You can try to make the ugliness that we call the new "Avenger" into a sort of TRIBBLE child of an Intrepid, and paint it white / light grey. And if you try to fool yourself REALLY hard, you may believe it. Then you realize, no matter what, it's an ugly Avenger ship model.
You're advertising that black ocean thing pretty hard, aren't you?
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I see. I wondered about that. I took a look at your website there, not a hint of Trek anywhere to be found, it was related to a different sci-fi IP.
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You can try to make the ugliness that we call the new "Avenger" into a sort of TRIBBLE child of an Intrepid, and paint it white / light grey. And if you try to fool yourself REALLY hard, you may believe it. Then you realize, no matter what, it's an ugly Avenger ship model.
Haters gonna hate. The avenger is no uglier than the defiant or the ktinga. Not every ship needs the smooth lines of the galaxy class.
Oh, the Avenger is definitely ugly. And you know what? It's supposed to be that way. It's a ship that says "This is a bad thing to be in front of". That's the way it's meant to be. It characterizes the Fedling attitude that war is not glamorous or glorious. War is an ugly business, and the Avenger is an ugly warship.
This is our version of Admiral Marcus' Dreadnought Class USS Vengeance minus a Khan Doff and an open space ship-to-ship jump to switch out active ships to use. Just like how it looks nothing graceful like the alt reality Constitution Class USS Enterprise, our Avenger looks nothing graceful like our Odyssey Class USS Enterprise-F except it looks more like a Vesta Class on steroids. And this time the sizes are reversed.
I am still waiting for another Fed ship design that's a smaller cruiser/escort/sci mix like the Chimera Class but I have enough ships to play with.
Haters gonna hate. The avenger is no uglier than the defiant or the ktinga. Not every ship needs the smooth lines of the galaxy class.
No they didn't. That's why the Connie-refit is still beautiful after 20+ years since the last TOS-crew movie and it's anything but a "smooth" design like the Galaxy and TNG era ships. But it IS graceful and a classic Star Trek design and the face of the franchise for decades
And you are wrong. The Avenger IS much uglier than the design of the Defiant, and does not compare to the classic look of the K'T'Inga. Whether you use the K'T'Inga in TOS D-7 style or the later versions... it still looks better.
Face it. The Avenger is just an ugly ship and there's no going around it no matter how much you randomize, how many times you try to repaint it, no matter how much you try to fool yourself that it looks good.
The Avenger differs from the design aesthetics we have become used to since TOS and TNG eras. The ships designed for the 2409 era like the Oddy still reflect the design cues from even the original USS Enterprise but have the lines from TNG thru VOY.
I'm def not a fan of the Avenger look, hence why I didn't buy it when it was released for purchase. The Oddy for me at least has very familiar cues to the USS Enterprise-D, the ship I grew up with. While the Avenger has the basic standard design layout from Matt Jeffries from 40 years ago (saucer, secondary hull, 2 nacelles with pylons, no neck tho), the lines or lack thereof make me wonder where the inspiration came from... at least in canon Starfleet ship design. To me, it's a Vesta Class on steroids when looking at it.
The real reason I think is just that they wanted to make a Fed Battlecruiser like the Vengeance from Star Trek Into Darkness. I just wished they used the actual layout the ship had (saucer, neck, secondary hull, 2 nacelles on pylons) and used the design of the Tier 2 level cruisers like the Excalibur Class instead. The look of a beefed up, blocky version of a Vesta Class just looks a bit odd to me, not to mention that the ship silhouette from far away can be mistaken for the Vesta. I have many times since the ship came out.
This is why I was hoping we could use the Galaxy Class Dreadnought skin on the Avenger but when I saw the official stats, I decided to not buy this ship. I buy ships, like many here, based on if they fall in love with it at first sight. At least the Oddy, and I keep going back to this reference, there was a certain familiar feeling when looking at her. Its that feeling we get like when we see how our Starfleet captains are in love with their ships in the shows and films. There are people who love the Avenger design but as someone like me who has always been a ship design fan, I can wait to see the next Fed ship design from Cryptic.
Am I the only one here who likes the way the Avenger looks? (Granted, I prefer the upswept pylons instead of the flat ones.)
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Am I the only one here who likes the way the Avenger looks? (Granted, I prefer the upswept pylons instead of the flat ones.)
You not the only one. I LOVE the Avenger. It has a severely functional appearance which has its own beauty, I think.
On the other hand I may be the only person who absolutely hates the Galaxy and has since 1987. It is an ill-defined blob/whale, and handles just as badly in game as it did on the screen.
I also think the Defiant is utterly TRIBBLE. It's way too small for what it's able to do.
But.
If you look at the Avenger as basically an enlarged Defiant than it actually makes sense. It takes the severely functional concept of the Defiant and inflates it into a cruiser.
Now if you excuse me I'm going to go hide from the Galaxy and Defiant class fanboys who are about to come howling for my blood.
I actually find the Avenger to be quite a nice ship aside from one thing:
She's too 'tall' for her length.
Overall, she needs to be about 5-4 decks smaller with those decks taken from the bottom of the stardrive hull. Do that, and she'd fit the standard Starfleet proportioning better.
I'm going to second the "they just wanted to rip off Into Darkness" comment.
It's butt-ugly and not at all fitting for a federation ship. It doesn't have any of the elegance or curves. They didn't get this from the "trek" universe. Not to mention the lame "black paint" -- to make it "edgy" if I recall the preview blogs.
If this ship were introduced for the KDF with theses exact stats it would fit perfectly at home. It just doesn't fit the federation. Not in theme, not in stats, not in layout or capability.
I am using the Avenger on a Engineer and I have remove a lot of coloring from it making it mostly white and I think it looks better that way. I still wish their was more customization with it.
I did much the same for one of my toons. I removed the black and threw in some blue. I use this ship with another toon with MACO shields that block all color and make it look mostly like the default scheme. I was getting around to getting fleet shields for him anyway.
It's butt-ugly and not at all fitting for a federation ship. It doesn't have any of the elegance or curves. They didn't get this from the "trek" universe. Not to mention the lame "black paint" -- to make it "edgy" if I recall the preview blogs.
The Black Paint thing isn't a new thing for the Avenger. All the 2409-look ships have the black stripes on them. Armitage, Regent, Oddy, Besta, they all have those stripes.
Painting your ship to look like that is also a traditional technique of warfare. If anything, our paint jobs aren't garish enough!
You not the only one. I LOVE the Avenger. It has a severely functional appearance which has its own beauty, I think.
On the other hand I may be the only person who absolutely hates the Galaxy and has since 1987. It is an ill-defined blob/whale, and handles just as badly in game as it did on the screen.
I also think the Defiant is utterly TRIBBLE. It's way too small for what it's able to do.
But.
If you look at the Avenger as basically an enlarged Defiant than it actually makes sense. It takes the severely functional concept of the Defiant and inflates it into a cruiser.
Now if you excuse me I'm going to go hide from the Galaxy and Defiant class fanboys who are about to come howling for my blood.
OMG someone else who hates the defiant!? *high fives* I hate the Defiant. It is a flying waffle.
On topic, I find the Avenger to be beautiful. It is not a huge ship, it has weight to its parts making it not look flimsy *cough* Constitution *cough* and it looks like it means business.
The Black Paint thing isn't a new thing for the Avenger. All the 2409-look ships have the black stripes on them. Armitage, Regent, Oddy, Besta, they all have those stripes.
Painting your ship to look like that is also a traditional technique of warfare. If anything, our paint jobs aren't garish enough!
I'm not sure that what the stock Avenger and Oddy has was meant to be Dazzle Camo at all.
I think it was just meant to be a new sense of color and style, to freshen the looks of starfleet ships.
Also, that style isn't really traditional. It was a scheme they tried, and it didn't really work. There's more tradition in using matching background colors to camoflage than there is for braking up an outline with garish colors.
Hell, the stripes on my Galaxy Dread have more in line with WW1 fighters than it does any traditional colorscheme.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
I actually bought an inferior ship with Sovereign skin for my fed (fleet regent) because I couldn't stand the look of the avenger.
I wouldn't call the Regent inferior to the Avenger, the Wide Angle Torpedo allows you to make a far better broadsider than the Avenger. They both have good BOFF layouts, the Regent does get a crappy console but and I think they both do different jobs.
Avenger can do Beams but works as a Cannon Cruiser better than any other Fed Cruiser.
Regent can do Cannons but works as one of the Best Beam boats and comes with a great Torpedo.
I consider the Regent, Excelsior and Avenger to be the best Fed Cruisers in the game depending on what you want to do with them.
The only Cruiser type the Federation is missing is a Flight Deck Cruiser, probably with it's own unique pets. And I don't think it should be a Galaxy. Probably a unused Cannon design or a unique Design.
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I wouldn't call the Regent inferior to the Avenger, the Wide Angle Torpedo allows you to make a far better broadsider than the Avenger. They both have good BOFF layouts, the Regent does get a crappy console but and I think they both do different jobs.
Avenger can do Beams but works as a Cannon Cruiser better than any other Fed Cruiser.
Regent can do Cannons but works as one of the Best Beam boats and comes with a great Torpedo.
I consider the Regent, Excelsior and Avenger to be the best Fed Cruisers in the game depending on what you want to do with them.
The only Cruiser type the Federation is missing is a Flight Deck Cruiser, probably with it's own unique pets. And I don't think it should be a Galaxy. Probably a unused Cannon design or a unique Design.
There are those of us who put the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher on the Avenger in addition to a mix of beams and some DCH's up front. She's good at both roles and in this configuration can still place in the top three in most Fleet Actions.
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I've got to click the preset plan on the left to "reset" the ship. Then I can freely modify the color scheme.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Its where I put pictures of my Star Trek Online adventures. I love Star Trek Online (actually much more that I liked the precious Trek on TV. Our site does Sci Fi Wargaming video and tabletop so its a great fit.
If I could have just posted up a pic here I would have. Since I'm forced to link then...
We are going to be doing much more Trek there now. Come take a look.
Another option would be for you to use an image host, like Photobucket.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
The Trek stuff is all over our Facebook page. The staff loves the new Star Trek, we support Star Trek: Attack Wing and I recently have been adding Star Trek Online. We also cover many other Sci Fi genres.
Haters gonna hate. The avenger is no uglier than the defiant or the ktinga. Not every ship needs the smooth lines of the galaxy class.
I am still waiting for another Fed ship design that's a smaller cruiser/escort/sci mix like the Chimera Class but I have enough ships to play with.
No they didn't. That's why the Connie-refit is still beautiful after 20+ years since the last TOS-crew movie and it's anything but a "smooth" design like the Galaxy and TNG era ships. But it IS graceful and a classic Star Trek design and the face of the franchise for decades
And you are wrong. The Avenger IS much uglier than the design of the Defiant, and does not compare to the classic look of the K'T'Inga. Whether you use the K'T'Inga in TOS D-7 style or the later versions... it still looks better.
Face it. The Avenger is just an ugly ship and there's no going around it no matter how much you randomize, how many times you try to repaint it, no matter how much you try to fool yourself that it looks good.
It's just an ugly ship.
Thanks for forcibly transplanting your opinion over the top of mine.
I'm def not a fan of the Avenger look, hence why I didn't buy it when it was released for purchase. The Oddy for me at least has very familiar cues to the USS Enterprise-D, the ship I grew up with. While the Avenger has the basic standard design layout from Matt Jeffries from 40 years ago (saucer, secondary hull, 2 nacelles with pylons, no neck tho), the lines or lack thereof make me wonder where the inspiration came from... at least in canon Starfleet ship design. To me, it's a Vesta Class on steroids when looking at it.
The real reason I think is just that they wanted to make a Fed Battlecruiser like the Vengeance from Star Trek Into Darkness. I just wished they used the actual layout the ship had (saucer, neck, secondary hull, 2 nacelles on pylons) and used the design of the Tier 2 level cruisers like the Excalibur Class instead. The look of a beefed up, blocky version of a Vesta Class just looks a bit odd to me, not to mention that the ship silhouette from far away can be mistaken for the Vesta. I have many times since the ship came out.
This is why I was hoping we could use the Galaxy Class Dreadnought skin on the Avenger but when I saw the official stats, I decided to not buy this ship. I buy ships, like many here, based on if they fall in love with it at first sight. At least the Oddy, and I keep going back to this reference, there was a certain familiar feeling when looking at her. Its that feeling we get like when we see how our Starfleet captains are in love with their ships in the shows and films. There are people who love the Avenger design but as someone like me who has always been a ship design fan, I can wait to see the next Fed ship design from Cryptic.
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You not the only one. I LOVE the Avenger. It has a severely functional appearance which has its own beauty, I think.
On the other hand I may be the only person who absolutely hates the Galaxy and has since 1987. It is an ill-defined blob/whale, and handles just as badly in game as it did on the screen.
I also think the Defiant is utterly TRIBBLE. It's way too small for what it's able to do.
But.
If you look at the Avenger as basically an enlarged Defiant than it actually makes sense. It takes the severely functional concept of the Defiant and inflates it into a cruiser.
Now if you excuse me I'm going to go hide from the Galaxy and Defiant class fanboys who are about to come howling for my blood.
She's too 'tall' for her length.
Overall, she needs to be about 5-4 decks smaller with those decks taken from the bottom of the stardrive hull. Do that, and she'd fit the standard Starfleet proportioning better.
It's butt-ugly and not at all fitting for a federation ship. It doesn't have any of the elegance or curves. They didn't get this from the "trek" universe. Not to mention the lame "black paint" -- to make it "edgy" if I recall the preview blogs.
If this ship were introduced for the KDF with theses exact stats it would fit perfectly at home. It just doesn't fit the federation. Not in theme, not in stats, not in layout or capability.
I love the look of it as its small...if it was huge then it would be a different story :P
buts its a warship, and it replaces looks for firepower
Painting your ship to look like that is also a traditional technique of warfare. If anything, our paint jobs aren't garish enough!
OMG someone else who hates the defiant!? *high fives* I hate the Defiant. It is a flying waffle.
On topic, I find the Avenger to be beautiful. It is not a huge ship, it has weight to its parts making it not look flimsy *cough* Constitution *cough* and it looks like it means business.
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I'm not sure that what the stock Avenger and Oddy has was meant to be Dazzle Camo at all.
I think it was just meant to be a new sense of color and style, to freshen the looks of starfleet ships.
Also, that style isn't really traditional. It was a scheme they tried, and it didn't really work. There's more tradition in using matching background colors to camoflage than there is for braking up an outline with garish colors.
Hell, the stripes on my Galaxy Dread have more in line with WW1 fighters than it does any traditional colorscheme.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
The looks of the Avenger have certainly grown on me. Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder.(in other words the person looking at it)
I wouldn't call the Regent inferior to the Avenger, the Wide Angle Torpedo allows you to make a far better broadsider than the Avenger. They both have good BOFF layouts, the Regent does get a crappy console but and I think they both do different jobs.
Avenger can do Beams but works as a Cannon Cruiser better than any other Fed Cruiser.
Regent can do Cannons but works as one of the Best Beam boats and comes with a great Torpedo.
I consider the Regent, Excelsior and Avenger to be the best Fed Cruisers in the game depending on what you want to do with them.
The only Cruiser type the Federation is missing is a Flight Deck Cruiser, probably with it's own unique pets. And I don't think it should be a Galaxy. Probably a unused Cannon design or a unique Design.
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Very true. I think she looks great as long as you can't see the stardrive section lol.
There are those of us who put the Wide-Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher on the Avenger in addition to a mix of beams and some DCH's up front. She's good at both roles and in this configuration can still place in the top three in most Fleet Actions.