ruining their game. And that is a very antisocial behavior.
I'd always be up for fun actions like that if they are planned....
But in an open STF-Q this should be forbidden, sorry.
You wouldn't get hate from me, I'd just leave if i'd see someone doing that. And he'd end on my igno. I understand that you are bored, but other are not and do that for marks and depend on a team. And you are ruining their game. And that is a very antisocial behavior.
Kinda have to agree with this.
In a private group, whatever goes if your group allow, but a lot of people use the public queue system as solo players, who are grinding marks, leveling up alts etc....
I'm all for choices in the game, I'm all for few restrictions if any at all, but I also think you should be considerate to other players and not mess with their gameplay.
I'd always be up for fun actions like that if they are planned....
But in an open STF-Q this should be forbidden, sorry.
You wouldn't get hate from me, I'd just leave if i'd see someone doing that. And he'd end on my igno. I understand that you are bored, but other are not and do that for marks and depend on a team. And you are ruining their game. And that is a very antisocial behavior.
As long as they are holding their own in the fight (and I've seen some people in tier 1 ships completely out fly some top of the line ships) I really have no issue with it. Hell, I've done it myself a few times with my (now mothballed) mirranda and I currently enjoy doing it in my TOS connie the U.S.S. BLUE FALCON. Loads of fun.
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ive always wanted to fly a miranda in an stf, but ive never had the equipment to do it.
you ask if you had? i would take the miranda into the fight and if people curse me, so what, i go out there show em what a t1 miranda can do! it beats up some ships well then there is hope for a t5 miranda... just one day enough support comes for it :rolleyes:
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Shouldve did that in a private match...just another reason they need to ban pre 40 ships in elites...you basically handicapped your team, which could have caused a optional fail.
Dont agree with the name calling, I wouldve asked everyone to simply leave you to solo the stf, then go spend a hour either farming Kerrat or chatting in esd lol...if people want to troll let them...just let them troll alone
I'd always be up for fun actions like that if they are planned....
But in an open STF-Q this should be forbidden, sorry.
You wouldn't get hate from me, I'd just leave if i'd see someone doing that. And he'd end on my igno. I understand that you are bored, but other are not and do that for marks and depend on a team. And you are ruining their game. And that is a very antisocial behavior.
Funny you should mention that...I've been considering trying to put together some fun STF action with Tier-1 and 2 ships...I'm not much of an organizer, though...I generally just suggest the ideas, and let someone else work out the logistics....
...that said, though, I'm -all in- on a pure Tier-1 STF run or 2...; though on my main lv 50 Fed character, my TOS Connie's going in there with the best equipment I can put on it, aside from the Retro Phaser banks, which stay out of pure nostalgia...; toss me a message in-game, sometime!
Shouldve did that in a private match...just another reason they need to ban pre 40 ships in elites...you basically handicapped your team, which could have caused a optional fail.
Extending that logic , a person doing 5k DPS in some 2500 Zen super-ship is allowed to stay yet someone kicking out 10k DPS with their little Miranda has to leave purely because they've turned up with their little Miranda?
Granted, there aren't many people capable of out-gunning T5s with T1s, but that doesn't mean those who can do it shouldn't be allowed to.
Doesn't have anything do to with trolling. The problem is that endgame players tend to obsess with those Marks, rather than having fun.
I've run ESTFs in a Tier One Miranda and Tier Two Constitution (Refit), using Fleet/Rep gear. And we pulled it off, with optionals. Spent my time mostly helping kill spheres/probes and healing/debuffing, giving a hand to the Big Boys.
The point is that I wasn't useless. I contributed to the Team and pulled my weight.
Truth is, with the elimination of shared cooldowns on Team powers, well equipped low Tier vessels might become viable light support elements in a match. As long as the players running them are not capable of slugging matches.
I'm all for choices in the game, I'm all for few restrictions if any at all, but I also think you should be considerate to other players and not mess with their gameplay.
The irony is that you advocate not messing with other players gameplay as a defence for why you're advocating with messing with other players gameplay...
Eh. I'd have to echo what others have said in this thread. Like, I'm sure it's fun to take a connie or other low tier build into an stf for some extra challenge or fun roleplay, but I think it's a little inconsiderate to do it in a public queue. Just make a private match with some friends or fleetmates, or set a match up through the forums with like minded people.
God knows pug stfs are already easy enough to botch when no one bothers to use the chat box except to curse you out in a different language when the optional gets blown.
Good for you for experimenting and having fun, but I think some consideration of other players should come into account when queue-ing public STFs.
I think it's funny they called you a noob though. Purposely outfitting a T1 build and taking it into a stf takes way too much deliberation for a lowly conufused noob.
Funny you should mention that...I've been considering trying to put together some fun STF action with Tier-1 and 2 ships...I'm not much of an organizer, though...I generally just suggest the ideas, and let someone else work out the logistics....
...that said, though, I'm -all in- on a pure Tier-1 STF run or 2...; though on my main lv 50 Fed character, my TOS Connie's going in there with the best equipment I can put on it, aside from the Retro Phaser banks, which stay out of pure nostalgia...; toss me a message in-game, sometime!
+1 on this
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Extending that logic , a person doing 5k DPS in some 2500 Zen super-ship is allowed to stay yet someone kicking out 10k DPS with their little Miranda has to leave purely because they've turned up with their little Miranda?
Granted, there aren't many people capable of out-gunning T5s with T1s, but that doesn't mean those who can do it shouldn't be allowed to.
Please... show me this mythical 10k Miranda build.
Also, it's not always about firepower output... the Borg still hit hard, so you need some hull and shields. Remember, you do 0 DPS when dead.
i had one dude in khitomer vortex elite who's dps was really low, like mk x white weapons, but he was doing the right stuff killing those drones before reaching vortex while i was soloing cubes, spheres and everything else alone while other 3 were doing same thing on other side.
i dont mind seeing ppl with low equipment in elite stf's while they doing right stuff and play properly.
I have to admit that the idea of me and a few friends creating a private and doing these missions with just Connies or Mirandas, does sound like fun though. :P
Maybe even fleet PVP too.
Hell, It's a way to mix things up ! Who says endgame has to be boring right?
I think I'll suggest it, in our next fleet meeting !
Funny you should mention that...I've been considering trying to put together some fun STF action with Tier-1 and 2 ships...I'm not much of an organizer, though...I generally just suggest the ideas, and let someone else work out the logistics....
...that said, though, I'm -all in- on a pure Tier-1 STF run or 2...; though on my main lv 50 Fed character, my TOS Connie's going in there with the best equipment I can put on it, aside from the Retro Phaser banks, which stay out of pure nostalgia...; toss me a message in-game, sometime!
I actually have started a channel called Star Trek Battles that runs along your idea just that you can use ANY ship you want. It has been so much fun and there are some guidelines but the main goal of it is to have fun and it has been for me and the feedback has been very positive.
So to capemike4 and bugspatteredjack I suggest looking at my thread
Well, perhaps instead of banning certain ships or levels from stfs, they should make ones specifically for those ships and levels. I don't have a problem with tier 1 or so ships joining in. Most of the time they do more to help than some of you tier 5 users. I'm mostly referring to you cannon escorts and scimitar pilots who sit in 1spot and turret everything, like having to fly your ship is such an effort. Or the ones who ignore the probes going for the gateway, like its beneath you because you have a ship like that. You guys are usually the cause of a missed optional because you assume someone else is going to take up your slack.
If someone chooses go use an old ship in an stf, they're perfectly free to do so. There are so many complaints about them all being too easy anyway that it shouldn't even be a problem for most of you, unless you're just all talk.
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What's hilarious is that there are so many uber DPS builders out there, you're likely to encounter at least one or two in the public queues, so having someone in there in a PoS Connie or Cannon Fodder shouldn't be a problem.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
1. Please... show me this mythical 10k Miranda build.
Also, it's not always about firepower output... the Borg still hit hard, so you need some hull and shields. Remember, you do 0 DPS when dead.
1. It was an example, going with the point that as some people can do more damage with T1s than some other people in T5s, and hence it is pointless to restrict T1s from turning up just because they are T1. Numbers were entirely irrelevant. Of course, as you seem to have missed that completely...
To answer your somewhat patronising point, a Miranda can easily do 10k as a spike value with common/uncommon RA gear, as a normal person with real understanding of mechanics and how to max damage out. Put in some DPS god with a perfect build and 10k DPS overall has to be achievable, despite its mere 3 weapons slots, 3 console slots and 3 ensign level Boff seats.
2. Solution is not get killed. A bit difficult, but not impossible, just have enough people and things for them to target anything but you.
Some people are saying that those who want to play in a T1 ship should go create a private for that... Well guess what? You don't want to run the risk of playing with a T1 ship? Go make your own private match!
EDIT: If I see a T1 ship in an STF, I will be happy for the change of pace.
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I once accidentially took my T2 Connie into Infected Space Elite with the guys in my fleet. I was like "Oh TRIBBLE I'm gonna die even with VA gear". The Borg never even looked at me, and we all got a good laugh, especially since I didn't die even once. lol
Extending that logic , a person doing 5k DPS in some 2500 Zen super-ship is allowed to stay yet someone kicking out 10k DPS with their little Miranda has to leave purely because they've turned up with their little Miranda?
Granted, there aren't many people capable of out-gunning T5s with T1s, but that doesn't mean those who can do it shouldn't be allowed to.
I doubt, and for that matter highly doubt that anyone is pulling that kind of dps with a t1 ship. firstly, you just don't have the weapons and modifiers to do it. nor the boff skills..
however, if a t1 or 2 superstar who can (and I still doubt it) pull those numbers off, then they have no problem..
the problem comes from the fact that they cant. and forget about being 1 shot by borg torp, youd be basically 1 shot by the lesser plasma dot.
im all for fun and messing around, but like everyone else is saying, do it on your own time..
I once accidentially took my T2 Connie into Infected Space Elite with the guys in my fleet. I was like "Oh TRIBBLE I'm gonna die even with VA gear". The Borg never even looked at me, and we all got a good laugh, especially since I didn't die even once. lol
hey, that's canon
the borg ignore anyone they don't consider a threat
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I actually have started a channel called Star Trek Battles that runs along your idea just that you can use ANY ship you want. It has been so much fun and there are some guidelines but the main goal of it is to have fun and it has been for me and the feedback has been very positive.
So to capemike4 and bugspatteredjack I suggest looking at my thread
and if your interested, or anyone really, lmk and just leave me your @handle.
Mine is trizeo@trizeo1
I've actually been reading that thread....
Do we -have- to use race-specific weapons? My only issue is that, as a Free/Silver player, I pretty much just have to go with whatever I can get my hands on, weapons and equipment-wise...; EC can sometimes be an issue for me, as I refuse to farm Foundry missions(matter of honor) on principle.
But I'm sure it'll still be fun!
On a semi-related note, while I agree with the sentiment of the original poster, my feeling is that, as long as you're pulling your weight in an stf, I see no real problem with flying whatever you'd like...I still, at times, get people surprised I'm bringing in my Nebula Refit(Fleet model) into Elite stuff...they tend to stop complaining after I save their skidplates a few times or pin down some Borg Probes long enough to deal with them....
Next thing you'll know, there'll be people who only want you to run escorts and as tacts. If the player pulls weight as good as the average pug, I'm ok with fighting a whole squadron of Centaurs.
I am not going to say he shouldn't or should be doing what he did.
The problem is the content. These stfs are suppose to be end game and they have become sad jokes where taking a t1 ship in is the only way to create a real challenge. There needs to be more end game content and content that will challenge players. Cryptic is failing at that hard, they seem either unable to create content that is a challenge to players or they are afraid of doing so. Either way, this is a sign of the problem but not the main problem. Taking t1 ships into end game content should get you roflstomped but right now you can do it and still expect to win.
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ironically, it is actually good enough to take down borg pretty fast. Once I get their shields down that is lol (and with my tachyeon harmonics ability that takes like 2 seconds)
But in an open STF-Q this should be forbidden, sorry.
You wouldn't get hate from me, I'd just leave if i'd see someone doing that. And he'd end on my igno. I understand that you are bored, but other are not and do that for marks and depend on a team. And you are ruining their game. And that is a very antisocial behavior.
Kinda have to agree with this.
In a private group, whatever goes if your group allow, but a lot of people use the public queue system as solo players, who are grinding marks, leveling up alts etc....
I'm all for choices in the game, I'm all for few restrictions if any at all, but I also think you should be considerate to other players and not mess with their gameplay.
As long as they are holding their own in the fight (and I've seen some people in tier 1 ships completely out fly some top of the line ships) I really have no issue with it. Hell, I've done it myself a few times with my (now mothballed) mirranda and I currently enjoy doing it in my TOS connie the U.S.S. BLUE FALCON. Loads of fun.
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you ask if you had? i would take the miranda into the fight and if people curse me, so what, i go out there show em what a t1 miranda can do! it beats up some ships well then there is hope for a t5 miranda... just one day enough support comes for it :rolleyes:
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Dont agree with the name calling, I wouldve asked everyone to simply leave you to solo the stf, then go spend a hour either farming Kerrat or chatting in esd lol...if people want to troll let them...just let them troll alone
Funny you should mention that...I've been considering trying to put together some fun STF action with Tier-1 and 2 ships...I'm not much of an organizer, though...I generally just suggest the ideas, and let someone else work out the logistics....
...that said, though, I'm -all in- on a pure Tier-1 STF run or 2...; though on my main lv 50 Fed character, my TOS Connie's going in there with the best equipment I can put on it, aside from the Retro Phaser banks, which stay out of pure nostalgia...; toss me a message in-game, sometime!
Extending that logic , a person doing 5k DPS in some 2500 Zen super-ship is allowed to stay yet someone kicking out 10k DPS with their little Miranda has to leave purely because they've turned up with their little Miranda?
Granted, there aren't many people capable of out-gunning T5s with T1s, but that doesn't mean those who can do it shouldn't be allowed to.
I've run ESTFs in a Tier One Miranda and Tier Two Constitution (Refit), using Fleet/Rep gear. And we pulled it off, with optionals. Spent my time mostly helping kill spheres/probes and healing/debuffing, giving a hand to the Big Boys.
The point is that I wasn't useless. I contributed to the Team and pulled my weight.
Truth is, with the elimination of shared cooldowns on Team powers, well equipped low Tier vessels might become viable light support elements in a match. As long as the players running them are not capable of slugging matches.
The irony is that you advocate not messing with other players gameplay as a defence for why you're advocating with messing with other players gameplay...
God knows pug stfs are already easy enough to botch when no one bothers to use the chat box except to curse you out in a different language when the optional gets blown.
Good for you for experimenting and having fun, but I think some consideration of other players should come into account when queue-ing public STFs.
I think it's funny they called you a noob though. Purposely outfitting a T1 build and taking it into a stf takes way too much deliberation for a lowly conufused noob.
+1 on this
i've seen so many afkers in stf's and voth ground.
don't u get pee off with it?
so USS Khang is popping by to have fun..
forgot to mention that it has MKXII kit and some very nice consoles...
see you out there...:)
I would have commended you at the end for trying it... in fact I commend you now for doing it.
Please... show me this mythical 10k Miranda build.
Also, it's not always about firepower output... the Borg still hit hard, so you need some hull and shields. Remember, you do 0 DPS when dead.
i dont mind seeing ppl with low equipment in elite stf's while they doing right stuff and play properly.
I have to admit that the idea of me and a few friends creating a private and doing these missions with just Connies or Mirandas, does sound like fun though. :P
Maybe even fleet PVP too.
Hell, It's a way to mix things up ! Who says endgame has to be boring right?
I think I'll suggest it, in our next fleet meeting !
@ capemike4
I actually have started a channel called Star Trek Battles that runs along your idea just that you can use ANY ship you want. It has been so much fun and there are some guidelines but the main goal of it is to have fun and it has been for me and the feedback has been very positive.
So to capemike4 and bugspatteredjack I suggest looking at my thread
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1026351
and if your interested, or anyone really, lmk and just leave me your @handle.
Mine is trizeo@trizeo1
i'm seeing so many peeps getting agroed about playing the game, unreal.
trust me in my T5 ships i cause pros......
have fun..
see you out there.:cool:
If someone chooses go use an old ship in an stf, they're perfectly free to do so. There are so many complaints about them all being too easy anyway that it shouldn't even be a problem for most of you, unless you're just all talk.
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1. It was an example, going with the point that as some people can do more damage with T1s than some other people in T5s, and hence it is pointless to restrict T1s from turning up just because they are T1. Numbers were entirely irrelevant. Of course, as you seem to have missed that completely...
To answer your somewhat patronising point, a Miranda can easily do 10k as a spike value with common/uncommon RA gear, as a normal person with real understanding of mechanics and how to max damage out. Put in some DPS god with a perfect build and 10k DPS overall has to be achievable, despite its mere 3 weapons slots, 3 console slots and 3 ensign level Boff seats.
2. Solution is not get killed. A bit difficult, but not impossible, just have enough people and things for them to target anything but you.
EDIT: If I see a T1 ship in an STF, I will be happy for the change of pace.
I doubt, and for that matter highly doubt that anyone is pulling that kind of dps with a t1 ship. firstly, you just don't have the weapons and modifiers to do it. nor the boff skills..
however, if a t1 or 2 superstar who can (and I still doubt it) pull those numbers off, then they have no problem..
the problem comes from the fact that they cant. and forget about being 1 shot by borg torp, youd be basically 1 shot by the lesser plasma dot.
im all for fun and messing around, but like everyone else is saying, do it on your own time..
the borg ignore anyone they don't consider a threat
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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I've actually been reading that thread....
Do we -have- to use race-specific weapons? My only issue is that, as a Free/Silver player, I pretty much just have to go with whatever I can get my hands on, weapons and equipment-wise...; EC can sometimes be an issue for me, as I refuse to farm Foundry missions(matter of honor) on principle.
But I'm sure it'll still be fun!
On a semi-related note, while I agree with the sentiment of the original poster, my feeling is that, as long as you're pulling your weight in an stf, I see no real problem with flying whatever you'd like...I still, at times, get people surprised I'm bringing in my Nebula Refit(Fleet model) into Elite stuff...they tend to stop complaining after I save their skidplates a few times or pin down some Borg Probes long enough to deal with them....
The problem is the content. These stfs are suppose to be end game and they have become sad jokes where taking a t1 ship in is the only way to create a real challenge. There needs to be more end game content and content that will challenge players. Cryptic is failing at that hard, they seem either unable to create content that is a challenge to players or they are afraid of doing so. Either way, this is a sign of the problem but not the main problem. Taking t1 ships into end game content should get you roflstomped but right now you can do it and still expect to win.