I heard from a guy who heard from a guy who posted in here. Or was it his cousin? I get so confused.
First and foremost, please, do not blame the original poster. His opinion is misinformed, but he also has a right to feel the way he does. He's probably not used to being told no. A lot of folks these days aren't. Ours is a culture of instant gratification.
For anyone wanting to make use of our facilities to make high end purchases, you're wasting your time. We're not a T5 base. Your best bet it to use the Public Service channel. If they are still open? I haven't used the service myself.
No, Sb381 caters to role players. As for the epidemic of Erotic Role Play being seen throughout the game.... I've never once seen it. I've tried role playing on Drozona, Deep Space Nine, and Earth Space Dock. I've been in the game since launch and never seen it. I have however, gotten plenty of fire extinguishers blown in my face while trying to negotiate a backroom deal for illegal weapons.
People who conduct ERP in public should be reported to the Developers.
Praetorian was opened up because of a distinct lack of a safe role play locations away from ERPers and Fire Extinguishers. It's sad, really, when people can't role play in iconic locations like Deep Space Nine, or the seedy backwater bar like Drozona, because they're afraid of being harassed for wanting to tell a story.
The fact is, griefers, ERPers or people who attempt to ruin the setting that we're trying to build will be asked to change their behavior or be removed from the scenerio. I did this to help the community and offer an alternative to the status quo. The problem however is that it's turning into a second job, with having to explain the obvious to the oblivious, send the invites for three dozen or so over the course of an hour and still try to actually enjoy one's self.
Discussions are being had internally to rectify the issues that we're experiencing since the blog post.
The short of it is this- if you are not a role player, or have no interest in role playing, stay out. You have the entirety of the server to yourself without tripping over us minority figures.
It's not just an RP problem, it's an STO problem. These same players also create off-game facebook accounts for their characters, listing professions as "sex workers", so there really is no denying their in-game activities when they go to efforts to make it obvious.
Whoah. Did I just read a post from nabreeki that I agreed with? That can't be right. *reads it again* Wow, I'm stunned.
First and foremost, please, do not blame the original poster. His opinion is misinformed, but he also has a right to feel the way he does. He's probably not used to being told no. A lot of folks these days aren't. Ours is a culture of instant gratification.
No, I disagree here. The burned hand teaches best. There's no call to be mean, but you *have* to be firm. We can't pull society out of the hellhole its become by figuratively smacking hands with a ruler in a videogame. But if you can help even one person figure out their priorities and how to be a bit more decent to other human beings, then it is worth the effort.
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Personally, I think that's kinda creepy. Both the public sexting and the obvious lengths that people must have gone to finding this out. I don't think I want to know how you guys came to know so much about the off-game activities of a bunch of weird pervs, or why you bothered to find out.
But, I have spent about an hour going over this problem in my head.
Personally, I haven't been to Drozana outside of doing mission content in literally years, and I don't spend much time in other public instances, either. Nobody on my long, long friend's list ever spends any time there. New RPers are warned away from the place by vets. The last guy who brought up wanting "a female" for this sort of thing was immediately laughed off of the STORP channel and then banned. People get demoted in my fleet for bad public behavior.
If there's more that can be done, it's hampered by other factors. People don't show up on the fleet roster when they're on a non-fleet alt, and not everyone friends their entire fleet, especially in large fleets. Generally, there's have no way of knowing if this is happening, short of jumping in ourselves.
And why would anyone want to? It's not our job to police ERPers because we're not GMs. Granted, if I caught someone in my (mostly inactive) fleet was doing this, then I'd probably boot them for being creepy, but then what? They'd just find other fleets, and keep right on creeping. I'd have exhausted my options and accomplished nothing but making my fleet smaller.
I suppose the non-RPers in Drozana could try contacting people and presenting evidence, but seeing as they have a reputation for being almost as bad as the RPers (which might be undeserved, I won't judge people I haven't dealt with), then I'm not sure it'd be accepted without scrutiny. If it was, I still don't know if warnings, demotions, and kicking people would change their behavior.
So, that leaves us back where we were: at it being better for us to police our own little spaces and ignore Drozana and the like completely.
Then, you might be part of the problem without even realizing it. Take care not to make someone else as uncomfortable as you apparently are.
Personally, I think that's kinda creepy. Both the public sexting and the obvious lengths that people must have gone to finding this out. I don't think I want to know how you guys came to know so much about the off-game activities of a bunch of weird pervs, or why you bothered to find out.
But, I have spent about an hour going over this problem in my head.
Personally, I haven't been to Drozana outside of doing mission content in literally years, and I don't spend much time in other public instances, either. Nobody on my long, long friend's list ever spends any time there. New RPers are warned away from the place by vets. The last guy who brought up wanting "a female" for this sort of thing was immediately laughed off of the STORP channel and then banned. People get demoted in my fleet for bad public behavior.
If there's more that can be done, it's hampered by other factors. People don't show up on the fleet roster when they're on a non-fleet alt, and not everyone friends their entire fleet, especially in large fleets. Generally, there's have no way of knowing if this is happening, short of jumping in ourselves.
And why would anyone want to? It's not our job to police ERPers because we're not GMs. Granted, if I caught someone in my (mostly inactive) fleet was doing this, then I'd probably boot them for being creepy, but then what? They'd just find other fleets, and keep right on creeping. I'd have exhausted my options and accomplished nothing but making my fleet smaller.
I suppose the non-RPers in Drozana could try contacting people and presenting evidence, but seeing as they have a reputation for being almost as bad as the RPers (which might be undeserved, I won't judge people I haven't dealt with), then I'm not sure it'd be accepted without scrutiny. If it was, I still don't know if warnings, demotions, and kicking people would change their behavior.
So, that leaves us back where we were: at it being better for us to police our own little spaces and ignore Drozana and the like completely.
Don't worry. I only hit on people I know
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Thank you for jumping to needless conclusions and voicing them here. As I said, these aren't "off-game" activities, but advertisements for in-game activities that happen to be offline. I say advertisements because this information is spread through zone, local chat, and in rude comments posted on SFD youtube videos.
Sorry if that was rude. From an outsider perspective, that just struck me as weird, like someone was playing Internet Detective. It never really occurred to me that they might just be making that information available themselves.
I don't really have any reason to disbelieve you, but it seems to me like you'd have to be a bit bats*** crazy to give your facebook address to the very people who're running an organized campaign to TRIBBLE with you. Maybe I'm just not up on the logic of people who cyber in public and feed the trolls.
Like I said, I don't really have anything against Dental, and if the worst you're guilty of is setting off a few fire extinguishers then you're a lot classier than some of people I've seen troll RPers. There are plenty that are just as bad as the ERPers.
Edit: In addition: I'm all for reporting and letting the GMs work their magic, but that "magic" rarely ever happens. There are people on Drozana (and other zones) regularly spouting off terrible racist statements (repeatedly, for hours), admitting to using third-party nude mods (among others), and engaging in open ERP, but, after so many times sending reports, there seems to be little action taken, if any. Perhaps a warning.
If I had to guess from the stories I've heard, just about everyone who frequents Drozana has probably had a complaint filed about them at some point. That's part of the reason why I just warn people away from the place; it'll probably be trouble for everyone involved if Cryptic does ever does decide to do something.
All I can say is that I showed up and the first thing I was told was to remove my MACO gear. No thanks. Told them to TRIBBLE off and have a great night. No thanks, and good luck to them.
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All I can say is that I showed up and the first thing I was told was to remove my MACO gear. No thanks. Told them to TRIBBLE off and have a great night. No thanks, and good luck to them.
Join any channel, break it's rules, get booted. It's not rude of them to enforce the rules they laid down. It's rude of YOU, actually, to join THEIR channel, blatantly disregard THEIR rules, and then complain when they mete out consequences.
I'm not a role-player or an anti-role-player. I have no horse in this race, but runtimeerrorboy, how are you not seeing that you are in the wrong here? You went on a private channel and then violated the rules of said channel. It's clearly stated that it is for the purpose of role playing and if you are not gonna do that, or worse disrupt it, then they are right to remove you.
This thread has gone on far too long. It really should be closed.
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All I can say is that I showed up and the first thing I was told was to remove my MACO gear. No thanks. Told them to TRIBBLE off and have a great night. No thanks, and good luck to them.
You're the second person here to mention that. Anyone know what they have against the armor sets?
You're the second person here to mention that. Anyone know what they have against the armor sets?
This question has two answers. The Out of Character answer, and the In-Character answer.
The OOC answer:We're trying to keep up a certain atmosphere on the base, for everyone involved. When was the last time you saw someone in armor on Deep Space Nine's promenade? On television, I mean.
The IC answer: Weapons and armor are not permitted on the promenade due to safety and security concerns. Station regulations require that only station security staff carry hand phasers. Even non-Security staff aboard the base do not carry a side arm outside of times of expected conflict.
I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction
If it wasn't obvious before then I have you all to thank for proving my point that Role Players are not respecting Non-Role players.
Respect is a funny word. It has multiple definitions. So lets explore those for a moment, so we're all on the same page.
* a feeling of admiring someone or something that is good, valuable, important, etc.
I don't know you, your belief system, or your morals. So, no I don't respect you in that sense.
* a particular way of thinking about or looking at something
I don't think this one applies to our current discussion.
* a feeling or understanding that someone or something is important, serious, etc., and should be treated in an appropriate way.
I think you mean this one. Let me correct you then, since you're obviously mistaken. I treat all people fairly regardless of their skin color, religion, sexual orientation and or political affiliation. I hold everyone to the same standard of behavior. Whether you're a role player or not, if you come onto my Starbase and begin to disrupt the settings we're building for the benefit of other people, or to harass my guests with your fire extinguishers or dancing disco balls, you will be removed. Period.
Respect does not entail allowing you to run around like a rat hopped up on sugar while other people are trying to concentrate and focus on conversations. You can feel free to do that in the public maps.
You were invited to someone's house. Not charged a dime. A house that a bunch of the members have paid for with hard work. Now with all of that you don't want to follow the rules? Or don't like how they run there house in some way so you are now mad and posting about it? They are not talking to you so your mad? Or not inviting you?
The OP no offence is whats wrong with people in general in the USA and all over the world. "self entitlement"
I visited. I even made a uniform to match. It was neat but I am not a RP person. But still neat to hang around. My fleets huge and masked out on the bases. But we don't really hang around on the bases. It is neat to see so many on a starbase. or embassy. I have gone there to just walk around and wait or just Q for something. Just a nice place.
Its nice that they choose to open the fleets house to all.
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First and foremost, please, do not blame the original poster. His opinion is misinformed, but he also has a right to feel the way he does. He's probably not used to being told no. A lot of folks these days aren't. Ours is a culture of instant gratification.
For anyone wanting to make use of our facilities to make high end purchases, you're wasting your time. We're not a T5 base. Your best bet it to use the Public Service channel. If they are still open? I haven't used the service myself.
No, Sb381 caters to role players. As for the epidemic of Erotic Role Play being seen throughout the game.... I've never once seen it. I've tried role playing on Drozona, Deep Space Nine, and Earth Space Dock. I've been in the game since launch and never seen it. I have however, gotten plenty of fire extinguishers blown in my face while trying to negotiate a backroom deal for illegal weapons.
People who conduct ERP in public should be reported to the Developers.
Praetorian was opened up because of a distinct lack of a safe role play locations away from ERPers and Fire Extinguishers. It's sad, really, when people can't role play in iconic locations like Deep Space Nine, or the seedy backwater bar like Drozona, because they're afraid of being harassed for wanting to tell a story.
The fact is, griefers, ERPers or people who attempt to ruin the setting that we're trying to build will be asked to change their behavior or be removed from the scenerio. I did this to help the community and offer an alternative to the status quo. The problem however is that it's turning into a second job, with having to explain the obvious to the oblivious, send the invites for three dozen or so over the course of an hour and still try to actually enjoy one's self.
Discussions are being had internally to rectify the issues that we're experiencing since the blog post.
The short of it is this- if you are not a role player, or have no interest in role playing, stay out. You have the entirety of the server to yourself without tripping over us minority figures.
No, I disagree here. The burned hand teaches best. There's no call to be mean, but you *have* to be firm. We can't pull society out of the hellhole its become by figuratively smacking hands with a ruler in a videogame. But if you can help even one person figure out their priorities and how to be a bit more decent to other human beings, then it is worth the effort.
--Red Annorax
Then, you might be part of the problem without even realizing it. Take care not to make someone else as uncomfortable as you apparently are.
Personally, I think that's kinda creepy. Both the public sexting and the obvious lengths that people must have gone to finding this out. I don't think I want to know how you guys came to know so much about the off-game activities of a bunch of weird pervs, or why you bothered to find out.
But, I have spent about an hour going over this problem in my head.
Personally, I haven't been to Drozana outside of doing mission content in literally years, and I don't spend much time in other public instances, either. Nobody on my long, long friend's list ever spends any time there. New RPers are warned away from the place by vets. The last guy who brought up wanting "a female" for this sort of thing was immediately laughed off of the STORP channel and then banned. People get demoted in my fleet for bad public behavior.
If there's more that can be done, it's hampered by other factors. People don't show up on the fleet roster when they're on a non-fleet alt, and not everyone friends their entire fleet, especially in large fleets. Generally, there's have no way of knowing if this is happening, short of jumping in ourselves.
And why would anyone want to? It's not our job to police ERPers because we're not GMs. Granted, if I caught someone in my (mostly inactive) fleet was doing this, then I'd probably boot them for being creepy, but then what? They'd just find other fleets, and keep right on creeping. I'd have exhausted my options and accomplished nothing but making my fleet smaller.
I suppose the non-RPers in Drozana could try contacting people and presenting evidence, but seeing as they have a reputation for being almost as bad as the RPers (which might be undeserved, I won't judge people I haven't dealt with), then I'm not sure it'd be accepted without scrutiny. If it was, I still don't know if warnings, demotions, and kicking people would change their behavior.
So, that leaves us back where we were: at it being better for us to police our own little spaces and ignore Drozana and the like completely.
Don't worry. I only hit on people I know
CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
Sorry if that was rude. From an outsider perspective, that just struck me as weird, like someone was playing Internet Detective. It never really occurred to me that they might just be making that information available themselves.
I don't really have any reason to disbelieve you, but it seems to me like you'd have to be a bit bats*** crazy to give your facebook address to the very people who're running an organized campaign to TRIBBLE with you. Maybe I'm just not up on the logic of people who cyber in public and feed the trolls.
Like I said, I don't really have anything against Dental, and if the worst you're guilty of is setting off a few fire extinguishers then you're a lot classier than some of people I've seen troll RPers. There are plenty that are just as bad as the ERPers.
If I had to guess from the stories I've heard, just about everyone who frequents Drozana has probably had a complaint filed about them at some point. That's part of the reason why I just warn people away from the place; it'll probably be trouble for everyone involved if Cryptic does ever does decide to do something.
It is well within a Fleet's perogative to bar people from their starbase. If they choose to be RP only good for them.
This thread is all troll. And nothing but Troll.
Seriously get over it. you don't like their rules play in a different place.
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Wow... Ridiculous...
This thread has gone on far too long. It really should be closed.
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You're the second person here to mention that. Anyone know what they have against the armor sets?
This question has two answers. The Out of Character answer, and the In-Character answer.
The OOC answer:We're trying to keep up a certain atmosphere on the base, for everyone involved. When was the last time you saw someone in armor on Deep Space Nine's promenade? On television, I mean.
The IC answer: Weapons and armor are not permitted on the promenade due to safety and security concerns. Station regulations require that only station security staff carry hand phasers. Even non-Security staff aboard the base do not carry a side arm outside of times of expected conflict.
I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction
Yes, how dare they not respect the right of a griefer troll to encroach upon their facilities.
Respect is a funny word. It has multiple definitions. So lets explore those for a moment, so we're all on the same page.
* a feeling of admiring someone or something that is good, valuable, important, etc.
I don't know you, your belief system, or your morals. So, no I don't respect you in that sense.
* a particular way of thinking about or looking at something
I don't think this one applies to our current discussion.
* a feeling or understanding that someone or something is important, serious, etc., and should be treated in an appropriate way.
I think you mean this one. Let me correct you then, since you're obviously mistaken. I treat all people fairly regardless of their skin color, religion, sexual orientation and or political affiliation. I hold everyone to the same standard of behavior. Whether you're a role player or not, if you come onto my Starbase and begin to disrupt the settings we're building for the benefit of other people, or to harass my guests with your fire extinguishers or dancing disco balls, you will be removed. Period.
Respect does not entail allowing you to run around like a rat hopped up on sugar while other people are trying to concentrate and focus on conversations. You can feel free to do that in the public maps.
I hope this clears up any lingering confusion.
You were invited to someone's house. Not charged a dime. A house that a bunch of the members have paid for with hard work. Now with all of that you don't want to follow the rules? Or don't like how they run there house in some way so you are now mad and posting about it? They are not talking to you so your mad? Or not inviting you?
The OP no offence is whats wrong with people in general in the USA and all over the world. "self entitlement"
I visited. I even made a uniform to match. It was neat but I am not a RP person. But still neat to hang around. My fleets huge and masked out on the bases. But we don't really hang around on the bases. It is neat to see so many on a starbase. or embassy. I have gone there to just walk around and wait or just Q for something. Just a nice place.
Its nice that they choose to open the fleets house to all.