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milanvorius
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Brandon stated in twitter that rep could never be account wide because then characters would not be earning rep. It is a character achievement and part of me gets it, even likes the concept. Its just the reality is we are forced into a blitz on rep in order to maintain our toons for pvp.
So even with a boost to alt rep we are still looking at keeping rep up on all toons that we fight with ingame. So it begs the question does the rep system traits need to count toward pvp? How would people in the pvp community feel about rep if the traits didn't matter except pve and therefore there would be no advantage for completing it other than access to stores?
There are two reasons this is on my mind, first i like variability in pvp with Tac, Eng, and Sci captain. I would like to bring a romulan in once in a while and I had abandoned my kdf toons too. (I bet that the rep system hurts the kdf faction too since many prioritize Feds first) Rep prevents me from having a variety for pvp matches, instead its just my Eng and Sci. Second rep requirements are going to seriously limit new players coming into pvp. Imagine how a person logging into STO for the first time, who is interested in pvp, will take the rep system. I just don't think they will stick it out unless they develop close friends in a fleet or premade.
On the other hand for pve, i am just not convinced it is as essential to have the rep traits or even gear to enjoy, so the pace can be more leisurely. The rep benefits would help no doubt, but I can STF with my klingon T0 Rom and Nuk rep with no real difficulty over my maxed Fed Sci.
I posed this to the fleet and, while we have strong doubts of such a move, there was general agreement it would be more beneficial to our sanity at the least.
So even with a boost to alt rep we are still looking at keeping rep up on all toons that we fight with ingame. So it begs the question does the rep system traits need to count toward pvp? How would people in the pvp community feel about rep if the traits didn't matter except pve and therefore there would be no advantage for completing it other than access to stores?
There are two reasons this is on my mind, first i like variability in pvp with Tac, Eng, and Sci captain. I would like to bring a romulan in once in a while and I had abandoned my kdf toons too. (I bet that the rep system hurts the kdf faction too since many prioritize Feds first) Rep prevents me from having a variety for pvp matches, instead its just my Eng and Sci. Second rep requirements are going to seriously limit new players coming into pvp. Imagine how a person logging into STO for the first time, who is interested in pvp, will take the rep system. I just don't think they will stick it out unless they develop close friends in a fleet or premade.
On the other hand for pve, i am just not convinced it is as essential to have the rep traits or even gear to enjoy, so the pace can be more leisurely. The rep benefits would help no doubt, but I can STF with my klingon T0 Rom and Nuk rep with no real difficulty over my maxed Fed Sci.
I posed this to the fleet and, while we have strong doubts of such a move, there was general agreement it would be more beneficial to our sanity at the least.
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I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels this way and surely cryptic has to know that that can only hurt sales.
Just my opinion.
I think it would be a great incentive for selling more subscriptions and lifetimes if being a gold-member made reputation essentially account-wide. My suggestion is the following: for gold members, each character's unlocked rep benefits are increased to those of the best character on the account. (RP justification: that character "vouches" for the others.) When one goes back to silver, this rep-sharing stops and each character drops back to its own rep level. So if you know you are going to stay gold indefinitely, it's enough to level just one character, but if you consider dropping back to silver, you would still have a reason to level all chars to prepare for the time without account-wide rep when you are silver again.
Maybe they could simply reduce the project durations from 20h to 5s when one already has a character that has achieved the next rep level.
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The devs need to add expertise rewards to STFs and any mission that gives marks for the reputation. That being said, Defera Invasion Zone and the Nukara ground easy and medium missions (not the public queue ones) give a decent amount of expertise. Those, however, are able to be done pre-level 50. Mirror Universe event and Big Dig (Leroy Jenkins Valley I like to call it) are also very nice for expertise but also pre-50 content. I could go on but to shorten it without more examples, add expertise to level 50 content. We might not be training doffs every other day as we level or using tons of expertise after we hit all tier 5 on rep but until we do, we need it. Badly.
EDIT: And we need it faster than 20 hours of waiting. If I do the grind and get all the stuff to fast track my rep, why can't I? You can't buy marks with cash or trade cool things for them. You still have to grind out every last one. It's not like someone can buy tier 5, not even close.
Even if I could use zen to finish it quicker I wouldn't mind that.
Well, yes. You don't need any of it outside of killing things more quickly. And in normal gameplay you can take as much time as you need. Or to find any excuse to keep using Admiral Perv and his Bridge Bunnies instead of rolling an alt and doing those boot-ugly early missions again.
Rep should be something you build towards since character creation. Small amounts of rep given at the end of missions that they apply to. Then when you get to endgame you can grind to top tier if you decide that PvP and STFs are your thing.
I disagree with this, I believe more people would be consuming romulan, kdf and new fed stuff if alts were more supported.
I don't need the Avenger because I don't keep my tac up anymore. I don't need anything Klingon because I am a fed first kind of player. I have a romulan toon that is leveled up from doff stuff due to my grind on feds, but still has a T2 ship and only collects doffs now.
I think rep hurts sales, hurts new players and especially hurts the pvp and kdf communities because of a Fed First mentality.
While I agree that the rep system should be character driven... I would like to see something akin to the Legacy system in another space MMORPG. After completing a rep on one character on the account... the next character gets an X% discount on requirements and time (project duration) on the next new toon. That discount would cumulative.
So first toon, like everyone else... second toon, say 10% discount on time and project duration... 3rd Toon = 30%, 4th = 40% and so on...
This meets Cryptics goal of having each toon utilize their missions to rep level their toons, and the players goal of making it easier each time you do it.
Win Win
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That might be something they are doing, but if it requries substantial completion of one toon then alts are sitting around doing nothing till that completion occurs. The rep continues like an accordion, especially since you can't stockpile the materials for alts while prime is slugging it out over a month or two.
It reduces the grind, but then increases alt lag.
Furthermore, even though I like the rep system it does at least feel like punishment for multiple characters as the time invested starts to outweigh the benefits. Having a lifetime membership in theory sounds great but since there's only a small drop of zen for your patronage that stretches quite thin across said toons in general.
Is there room for improvement, you bet, will they do it? Only if they care.
i agree with this and add that new players will be turned away from pvp.
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If you make the -x% per tier then alts can catch up to within one tier of the leader easier (and while this doesn't help as much for new reps it does do wonders for new chars when you already have 2/3 chars at t5 all)
Note: The one thing I would exclude for the discount would be marks that would stay at 100%
always (that way you've earned your rep on that char, it just isn't timegated)
also where would you cap the discount -80%? -90% -100% (Projects require usual amount of marks, no expertise no items and take 5s)?
They could mark the first character with normal progression. They already have a registry system that marks a start date so 1st character should progress with nominal rep standards. Then it should extend to alts so if you have 3 characters you should get a 10% discount(except for marks) in everything else.
More than 3 characters a 30% discount in everything except marks and dilithium. That'd at least help. But alas it would only happen if they want to do it.
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...meh, you guys are probably playing the game instead of playing the forums.
One of the worst things about the game. I'm just barely getting my old abandoned chars up to par.
You don't need any of the rep to do Space PvE.
How I understand it the help will be based on 1 character completing or near completing and that help will likely come in a % reduction, which to be fully utilized will have to mean that other characters are not starting rep. This means that when a rep is released alts sit on sideline, prime knocks it out and gets reduction, alts start and not long after they get a new rep. This means that for the amount of time they are playable there is likely a very long time they will not be, and the fact that the help is based on waiting on prime character to be near done means a lot of time is lost in working through it. Further compounded by the 1 commendation per day limit.
Edit: Then a new rep is released and the alts go into stasis again.
Ah yes indeed I saw. That's why I said they'd only do it if they want to and they actually do want to do something which is nice. My post is all about how they should probably do it for those who want to invest in more than 3 standard alts since it takes zen to make it happen.
I just think that I don't see a down side to the rep traits not being included in pvp. You can work toward whatever rep you want for gear, but don't need to worry about keeping rep up on all captains just to achieve baseline ability.
There's the Fleet Holding stuff which appears like it's going to be added every 6 months.
There's the various Lobi stuff which appears like it's going to be added every 3 months.
You won't be able to keep up in PvP. You don't need any of it for PvE.
Yes, it is a wonderful thing...meh.
That is really depressing. I already have thought about some, but I don't want to believe it.
And I am looking to have to cut back my play time next semester. It is kinda sad to think STO might not be something I keep up with. I love star trek themed stuff. Maybe they will make more intriguing and complex pve stuff soon.
Very valid concern.
Just do it casually, don't try to "keep up" and have fun in whatever you decide to do.
Perhaps a companion channel called Dyler Turden could be set up for alts, not max rep gear, those without all the flash cars and hot boffs. Just pew pew with what you got.
If this is STILL ruining your fun and you still haven't read the memo, then I'll put it again here:
This game is not balanced around really good players and those with everything, nor will it ever be.
It sucks, I know, but it doesn't make it any less true.
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Even though I like the rep systems you're right. Doesn't make coming back from hiatus very easy when you have another rep to grind all a sudden. Some people think it's no big deal but they tend to be the folks who have nothing to do but play the game if it suits them or they're primarily PVE and don't feel as behind with what they got.
QFT. The Reputation system's traits are utterly superfluous for PvE. At best, all it does is knock a few seconds off your kill times. In the end, you can PvE in a friggin dilithium-bought ship with average gear off the exchange. All this power creep is ridiculous for PvE, especially since Cryptic doesn't have the guts to actually increase the difficulty, lest too many carebears start complaining. Just look at the howling and moaning that happened most recently for Crystalline Catastrophe, with all the sci effects going on and more ships spawning.
The rep really just screws with PvP, which is already complicated enough to handle as it is. Oh, and all those blasted toys they keep throwing into the game. It's to the point where, in a fight, I don't even know what I'm getting hit with half the time. It's become a much wider variety of TRIBBLE out there over the last 1.5 years or so, and it's all being spammed very quickly.