That was part of the point in calling it an escort, they were trying to hide the fact it was one of the most powerful ships in the quadrant, yet was made by a group that supposedly was not a military.
As for the second thing, yup, NON-canon, as in it was not an official thing, and thus does not matter in the long run.
What I am trying to say is that the "Escort" classification used by STO does not make sense to me. I prefer if STO referred to starship as frigates, destroyers, light cruisers, heavy cruiser, battleships, carriers, etc.
What I am trying to say is that the "Escort" classification used by STO does not make sense to me. I prefer if STO referred to starship as frigates, destroyers, light cruisers, heavy cruiser, battleships, carriers, etc.
As it has already been used by the show, that is what is official canon, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can disagree all you want, but official canon wins against all.
LOL you guys give Cryptic way too much credit for original thinking.
Its actually: "Fighter, Mage, Thief" copied over from WOW.
A tired even at the time trope of MMOs.
That's why we get "Space Magic" with no ties to the shows and movies like Gravity Well and Tykin's Rift.
Sure they were encountered during the shows, but never actually used by the ships which makes sense because that level of Gravity control would invalidate Warp Drive.
As it has already been used by the show, that is what is official canon, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can disagree all you want, but official canon wins against all.
What I am trying to say is that the "Escort" classification used by STO does not make sense to me. I prefer if STO referred to starship as frigates, destroyers, light cruisers, heavy cruiser, battleships, carriers, etc.
I already gave a much simpler reference chart in this thread:
Pew. (Ships like the Oberth and Nova).
Pew-Pew. (Ships like the Excelsior and Avenger).
PEW-PEW-PEW. (Ships like the Kumari and Defiant).
It's very elegant and easy to see the designation. Also you only have to remember one word.
I'll even show how it would fit into a conversation:
Ensign: "Captain Rufus! Several enemy ships just entered the system!!"
Captain: "Mr Connor-Smythe the Third, what are we up against?"
Ensign: "Um... 3 PEW-PEW-PEW, 6 Pew-Pew and 8 Pews."
Captain: "Hmm.... can you be more specific?"
Ensign: "29 Pews total, sir"
Captain: "Excellent. Shift all auxiliary power to the forward batteries, and FIRE AT WILL!"
official canon.
defiant is a failure.
sabre class is better.
akira class is much better.
galaxy class is better than both akira and sabre, yet under fansplooge tinted goggles, suddenly the defiant, a failed design in canon, is the best thing going.
thats the problem with believing mary sue writing like you do.
one major problem in your raging, there is nothing in canon that states any of that.
except for it being a failure thats a central part of the story the first few episodes it is seen in. the little ussue of it being too badly built to function that o'brian had to fix. in the plot device splooge way everything about the defiant would ever be handled.
so, yea, its being a failure is canon. something the sabre never had.
in message in a bottle an akira is seen being supported by 2 of the little failures. if the defiant was the better ship, it would be the lead ship being supported by others.
If you ever actually watched the episodes, O'brien was able to fix the issue on the Prototype and common sense dictates that the normal ones did not have this problem since it was likely fixed after the Dominion threatened war. Once again, this is your own personal bias against ship you obviously do not like.
EDIT: oh, and to make another point, it is also stated in the show, the Defiant was not benched because of the power issue (it WAS a prototype after all), but because the Borg stopped being an imminent threat and without that, there was no need for a warship.
well, Feds have ALWAYS been a bit stupid in that regard. The Connie and Galaxy class were supposed to be basically luxury exploration vessels, that just so happen to be equal to the more militaristic governments. That, and i always pass it off that most of the ships were refitted for war, including the science ships.
You and many others just can't get over terminology, can you? "Exploration" = "Unarmed sight seeing", "Warship" = "Bestest uber cool evar!" ?
You know that Explorers are designed to face the unknown, most of which is out to kill you, on their own without support on missions that take years. Many episodes of the show depict various people being offended by the Enterprise because she's armed to the teeth and able to blow any of their battlewarfightingships out of the uuniverse, if that would be her mission. Assuming a ship of this class would be in any way shape or form unable to stand up in a fight is foolish.
Likewise, mistaking Picard's diplomatic approach on conflict as weakness is foolish as well. I suspect you originate from a society that highly promotes militarism as something desireable and good but it is indeed not needed anywhere.
"First, men with discrimination will be viewed as schemers; second, men with deep far-sightedness will be seen as cowards; and third, men with rough behaviour will be mistaken for real warriors. These are great errors." -Takeda Shingen
And this guy was a big warrior who fought countless bloody wars. So his word should be equal to the holy book to you
On the other hand you presume "warship" means that this thing can beat everything in a few seconds without support. You just need one Defiant to go in anywhere and kill everything. STO works that way, that is true, but Star Trek didn't. In First Contact, the USS Defiant (Sao Paolo) is fighting the Borg cube. The very thing this uber cool warship of doom was designed to do. And she fails. Why? Because she's a small support vessel without plot armour that isn't able to do anything to that cube on her own or with support from a fleet. You just need to piece together what we are shown on screen, in fact skollulfr spelled much of it out for you, although I don't approve that any of you needs to spill insults over the discussion about a TV show
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
You and many others just can't get over terminology, can you? "Exploration" = "Unarmed sight seeing", "Warship" = "Bestest uber cool evar!" ?
You know that Explorers are designed to face the unknown, most of which is out to kill you, on their own without support on missions that take years. Many episodes of the show depict various people being offended by the Enterprise because she's armed to the teeth and able to blow any of their battlewarfightingships out of the uuniverse, if that would be her mission. Assuming a ship of this class would be in any way shape or form unable to stand up in a fight is foolish.
Likewise, mistaking Picard's diplomatic approach on conflict as weakness is foolish as well. I suspect you originate from a society that highly promotes militarism as something desireable and good but it is indeed not needed anywhere.
"First, men with discrimination will be viewed as schemers; second, men with deep far-sightedness will be seen as cowards; and third, men with rough behaviour will be mistaken for real warriors. These are great errors." -Takeda Shingen
And this guy was a big warrior who fought countless bloody wars. So his word should be equal to the holy book to you
On the other hand you presume "warship" means that this thing can beat everything in a few seconds without support. You just need one Defiant to go in anywhere and kill everything. STO works that way, that is true, but Star Trek didn't. In First Contact, the USS Defiant (Sao Paolo) is fighting the Borg cube. The very thing this uber cool warship of doom was designed to do. And she fails. Why? Because she's a small support vessel without plot armour that isn't able to do anything to that cube on her own or with support from a fleet. You just need to piece together what we are shown on screen, in fact skollulfr spelled much of it out for you, although I don't approve that any of you needs to spill insults over the discussion about a TV show
Can you blame people who are using what they see today as explorers, unarmed ships packed with scientific equipment to seeing an heavily armed vessel that can explore, but it is mostly used in either combat situations or conflict-resolving missions which traditionally are mostly for warships. However, since the show does really muck up most ship designations. At least the term deterrence explorer hasn't made into the game. Worst Designation ever.
You and many others just can't get over terminology, can you? "Exploration" = "Unarmed sight seeing", "Warship" = "Bestest uber cool evar!" ?
You know that Explorers are designed to face the unknown, most of which is out to kill you, on their own without support on missions that take years. Many episodes of the show depict various people being offended by the Enterprise because she's armed to the teeth and able to blow any of their battlewarfightingships out of the uuniverse, if that would be her mission. Assuming a ship of this class would be in any way shape or form unable to stand up in a fight is foolish.
Likewise, mistaking Picard's diplomatic approach on conflict as weakness is foolish as well. I suspect you originate from a society that highly promotes militarism as something desireable and good but it is indeed not needed anywhere.
"First, men with discrimination will be viewed as schemers; second, men with deep far-sightedness will be seen as cowards; and third, men with rough behaviour will be mistaken for real warriors. These are great errors." -Takeda Shingen
And this guy was a big warrior who fought countless bloody wars. So his word should be equal to the holy book to you
On the other hand you presume "warship" means that this thing can beat everything in a few seconds without support. You just need one Defiant to go in anywhere and kill everything. STO works that way, that is true, but Star Trek didn't. In First Contact, the USS Defiant (Sao Paolo) is fighting the Borg cube. The very thing this uber cool warship of doom was designed to do. And she fails. Why? Because she's a small support vessel without plot armour that isn't able to do anything to that cube on her own or with support from a fleet. You just need to piece together what we are shown on screen, in fact skollulfr spelled much of it out for you, although I don't approve that any of you needs to spill insults over the discussion about a TV show
I have no idea what forums you are reading and what posts you are reading, but you must be delusional to even think half of this stuff
Today, YES, most exploration stuff ARE unarmed, and when they are, they're usually not equal to battleships of other nations
WTF, WHEN in ANY conversation did i EVER say anything like this, you MUST be delusional or trolling, no other option is available for such a stupid remark. Picard is my favorite captain in Star trek, and i consider him (alongside sisko) one of the best captains. I consider trigger happy captains like Janeway villians in the series.
In the Tv show, Borg are actually threatening and even their most powerful ships are nothing to the borg. It is actually hinted at the only reason the cube was damaged as much as it was when the Ent-E got their was BECAUSE of the Defiant and the other escort ships
Also, The Defiant is shown to be able to just that, wiping out a Bugship in a single shot, and wiping out a Keldon class in only a couple hits and that was the Prototype doing that, not the second, stronger, more stable one.
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What I am trying to say is that the "Escort" classification used by STO does not make sense to me. I prefer if STO referred to starship as frigates, destroyers, light cruisers, heavy cruiser, battleships, carriers, etc.
As it has already been used by the show, that is what is official canon, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can disagree all you want, but official canon wins against all.
Its actually: "Fighter, Mage, Thief" copied over from WOW.
A tired even at the time trope of MMOs.
That's why we get "Space Magic" with no ties to the shows and movies like Gravity Well and Tykin's Rift.
Sure they were encountered during the shows, but never actually used by the ships which makes sense because that level of Gravity control would invalidate Warp Drive.
Two words: Space Salamanders!!!
I already gave a much simpler reference chart in this thread:
Pew. (Ships like the Oberth and Nova).
Pew-Pew. (Ships like the Excelsior and Avenger).
PEW-PEW-PEW. (Ships like the Kumari and Defiant).
It's very elegant and easy to see the designation. Also you only have to remember one word.
I'll even show how it would fit into a conversation:
Ensign: "Captain Rufus! Several enemy ships just entered the system!!"
Captain: "Mr Connor-Smythe the Third, what are we up against?"
Ensign: "Um... 3 PEW-PEW-PEW, 6 Pew-Pew and 8 Pews."
Captain: "Hmm.... can you be more specific?"
Ensign: "29 Pews total, sir"
Captain: "Excellent. Shift all auxiliary power to the forward batteries, and FIRE AT WILL!"
one major problem in your raging, there is nothing in canon that states any of that.
If you ever actually watched the episodes, O'brien was able to fix the issue on the Prototype and common sense dictates that the normal ones did not have this problem since it was likely fixed after the Dominion threatened war. Once again, this is your own personal bias against ship you obviously do not like.
EDIT: oh, and to make another point, it is also stated in the show, the Defiant was not benched because of the power issue (it WAS a prototype after all), but because the Borg stopped being an imminent threat and without that, there was no need for a warship.
Well until they implement your idea of PEW-PEW-PEW-PEW (what we here on the forums call the Scimitar), then it's goodest and gooderest?
Until they implement the new weapon type, tat, which is the equivalent of 3 PEW.
You and many others just can't get over terminology, can you? "Exploration" = "Unarmed sight seeing", "Warship" = "Bestest uber cool evar!" ?
You know that Explorers are designed to face the unknown, most of which is out to kill you, on their own without support on missions that take years. Many episodes of the show depict various people being offended by the Enterprise because she's armed to the teeth and able to blow any of their battlewarfightingships out of the uuniverse, if that would be her mission. Assuming a ship of this class would be in any way shape or form unable to stand up in a fight is foolish.
Likewise, mistaking Picard's diplomatic approach on conflict as weakness is foolish as well. I suspect you originate from a society that highly promotes militarism as something desireable and good but it is indeed not needed anywhere.
"First, men with discrimination will be viewed as schemers; second, men with deep far-sightedness will be seen as cowards; and third, men with rough behaviour will be mistaken for real warriors. These are great errors." -Takeda Shingen
And this guy was a big warrior who fought countless bloody wars. So his word should be equal to the holy book to you
On the other hand you presume "warship" means that this thing can beat everything in a few seconds without support. You just need one Defiant to go in anywhere and kill everything. STO works that way, that is true, but Star Trek didn't. In First Contact, the USS Defiant (Sao Paolo) is fighting the Borg cube. The very thing this uber cool warship of doom was designed to do. And she fails. Why? Because she's a small support vessel without plot armour that isn't able to do anything to that cube on her own or with support from a fleet. You just need to piece together what we are shown on screen, in fact skollulfr spelled much of it out for you, although I don't approve that any of you needs to spill insults over the discussion about a TV show
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Can you blame people who are using what they see today as explorers, unarmed ships packed with scientific equipment to seeing an heavily armed vessel that can explore, but it is mostly used in either combat situations or conflict-resolving missions which traditionally are mostly for warships. However, since the show does really muck up most ship designations. At least the term deterrence explorer hasn't made into the game. Worst Designation ever.
I have no idea what forums you are reading and what posts you are reading, but you must be delusional to even think half of this stuff
Today, YES, most exploration stuff ARE unarmed, and when they are, they're usually not equal to battleships of other nations
WTF, WHEN in ANY conversation did i EVER say anything like this, you MUST be delusional or trolling, no other option is available for such a stupid remark. Picard is my favorite captain in Star trek, and i consider him (alongside sisko) one of the best captains. I consider trigger happy captains like Janeway villians in the series.
In the Tv show, Borg are actually threatening and even their most powerful ships are nothing to the borg. It is actually hinted at the only reason the cube was damaged as much as it was when the Ent-E got their was BECAUSE of the Defiant and the other escort ships
Also, The Defiant is shown to be able to just that, wiping out a Bugship in a single shot, and wiping out a Keldon class in only a couple hits and that was the Prototype doing that, not the second, stronger, more stable one.