Ha'Feh Warbird - Am I the only one ?

shinzonisback · January 2014

Hi guys

Playing STFs I noticed that there are not many players who fly this ship and I really don't know why.

Its an awesome and beautiful ship (with Haakona parts).

So the question is: Who fly this ship and how you fly it ?

kodachikuno · January 2014

I have a Ha'Feh on my main Rom and love it. Atm I have it dominion set rigged with polaron weapons and use it like an escort, fly in decloak and pwn

farmallm · January 2014

I still have mine, and used it a plenty since I got it at Lv40. I like to rotate my ships after using them for a while. Since I got the new Romulan ship added back in Oct. I'm about to rotate back to it soon.

Mine also has a different look than most. I changed the nacelles and pylons.

sesshoseki7 · January 2014

The Ha'Feh (particularly the fleet Ha'Feh) is an exceedingly good ship, with profoundly good stats over all, easily the match for its contemporaries up to and including the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, PLUS it has battle cloak! The gimmicky singularity powers are nice but not a magic bullet.

The one and only thing that blunts the Ha'Feh is actually nothing to do with the ship itself, it's that the Scimitar packs even more power.

I've actually taken to calling the Ha'Feh the "Mini-tar" or "Mini-Scimitar", which is a bit of a sour note given how great the Ha'Feh is on its own merits. It is of course vastly more maneuverable compared to the Scimitar, but aside from that it's basically competing to be a top shelf DPS ship, and while it fills that role admirably, there is all too often an option right next to it that can do even more damage.

All of that doesn't even begin to address of the obvious "iconic" appeal the Scimitar has that the Ha'Feh, being an original concept, doesn't benefit from.

shinzonisback · January 2014

sesshoseki7 wrote: »

The Ha'Feh (particularly the fleet Ha'Feh) is an exceedingly good ship, with profoundly good stats over all, easily the match for its contemporaries up to and including the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship, PLUS it has battle cloak! The gimmicky singularity powers are nice but not a magic bullet.

The one and only thing that blunts the Ha'Feh is actually nothing to do with the ship itself, it's that the Scimitar packs even more power.

I've actually taken to calling the Ha'Feh the "Mini-tar" or "Mini-Scimitar", which is a bit of a sour note given how great the Ha'Feh is on its own merits. It is of course vastly more maneuverable compared to the Scimitar, but aside from that it's basically competing to be a top shelf DPS ship, and while it fills that role admirably, there is all too often an option right next to it that can do even more damage.

All of that doesn't even begin to address of the obvious "iconic" appeal the Scimitar has that the Ha'Feh, being an original concept, doesn't benefit from.

Well, while I agree it doesn't have the appeal the Scimitar has, I noticed that many players fly the Ar'Kif Carrier and the Fleet Dhelan (which are original ships too).

I saw many FED flying fleet Defiants and fleet Advacanced Escorts as well ... and FED have many good options like Kumari ships or the Heavy Escort Carrier.

Don't know why, but I think players tend to understimate it.

rylanadionysis · January 2014

The Dhelan is simply the better escort class ship.

protogoth · January 2014

I have a nice little squadron of ships, among which is a Mirror Ha'feh, outfitted with the Jem'Hadar set. It's a pretty good ship, although I don't use it as much as I use some of the others in my command.

amincielbleu · January 2014

The Ha'Feh is a good ship. It simply suffers from the harsh competition of other very good escorts available for a low price for the Romulan captain. The Fleet Dhelan, the Fleet T'Varo, the Fleet Mogai, not to mention the Scimitar who isn't an escort-like warbird, all of them benefit from specific advantages (e.g. the T'Varo 's enhanced battle cloak) that the Ha'Feh hasn't.
But overall the Fleet Ha'feh has nice features : 5 tactical consoles and a LT-Cmd universal slot. Many Federation captains wish that a similarly good escort would exist on their side...

yreodred · January 2014

I like the Ha'Feh Warbird myself, especially the Fleet version.:cool:
But there are two things that give me a hard time when using it.

First may sound crazy, but the turn rate is way too high IMO, for me that ship handles way too nimble. (i warned you, it would sound crazy. lol)

Second, size.
I don't know how other ppl manage to fly that thing, but i find it's way too big.

As i said in another thread, the devs should either reduce it's size or make it a bit less nimble. A ship of that size feels rediculus with a turnrate of 16 (!) IMO.

protogoth · January 2014

yreodred wrote: »

I like the Ha'Feh Warbird myself, especially the Fleet version.:cool:
But there are two things that give me a hard time when using it.

First may sound crazy, but the turn rate is way too high IMO, for me that ship handles way too nimble. (i warned you, it would sound crazy. lol)

Second, size.
I don't know how other ppl manage to fly that thing, but i find it's way too big.

As i said in another thread, the devs should either reduce it's size or make it a bit less nimble. A ship of that size feels rediculus with a turnrate of 16 (!) IMO.

I really disagree with any suggestion to nerf anything, with extremely rare exceptions. A much better solution to authentically "overpowered" situations is to improve other situations. More often than not, claims that this or that is "OP" or "imba" are nonsense, or whining by the less capable.

Nerfing the turn on the Ha'feh would make it just another useless ship in my collection of mostly useless ships. As it is now, it's something I do occasionally actually use along with my several lockbox ships and C-store ships, unlike the majority of my ships (which I keep simply for the motivation of having a menagerie, and with the hope that they may someday become useful).

talonxv · January 2014

Personally I don't like ANY of the Sub Admiral ships. Look like cheap knock offs of the Scimitar. Personally I liked the Ar'Kala more than I liked the Ha'Feh. Though also the Breen raider, MUCH better ship.

Either way Ha'Feh, ugly as sin and just doesn't feel like a proper warbird.

shinzonisback · January 2014

talonxv wrote: »

Personally I don't like ANY of the Sub Admiral ships. Look like cheap knock offs of the Scimitar. Personally I liked the Ar'Kala more than I liked the Ha'Feh. Though also the Breen raider, MUCH better ship.

Either way Ha'Feh, ugly as sin and just doesn't feel like a proper warbird.

UGLY ?
The Ha'Feh ?

man, are we talkin about the same ship o_O ?
well, the original Ha'Feh may be ugly, but hey: buy the Haakona parts and watch it become the most beutiful ship in the game

I spent about 300.000 dil to buy that parts, devs should really re-release ship custumization packs, like the Maelstrom class pack for the FED Patrol Escort etc.

yreodred · January 2014

protogoth wrote: »

I really disagree with any suggestion to nerf anything, with extremely rare exceptions. A much better solution to authentically "overpowered" situations is to improve other situations. More often than not, claims that this or that is "OP" or "imba" are nonsense, or whining by the less capable.

Nerfing the turn on the Ha'feh would make it just another useless ship in my collection of mostly useless ships. As it is now, it's something I do occasionally actually use along with my several lockbox ships and C-store ships, unlike the majority of my ships (which I keep simply for the motivation of having a menagerie, and with the hope that they may someday become useful).

I agree, nerfing is always bad. But a ship of the size of the Ha'feh should have a much lower turnrate. What Cryptics devs could do would be to make it much smaller, so a ship almost four times the mass of a Excelsior doesn't have a turnrate of 16.

I'm not saying it OP or imba, or whatever. My point was that it's rediculus to have such a huge ship with such a turnrate. (i am absolutely NOT talking about it BOFF layout or other stats.)
Sure it fits to the Haakona but i think Cryptics devs forgot that other ships of that size have much lower turnrate. They should have made it more like a destroyer IMO, instead of creating another Escort. The Fleet version has Destroyer potential since its
Lt.Cmdr Uni station. They should have given the T5 version a Lt.Cmdr engineering, instead making it a tac. But that just my opinion, i am sure there are more than enough escort crazy people who will disagree

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@shinzonisback
Fully agree the Ha'feh looks gorgeous with Haakona parts. :cool:

kiloace · January 2014

I don't fly it because its too big for its turn rate. It just looks wrong.

woodwhity · January 2014

Scimitar aside, both the Dhelan and the Arkif are superior. Another downside of the Hafee is the need of a T5 Shipyard to purchase the fleet variant. The Dhelan is avaiable before, and with its lt.cmdr. Sci it has much more variability.

rylanadionysis · January 2014

it looks like a fat pigeon with stubby wings

shinzonisback · January 2014

Again: are we all talking about the same ship ?

http://i40.tinypic.com/9qyzok.png
with Haakona parts

talonxv · January 2014

shinzonisback wrote: »

UGLY ?
The Ha'Feh ?

man, are we talkin about the same ship o_O ?
well, the original Ha'Feh may be ugly, but hey: buy the Haakona parts and watch it become the most beutiful ship in the game

I spent about 300.000 dil to buy that parts, devs should really re-release ship custumization packs, like the Maelstrom class pack for the FED Patrol Escort etc.

I looked at that. STILL UGLY. Sorry Ak'rif is fare more sleek and deadly looking. Sorry Ha'feh and it's cousins. Big dumptruck with wings, a cross between warbirds and the scimitar.

Ak'rif. THAT is a real warbird.

fenr00k · January 2014

I love the Ha'Feh, and yup I tend to go for the Haakona look too.

BUT the minute I hit VA I tend to stop using it. The very simple reason is that I own the Scimitar pack, no other warbird comes even close on the tac scimitar. I just love the old decloak and power slide play style too much.

This said, the minute the fleet I am in gets T5 ship yard I WILL have at least 1 character flying a fleet Ha'Feh full time!

As to people flying the fleet defiant etc, nope, I fly the Kumari if I am in the mood for an escort on my fed human tac. The same character owns a fleet defiant and fleet Prometheus, but I prefer the Kumari (I sometimes take out the Prometheus for some gravity well throwing fun...).

Oh and yeah, I love the Ar'Kif too, end of the day though it's just Diderix that's been on a diet. lol

protogoth · January 2014

I think it's quite attractive. I made mine look as much like a T'Liss as I could:
the A.R.W. Sienae

panserbjorne39 · January 2014

looks like a space penguin.

shinzonisback · January 2014

it looks nice, I still prefer the haakona parts, but i like the colour patterns

catoblepasbeta · January 2014

Personally, I don't really like any of the Cryptic designs very much, so I'd rather stick to the Mogai, and D'deridex, no matter how good/bad they may be compared to the other ships. Most of the new ones really don't really seem to grasp Romulan aesthetics very well, and continue Cryptics fixation with hideous oversized nacelles.

iikkajarvi · February 2014

I love this ship. I have a Mirror Ha'Feh, with Reman shields (For now at least), and it looks pretty awesome. Sleek, modern, and deadly. Plus the maneuverability is ideal because of the narrow arc of some of my fore weapons. Up until this ship I stuck with heavier cruiser-style ships, and while I appreciated the tankiness, the playstyle was not nearly as fun.

talonxv · February 2014

ugly dump truck. But the ak'rif tactical carrier, enjoying that way more. For my enginnering rom going to get the dyson warbird. Adios dump trucks.

dwatt78 · February 2014

I stopped using a ha'feh as soon as my rom got a fleet mogai. Same dps potential, better looks, and with a mkxii maco set its nearly unkillable. I put an rcs in the extra eng console on the mogai and it turns better too.

warmaker001b · February 2014

Not fond of the TRIBBLE-shaped Warbirds Cryptic has been quite keen on spreading.

That said, statistically, I think the Ha'feh stands quite well among the Warbirds. Fleet version is 5 TAC Consoles and has a very powerful LtCdr Universal that can go quite well in any function. Whether you put it into use for TAC, ENG, or SCI, the remaining BOFF seatings are decent enough to not leave you with glaring weaknesses in BOFF skill coverage.

Solid, offensively sound Warbird. I just hate how it looks.

szerontzur · February 2014

It's basically a Warbird version of the Federation Patrol Escort - of course it's a solid ship.

Visually, I don't care too much for it. I can see some common elements with the T'varo/T'liss and Reman-designed Scimitar, but I prefer my warbirds to have narrow 'necks' and broad, sweeping wings. More power to those who like the look of it though.

shinzonisback · February 2014

warmaker001b wrote: »

Not fond of the TRIBBLE-shaped Warbirds Cryptic has been quite keen on spreading.

That said, statistically, I think the Ha'feh stands quite well among the Warbirds. Fleet version is 5 TAC Consoles and has a very powerful LtCdr Universal that can go quite well in any function. Whether you put it into use for TAC, ENG, or SCI, the remaining BOFF seatings are decent enough to not leave you with glaring weaknesses in BOFF skill coverage.

Solid, offensively sound Warbird. I just hate how it looks.

Well, I'm not sure you know, but with Haakona parts, the Ha'Feh is (for me) the most beautiful ROM ship (watch my signature).

I got a fleet Ha'Feh, this is my build:
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=besthafeh_0

DOffs:
2 - Purple Conn Officers
3 - Purple Projectile Weapons Officers
1 - Green Damage Control Engineer

BOffs:
4 - Superior Romulan Operatives
1 - Superior Reman Infiltrator

I'm looking forward to get the Helmsman Trait and a Purple Damage Control Engineer (AtSIF version) from the exchange.

This ship is one of the best ROM ships, but its really underrated cause its a free ship o_O

ursusmorologus · February 2014

People dont like the huge model. 3D game on a 2D screen means the depth-of-field is in your imagination, so when you make a ship that turns like small escort but is big like a battleship, it is hard to control. You fly past the target, you turn too fast for the target, etc.

They are very pretty. Seems like the artists had a good time, too bad about the game play.

sunfrancks · February 2014

I would fly the ship more if I didn't have to buy a ship I don't want, just to make it look better.

Ha'Feh Warbird - Am I the only one ?

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