As I said, I don't care, be happy to have the consoles early. And yes, I know it is mathematically impossible, was the same with the mine t3 cores.
"I don't care" doesn't count as addressing an issue. Except in politics.
And hardly anyone is complaining about the practice of charging for access. Unless you think Lake is? It's hard to tell what Lake is yammering on about.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
As I told you both before, I know its mathematically impossible, i just don't see what the problem is. However they did it it just means we can have access to the consoles early, I don't have any problem with this.
As I also already said I was reply to what this thread had has evolved into, a ***** fest of people demanding free access and complaining about people selling access, how many more posts shall we go back and forth?
As I told you before generalmoco, I know its mathematically impossible, i just don't see what the problem is.
You don't think people cheating is a problem? Okay then.
As I also already said I was reply to what this thread had has evolved into, a ***** fest of people demanding free access and complaining about people selling access, how many more posts shall we go back and forth?
Actually, at this point the person complaining the most about it is now you. Why are you trying to change the debate?
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
As I told you both before, I know its mathematically impossible, i just don't see what the problem is. However they did it it just means we can have access to the consoles early, I don't have any problem with this.
As I also already said I was reply to what this thread had has evolved into, a ***** fest of people demanding free access and complaining about people selling access, how many more posts shall we go back and forth?
No one demanded free access. In fact, no one demanded access at all, paid or otherwise.
Actually that photo you linked, is photoshoped... Look closely into the Tactical Section of the consoles.. See how the image of the Locator is over the "Tactical Console" name/title wachamacall it.. A normal non photoshoped gateway wont do that... It will arrange or crop the image so it does not block the title... what this person did.. was take an image of a ship which already has the Tier 3 Stuff, here this, "From the TRIBBLE" and just copy and pasted into the Holodeck gateway... Simple as that..
Sorry, but I just pulled up my Reman's Scimitar (5 tac consoles) on gateway, and the 5th console does overlap the "TACTICAL CONSOLES" legend, just like in the linked photo.
Obviously the image is photoshopped, since the user name is scribbled out, but the overlap doesn't prove the image has been meaningfully altered.
Sorry, but I just pulled up my Reman's Scimitar (5 tac consoles) on gateway, and the 5th console does overlap the "TACTICAL CONSOLES" legend, just like in the linked photo.
Obviously the image is photoshopped, since the user name is scribbled out, but the overlap doesn't prove the image has been meaningfully altered.
yes I scribbled out the username of the player's gateway due to TOS reasons and such but I did not alter the picture in any other way. We all know the consoles are on holodeck. We are not debating that fact.
looking at the gateway screenshot, my curiosity is now piqued.
Who might name their ship Tekel? Are they Turkish, and have named it after the
cigarette/alcohol monopoly there? Perhaps they are using a part of the Bible verse where the writing was on the wall? "Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin."
looking at the gateway screenshot, my curiosity is now piqued.
Who might name their ship Tekel? Are they Turkish, and have named it after the
cigarette/alcohol monopoly there? Perhaps they are using a part of the Bible verse where the writing was on the wall? "Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin."
fascinating.
Oh yes, Merry Christmas.
Or it could be just a randomly generated name that the game has.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I can track the generation of 59,500 XP, aka enough to reach T3 of the research track, to 39.5 days using nothing but the 1200+500=1700 projects...
To give an idea of how this pans out:
Day 4.166667, 8500 XP earned in 5 batches. Start the 5 day T1 upgrade, complete batch 6. However, due to inability to earn any more of the given track's XP till the completion of the upgrade, you'll be "frozen" at batch 6's XP total till day 9.166667, when the upgrade completes. Begin accumulating again. Batch 7 completes exactly at the 10 day mark, continue accumulations again till batch 16 (27,200 and T2 ready), on the 17.5 day mark. Batch 17, prequeued, would be "frozen" at this point until the 7 day T2 upgrade completes at the 24.5 day mark, accumulations begin again until 59,500 point on day 39.5... Then start the 10 day timer for the research to complete, meaning that the unlocks should not be available till day 49.5 at the earliest...
This math assumes absolutely no downtime, and the actual act of filling takes all of zero seconds... I also did not play with provisions at all to this point...
For the record, I did play with provisioning during the T2 upgrade. One can run 8 20 hour projects in a 6 2/3 day span (did not want to overlap into the max speed upgrades). However, since one of those 8 slots would be the overlap batch, that would leave 7x200 provision projects. Said fleet would not hit 59,500 on day 38 2/3, however, it would have 60,900 XP (+1400) on day 39 1/2.
Being that it shouldn't take 12 hours to fill all those sliders, I could see fleets being "on the clock" waiting for T3 to complete on this 40th day...
However, we are overlooking a critical thought process in all this. Given Cryptic's track record, are we 100% certain that the unlock occurs upon completion, or could it be "featured" to grant the unlock upon activation of upgrade project, which is entirely feasible at this point?
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
It is amazing how blind people can be to so many things. When you do the math on the projects, there is no other answer. Math is logical and precise and a fact. People cheat to get ahead, that is a fact of certain people. While I realize some people will ban you from the game for speaking up against an injustice and not do a thing about flat out cheating...I will minimize how I really feel about the politics of this game. I don't believe it is right for game developers to interact with gamers to the point of being on a first name basis with 16 year old boys. I don't believe that coding should be given to gamers to help them cheat and I believe that people that cheat should be banned from the game. It is wrong. People go to jail for this. It is stealing and that is against the law. Quit being so blind and sticking up for the developers of this game...look at the facts!
When you look at the math and it's easy to see the math as basic math does not lie and think about it logically it is more than obvious one of 2 things have happened. The fleet's in question have TRIBBLE and cheated that way or alternatively (and i believe more likely) the devs and certain people are that pally with players that they are handing out unlocks or reducing cool down times in some way shape or form. This game has a major problem and has done for a while now and that is favouritism between certain devs and fleets and players. This should not be allowed and these devs should be disciplined.
Not only that if cryptic/ perfect world don't do something about this then obviously people will start complaining to CBS and i am very sure THEY will do something about this.
Its interesting how the Devs give certain Fleets "privileges" and then dictate to the people who give money to the game. People voted for more voyager content quiet a few months ago yet we got a dyson sphere, where did that come from?? no one asked for it. People want more flexibilty with their ships, nothing has been done about it, people want higher rankings (level 50 increased to 60) there has been numerous oportunitys to do that, never happened. The fact this is happening shows that this company does not care. Additionaly if they let this continue then it will send a message to other people that this is acceptable and other people would follow. This would then create a massive problem for the game and for the people who follow and respect the rules.
So in short the cheating should be stopped, the people disciplined, the devs who allow this to happen should be punished and the company should start listening to the players and THEN work out how to make money. I dont mind the company making a profit, but i do mind people taking advatage, nothing been done about and basically been told to tolerate it .
Enough is enough.
Because this point is repeated so often, I want to ask: are the suspicions of external help based on previous events in STO? (anecdotes or records of events from other games aren't really proof that this is what has happend here)
Had the decision been made to provision for the consoles, I would have been able to have gotten exploiters for around two weeks now. Exploiters are only good for Romulans anyway, since they already have stacking critical chance (kind of like how [crtd]x3 weapons are good for Romulans). The majority of our members want locators, so we'll provision then. Our min-maxers/pvp'ers, wanted the active doff slot more than anything else. Perhaps these "cheat" fleets got the doff slot and exploiters, strapped on to Roms, that would equal some majorly beefed up spike damage.
Some people do some extra damage and people cry TRIBBLE!!??!?!?! Bleh, gamers never change.
This wouldn't be the first time game insiders took advantage of processes or personnel to give a fleet an advantage over another, or allow reported cheating to continue.
Eve-online had its day with game devs and GMs playing the game, and giving advantages to their respective in game fleets.
If that is occurring here, the game community can take care of it, by documenting the occurrence, complaining, and retaining documents if the game company takes any actions against the players that complain, ie. retaliate. Exposing the under handed practice to game community websites, will cause so much bad press for the company, that they will have take corrective action.
I'm not sure that this occurrence rises to such a level as was in Eve-online, but the gaming community is generally distrustful of game companies where this occurs.
I am more confused by the following: Everyone knows or should know by now that the target is the Over Powered consoles from the Spire, that put previous Reputation sets to shame.
Why hasn't PW made these items available as Zen only items? The income generated from the sale of win button consoles would surely cause rage for PvPers, but since the game offers nothing for PvP wins, and no cost to PvP losses - who cares and what would it matter?
PW would simply make some more income, that we hope would be plowed into the game to make it better, provide more content, etc.
I agree there is a fishy issue here, but PW should turn the lemons into lemonade and make the consoles very hard to get, Zen only, subscriber only, etc.
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Because this point is repeated so often, I want to ask: are the suspicions of external help based on previous events in STO?
Yes. Namely, that such a thing has never been detected before, which means whoever is doing it has hidden it very carefully up to this point. The fact that we haven't seen it yet indicates that we're dealing with some very slick and subtle operators and must thus increase our vigilance.
In this case, however, a satisfactory explanation that does not involve external malfeasance has been found and been passed along to the appropriate parties. Since discussion of such things on the forum is forbidden, I personally consider this investigation closed.
Had the decision been made to provision for the consoles, I would have been able to have gotten exploiters for around two weeks now. Exploiters are only good for Romulans anyway, since they already have stacking critical chance (kind of like how [crtd]x3 weapons are good for Romulans). The majority of our members want locators, so we'll provision then. Our min-maxers/pvp'ers, wanted the active doff slot more than anything else. Perhaps these "cheat" fleets got the doff slot and exploiters, strapped on to Roms, that would equal some majorly beefed up spike damage.
Some people do some extra damage and people cry TRIBBLE!!??!?!?! Bleh, gamers never change.
Perhaps you should read more of the post than skimming.
The fleet in question has been offering access, and providing, Locator consoles. People have been posting that it is not on Tribble, but on Holodeck. There have also been posts that based on the minimum time to complete projects to acquire the Locator consoles has yet to pass; even with being Johnny-on-the-spot and filling the projects as they become available. The only conclusion is that the fleet in question has either been exploiting a bug or has received some assistance from a Dev in regards to project completion time.
While I do not know who is involved or how it was done, I have been following the topic.
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
Quick question, does the spire have that project with the only fill requirement being [fleet holding] provisions that goes in the special projects slot, runs for an hour and grants a pittance of XP to both sub-tracks?
Because I haven't seen anybody account for it in their maths yet.
Quick question, does the spire have that project with the only fill requirement being [fleet holding] provisions that goes in the special projects slot, runs for an hour and grants a pittance of XP to both sub-tracks?
Because I haven't seen anybody account for it in their maths yet.
If memory serves, no it doesn't. Probably because so few people ever actually ran those on the Dil mine and Embassy.
Still say they should've just given us normal, but unique, special projects for other areas.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
You people are just making trouble.. it is VERY possible to have a completed tier3 research or tier3 operations, but not both, and NO ONE has both yet... and it is very possible on the trading channel that fleets are offering access to a completed tier3 sub section (which they are).
Once again.. those who can't think for themselves are making trouble for everyone else by believing there is cheating, hacking, exploiting going on. Will you please try to think outside your little boxes for once?
P.S. do the math on how long it takes to complete research or operations solely without spending time and resources in both. I bet you'll calculate that the elapsed time since Season 8 was released is definitely enough time to complete an entire subsection.
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You people are just making trouble.. it is VERY possible to have a completed tier3 research or tier3 operations, but not both, and NO ONE has both yet... and it is very possible on the trading channel that fleets are offering access to a completed tier3 sub section (which they are).
Once again.. those who can't think for themselves are making trouble for everyone else by believing there is cheating, hacking, exploiting going on. Will you please try to think outside your little boxes for once?
P.S. do the math on how long it takes to complete research or operations solely without spending time and resources in both. I bet you'll calculate that the elapsed time since Season 8 was released is definitely enough time to complete an entire subsection.
You haven't read much of this thread, have you? Nobody suggested that it was possible to have completed both tracks yet, nor is anyone claiming that it has been done.
Multiple people have done the maths for only one track and they all come back with the similar answers of around 50 days, which has not yet passed since season 8 was released. If you have come to a different conclusion and others have missed something, then by all means, post your working
You people are just making trouble.. it is VERY possible to have a completed tier3 research or tier3 operations, but not both, and NO ONE has both yet... and it is very possible on the trading channel that fleets are offering access to a completed tier3 sub section (which they are).
Once again.. those who can't think for themselves are making trouble for everyone else by believing there is cheating, hacking, exploiting going on. Will you please try to think outside your little boxes for once?
P.S. do the math on how long it takes to complete research or operations solely without spending time and resources in both. I bet you'll calculate that the elapsed time since Season 8 was released is definitely enough time to complete an entire subsection.
As I mentioned in my post, yes, it is possible for a fleet to have the 59,500 track Xp to have access to the tier 3 project. If my Maths serve me, it could have been as early as this past Sunday night, 39.5 days since the release of season 8.
However, the goods being questioned are (supposedly) locked behind successful completion of said tier 3 upgrade, which, being a 10 day project, cannot be "legally" completed until day 49.5 at the absolute earliest, and as I type this the spire holding is only 41 days old. Therefore, the question we ponder is not did the questioned fleet meet the "rush" goal of 59,500 in 40 days, but how they have access to materials that are supposed to be locked up for at least 49.5 days because of a 10 day project completion timer...
Now, I postulate that given the track record in these parts, the T3 store unlocks triggered upon filling of the T3 project, not forcing a wait till the 10 days till full, proper completion is met. Proper activity would be to bug report said issue and announce no purchases allowed, if this is truly the case. It becomes an exploit if anyone purchases the goods before their "calculated / announced" time. And, we have charged invites in trade/zone channels saying this is not the case (bug report and closure), which propels us to exploit-dom which is cheating hence the title of this thread and attached emotions...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Now, I postulate that given the track record in these parts, the T3 store unlocks triggered upon filling of the T3 project, not forcing a wait till the 10 days till full, proper completion is met.
No, this is not the exploit. My fleet has the T3 Research project filled and counting down, but the items are still locked.
Whatever the exploit is, it's something else.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
Hey Guys/Gals,this is Braindrain:). Im kinda disturbed how TTC got into the middle of this.The channel was made for traders,bartering,selling,ect.This whole thread got out of context somewhere along the line,lol.I personally welcome any sellers who sell access,ect.It is not my concern who wins a race,or who doesn't.I understand many ppl might be mad at others for achieving a goal way too fast when others grind like hell for it(I'm one of them,but not mad).
Each channel was made for a purpose,and a sole purpose.I'ts sad that TTC had to be made private again because I met so many great ppl on there,and yet other channels were coming in and bashing ppl...this isn't right.
I wouldn't go into NOP and start an issue there,thats not me.Those of you who know me,i try like hell to make everyone happy.I'm truly sorry to anyone who misunderstands,or doesn't understand how business is conducted in ttc,no ripoffs are allowed,period.
.It is not my concern who wins a race,or who doesn't.I understand many ppl might be mad at others for achieving a goal way too fast when others grind like hell for it(I'm one of them,but not mad).
I'm truly sorry to anyone who misunderstands,or doesn't understand how business is conducted in ttc,no ripoffs are allowed,period.
A fleet is selling access to Spire T3 Research in TheTradingChannel. The fleet obtained this level via an exploit. It has been demonstrated in the forums and in-game that reaching T3 by 22 December was mathematically impossible. It was and has never been a question about a race or people being mad because person a, b, c or d finished said race first. The issue is that an exploit was used for this purpose. So, a fleet selling access to a Spire T3 Research for tactical consoles, which was obtained through an exploit, is not a rip off or is not exploiting players in TTC or profiteering? TTC is giving this fleet the means by which to rip off, plain and simple. It's like attempting to sell stolen goods on Ebay.
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"I don't care" doesn't count as addressing an issue. Except in politics.
And hardly anyone is complaining about the practice of charging for access. Unless you think Lake is? It's hard to tell what Lake is yammering on about.
As I also already said I was reply to what this thread had has evolved into, a ***** fest of people demanding free access and complaining about people selling access, how many more posts shall we go back and forth?
You don't think people cheating is a problem? Okay then.
Actually, at this point the person complaining the most about it is now you. Why are you trying to change the debate?
I know right!!!
I also like how "No one read my explanation" as to this is Possible
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=14191001&postcount=56
No one demanded free access. In fact, no one demanded access at all, paid or otherwise.
No one is trying to change the debate... We are just simply showing that you missed the point of the thread and that is all... Good Day to you sir!!!!
And Thus!!!!! This becomes a typical STO Forum Thread... And that is my Queue to beam out!!!!
PSSST: Also don't forget to support my Idea of "increase the amount of Fleet Ranks from 7 to 10 pr 12"
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=726041
Sorry, but I just pulled up my Reman's Scimitar (5 tac consoles) on gateway, and the 5th console does overlap the "TACTICAL CONSOLES" legend, just like in the linked photo.
Obviously the image is photoshopped, since the user name is scribbled out, but the overlap doesn't prove the image has been meaningfully altered.
yes I scribbled out the username of the player's gateway due to TOS reasons and such but I did not alter the picture in any other way. We all know the consoles are on holodeck. We are not debating that fact.
Who might name their ship Tekel? Are they Turkish, and have named it after the
cigarette/alcohol monopoly there? Perhaps they are using a part of the Bible verse where the writing was on the wall? "Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin."
fascinating.
Oh yes, Merry Christmas.
Or it could be just a randomly generated name that the game has.
I can track the generation of 59,500 XP, aka enough to reach T3 of the research track, to 39.5 days using nothing but the 1200+500=1700 projects...
To give an idea of how this pans out:
Day 4.166667, 8500 XP earned in 5 batches. Start the 5 day T1 upgrade, complete batch 6. However, due to inability to earn any more of the given track's XP till the completion of the upgrade, you'll be "frozen" at batch 6's XP total till day 9.166667, when the upgrade completes. Begin accumulating again. Batch 7 completes exactly at the 10 day mark, continue accumulations again till batch 16 (27,200 and T2 ready), on the 17.5 day mark. Batch 17, prequeued, would be "frozen" at this point until the 7 day T2 upgrade completes at the 24.5 day mark, accumulations begin again until 59,500 point on day 39.5... Then start the 10 day timer for the research to complete, meaning that the unlocks should not be available till day 49.5 at the earliest...
This math assumes absolutely no downtime, and the actual act of filling takes all of zero seconds... I also did not play with provisions at all to this point...
For the record, I did play with provisioning during the T2 upgrade. One can run 8 20 hour projects in a 6 2/3 day span (did not want to overlap into the max speed upgrades). However, since one of those 8 slots would be the overlap batch, that would leave 7x200 provision projects. Said fleet would not hit 59,500 on day 38 2/3, however, it would have 60,900 XP (+1400) on day 39 1/2.
Being that it shouldn't take 12 hours to fill all those sliders, I could see fleets being "on the clock" waiting for T3 to complete on this 40th day...
However, we are overlooking a critical thought process in all this. Given Cryptic's track record, are we 100% certain that the unlock occurs upon completion, or could it be "featured" to grant the unlock upon activation of upgrade project, which is entirely feasible at this point?
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Not only that if cryptic/ perfect world don't do something about this then obviously people will start complaining to CBS and i am very sure THEY will do something about this.
Its interesting how the Devs give certain Fleets "privileges" and then dictate to the people who give money to the game. People voted for more voyager content quiet a few months ago yet we got a dyson sphere, where did that come from?? no one asked for it. People want more flexibilty with their ships, nothing has been done about it, people want higher rankings (level 50 increased to 60) there has been numerous oportunitys to do that, never happened. The fact this is happening shows that this company does not care. Additionaly if they let this continue then it will send a message to other people that this is acceptable and other people would follow. This would then create a massive problem for the game and for the people who follow and respect the rules.
So in short the cheating should be stopped, the people disciplined, the devs who allow this to happen should be punished and the company should start listening to the players and THEN work out how to make money. I dont mind the company making a profit, but i do mind people taking advatage, nothing been done about and basically been told to tolerate it .
Enough is enough.
GET IT SORTED.
Some people do some extra damage and people cry TRIBBLE!!??!?!?! Bleh, gamers never change.
Eve-online had its day with game devs and GMs playing the game, and giving advantages to their respective in game fleets.
If that is occurring here, the game community can take care of it, by documenting the occurrence, complaining, and retaining documents if the game company takes any actions against the players that complain, ie. retaliate. Exposing the under handed practice to game community websites, will cause so much bad press for the company, that they will have take corrective action.
I'm not sure that this occurrence rises to such a level as was in Eve-online, but the gaming community is generally distrustful of game companies where this occurs.
I am more confused by the following: Everyone knows or should know by now that the target is the Over Powered consoles from the Spire, that put previous Reputation sets to shame.
Why hasn't PW made these items available as Zen only items? The income generated from the sale of win button consoles would surely cause rage for PvPers, but since the game offers nothing for PvP wins, and no cost to PvP losses - who cares and what would it matter?
PW would simply make some more income, that we hope would be plowed into the game to make it better, provide more content, etc.
I agree there is a fishy issue here, but PW should turn the lemons into lemonade and make the consoles very hard to get, Zen only, subscriber only, etc.
Regards,
What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite. Bertrand Russell
In this case, however, a satisfactory explanation that does not involve external malfeasance has been found and been passed along to the appropriate parties. Since discussion of such things on the forum is forbidden, I personally consider this investigation closed.
Perhaps you should read more of the post than skimming.
The fleet in question has been offering access, and providing, Locator consoles. People have been posting that it is not on Tribble, but on Holodeck. There have also been posts that based on the minimum time to complete projects to acquire the Locator consoles has yet to pass; even with being Johnny-on-the-spot and filling the projects as they become available. The only conclusion is that the fleet in question has either been exploiting a bug or has received some assistance from a Dev in regards to project completion time.
While I do not know who is involved or how it was done, I have been following the topic.
Because I haven't seen anybody account for it in their maths yet.
If memory serves, no it doesn't. Probably because so few people ever actually ran those on the Dil mine and Embassy.
Still say they should've just given us normal, but unique, special projects for other areas.
Once again.. those who can't think for themselves are making trouble for everyone else by believing there is cheating, hacking, exploiting going on. Will you please try to think outside your little boxes for once?
P.S. do the math on how long it takes to complete research or operations solely without spending time and resources in both. I bet you'll calculate that the elapsed time since Season 8 was released is definitely enough time to complete an entire subsection.
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You haven't read much of this thread, have you? Nobody suggested that it was possible to have completed both tracks yet, nor is anyone claiming that it has been done.
Multiple people have done the maths for only one track and they all come back with the similar answers of around 50 days, which has not yet passed since season 8 was released. If you have come to a different conclusion and others have missed something, then by all means, post your working
As I mentioned in my post, yes, it is possible for a fleet to have the 59,500 track Xp to have access to the tier 3 project. If my Maths serve me, it could have been as early as this past Sunday night, 39.5 days since the release of season 8.
However, the goods being questioned are (supposedly) locked behind successful completion of said tier 3 upgrade, which, being a 10 day project, cannot be "legally" completed until day 49.5 at the absolute earliest, and as I type this the spire holding is only 41 days old. Therefore, the question we ponder is not did the questioned fleet meet the "rush" goal of 59,500 in 40 days, but how they have access to materials that are supposed to be locked up for at least 49.5 days because of a 10 day project completion timer...
Now, I postulate that given the track record in these parts, the T3 store unlocks triggered upon filling of the T3 project, not forcing a wait till the 10 days till full, proper completion is met. Proper activity would be to bug report said issue and announce no purchases allowed, if this is truly the case. It becomes an exploit if anyone purchases the goods before their "calculated / announced" time. And, we have charged invites in trade/zone channels saying this is not the case (bug report and closure), which propels us to exploit-dom which is cheating hence the title of this thread and attached emotions...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
No, this is not the exploit. My fleet has the T3 Research project filled and counting down, but the items are still locked.
Whatever the exploit is, it's something else.
Yours is counting down that fleet in question has had there tier 3 research on Dec 22-2013. that is 100% impossible
Each channel was made for a purpose,and a sole purpose.I'ts sad that TTC had to be made private again because I met so many great ppl on there,and yet other channels were coming in and bashing ppl...this isn't right.
I wouldn't go into NOP and start an issue there,thats not me.Those of you who know me,i try like hell to make everyone happy.I'm truly sorry to anyone who misunderstands,or doesn't understand how business is conducted in ttc,no ripoffs are allowed,period.
A fleet is selling access to Spire T3 Research in TheTradingChannel. The fleet obtained this level via an exploit. It has been demonstrated in the forums and in-game that reaching T3 by 22 December was mathematically impossible. It was and has never been a question about a race or people being mad because person a, b, c or d finished said race first. The issue is that an exploit was used for this purpose. So, a fleet selling access to a Spire T3 Research for tactical consoles, which was obtained through an exploit, is not a rip off or is not exploiting players in TTC or profiteering? TTC is giving this fleet the means by which to rip off, plain and simple. It's like attempting to sell stolen goods on Ebay.