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amincielbleuamincielbleu Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Klingon Discussion
Several people playing on the test server informed me that the new fleet building will give access to new ships when season 8 comes live, and among them there will be the Fleet Kar'Fi. This overdue addition to the faction arsenal might be part of a larger undertaking aiming at greater game balance between engineering, science and tactics, between cruisers, science vessels and escorts and between all three factions. A new powerful ship in the science department of the Klingon faction is certainly a welcome move on all three counts.

January the 12th, 2014 :

Are there reports about the actual use of a Fleet Kar'Fi ? Is there anything unexpected we should know about this ship ? Fleet Spires T3 should be available by now, or soon, so I guess it's the right moment to ask about actual test results !
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  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Just be aware that the Fleet Kar'fi require T3 Research in the new Spire holding and 5 Fleet Ship modules.
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    Just be aware that the Fleet Kar'fi require T3 Research in the new Spire holding and 5 Fleet Ship modules.

    Always a caveat, and a painful one at that.
  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    davidwford wrote: »
    Always a caveat, and a painful one at that.

    Indeed, I was somewhat disappointed when I saw the requirements. Putting this info out so people know what to expect.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Anybody seen the BOFF seating yet?
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    Just be aware that the Fleet Kar'fi require T3 Research in the new Spire holding and 5 Fleet Ship modules.

    Not counting the money needed to grow to T3, isnt 5 fleet modules roughly $25 with 4 fleet modules roughly $20? Basically we KDF pay between $20 to $25 for fleet ships so how are the KDF not makng some money?
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  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Anybody seen the BOFF seating yet?

    BOff seating is unaltered. +1 Tac consoles and the usual +10% hull and shield.
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited October 2013
    Cryptic disgusts me. They finally condescend to release a Fleet version of the Kar'fi, but they rip us off at the same time. None of the Federation Fleet versions of C-Store ships are priced at 5 modules. Not the Defiant, not the Heavy Escort Carrier, none of the cruisers, not the Long-Range Science Vessel Retrofit. Meanwhile, they rip us off first for the Fleet B'Rel, and now for a Fleet Kar'fi.

    Oh, and it'll be months before we can get access to it after release, due to that T3 spire requirement.

    I would not be surprised if they decided to give the Kar'fi a useless 'bonus' like they did with the Fleet B'Rel and its 4th engineering console, while holding out their hands for 5 modules. Though from what mreeves7a says, that doesn't appear to be happening. We'll see.

    The only solace is that discount.

    EDIT: Alright, I was incorrect in my statement there were no 5 module Federation ships. The Fleet Excelsior is 5 modules. One could make the argument, though, that it's WORTH the 5 modules. LTC tac and very tanky and A2B-worthy. The Fleet B'Rel doesn't even gain a 4th tac console, it gains an engineering console. Bloody useless on a ship that spends all of its time cloaked.
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  • molen#7916 molen Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Glad it's finally coming but making it a tier 3 reward in the new spire holding kind of puts a damper on things, will be MANY months before I can get a hold of it.

    Next thing on the list for me is the fleet Guramba, maybe in season 9's fleet holding...
  • captainbaileycaptainbailey Member Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    why are u ladies crying the caitian atrox is 5 fleet modules too. kdf is tightly bound you need x-lax to relieve yourself.

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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited October 2013
    why are u ladies crying the caitian atrox is 5 fleet modules too. kdf is tightly bound you need x-lax to relieve yourself.

    http://imageshack.us/f/716/gv2f.jpg/

    Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't the SECOND KDF fleet ship to be priced thus, with the first one being wholly unworthy of the price tag and T5 starbase-required to boot.
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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Put it in the regular shipyard, I'll pick it up on launch day (module discount FTW). T3 Spire? Kiss my assets.
  • rex9234rex9234 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    the fleet Excelsior is a 5 fleet module ship so stop crying
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So, if I own the Kar'fi, I'm still not entitled to the discount? :eek:


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  • zetax1zetax1 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    Cryptic disgusts me. They finally condescend to release a Fleet version of the Kar'fi, but they rip us off at the same time. None of the Federation Fleet versions of C-Store ships are priced at 5 modules. Not the Defiant, not the Heavy Escort Carrier, none of the cruisers, not the Long-Range Science Vessel Retrofit. Meanwhile, they rip us off first for the Fleet B'Rel, and now for a Fleet Kar'fi.

    Oh, and it'll be months before we can get access to it after release, due to that T3 spire requirement.

    I would not be surprised if they decided to give the Kar'fi a useless 'bonus' like they did with the Fleet B'Rel and its 4th engineering console, while holding out their hands for 5 modules. Though from what mreeves7a says, that doesn't appear to be happening. We'll see.

    The only solace is that discount.

    yes it will cost 5 ship moduls but c store version is 2000z while hec is 2500, and brel is also 2000z
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    zetax1 wrote: »
    yes it will cost 5 ship moduls but c store version is 2000z while hec is 2500, and brel is also 2000z

    Defiant costs 2000z and has fleet discount. I'd reckon the Karfi should qualify for a discount. Its extra console is in Tac, in a 4/4/2 configuration. So don't worry, the Kar'fi is still one hell of an awesome ship with excellent elite frigates rivalling Attack Ship pets.


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  • thedodgehopperthedodgehopper Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    khayuung wrote: »
    So, if I own the Kar'fi, I'm still not entitled to the discount? :eek:

    I'm wondering the same thing (for the Kar'fi and the Atrox). I'd like to see the game more about upgrading than getting new ships though. Maybe this is the end of it, these fleet ships. I really hope so because it puts ships like the Kar'fi up to 50 bucks, for one ships... Ridiculous.

    They need a way to start giving some equality to the ships we have, and if they want to make money find some other way. Our Ship is our SPACE CHARACTER, and it just feels entirely wrong to change it like underwear.
  • johnstewardjohnsteward Member Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So sad they didnt put the fleet guramba in there as well
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited October 2013
    khayuung wrote: »
    So, if I own the Kar'fi, I'm still not entitled to the discount? :eek:

    I suspect all the new Spire Fleet ships to be discounted by owning the original.

    Hmm do you think you need access to the original to get the Kar'fi Hanger pets? I kind of doubt it.
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  • ziggydsziggyds Member Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    http://imgur.com/a/9sBnu#8hZIHmO

    Costs only 1 module if you've the c-store version.

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  • ooiueooiue Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    Cryptic disgusts me. They finally condescend to release a Fleet version of the Kar'fi, but they rip us off at the same time. None of the Federation Fleet versions of C-Store ships are priced at 5 modules. Not the Defiant, not the Heavy Escort Carrier, none of the cruisers, not the Long-Range Science Vessel Retrofit. Meanwhile, they rip us off first for the Fleet B'Rel, and now for a Fleet Kar'fi.

    Oh, and it'll be months before we can get access to it after release, due to that T3 spire requirement.

    I would not be surprised if they decided to give the Kar'fi a useless 'bonus' like they did with the Fleet B'Rel and its 4th engineering console, while holding out their hands for 5 modules. Though from what mreeves7a says, that doesn't appear to be happening. We'll see.

    The only solace is that discount.

    Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (Excelsior) and the Atrox both require 5 modules

    Additionally, they gave it the usual +10% Hull and Shields (from 34500, to 37950 Hull, and from 1.2 SM to 1.32 SM) with +1 Tactical Console
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited October 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Yes because the Fleet Excelsior also doesnt cost 5 modules ... oh snap.

    Serious ... the B'rel is 5 just like the Excelsior is 5 since its a build-in, if you wanna ***** about you could say "makes no sense as the Ka'fir doesnt come with a build-in ability" that is true as the Ka'fir comes with the Phase Shift Generator, the Atrox comes with NOTHING except a lousy hangar pet, Feds have far more reason to do the ******** about this that KDF does because at least you get the Fer'Jai and the S'kul hangars, Atrox? Stalkers and THATS IT.

    As usual you rather play the victim instead of addressing the argument in a rational way ... because it can and I did that in 10 minutes, yet ...

    You Feddies have so many damned ships I can't keep up. Fine, so you have a ship that's 5 modules. What a coincidence, it's also WORTH those 5 modules. The Fleet Excelsior is a good ship, lots of people like it. Fleet B'Rel ain't worth that cost. You're free to keep thinking it's a real comparison.

    When it comes down to it, you lot get more quality stuff. You've got 5 tac console and 5 fore weapon escorts (and now a BATTLECRUISER with 5 fore weapons) along with an overall stronger escort line, you've got your own carrier arm AND two nimble carrier hybrids (of course, this can't possibly good enough for you, and you keep holding your greedy hands out for frigate-level pets). You've got access to almost all the KDF's good universal consoles for dirt cheap by comparison.

    But go ahead and keep thinking you're being deprived of something. All you're being deprived of as a faction is 'everything you could dream of'. Meanwhile us smelly Klingons have to keep working around our distinct lack of proper science ships, our inferior escort line, our obsolete BoPs, and now our no-longer-unique battlecruisers. Oh, and we still have to pay through the nose to use our good universal consoles while Feddies get to throw a paltry few million EC at the Exchange and get 'em.
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  • hawke89305092hawke89305092 Member Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Guys, guys. I think we've lost perspective of who the Empire's real enemy in the fleet ship module war is. Not the Federation... the Romulans with their 4 FSM T'Varo! From a tier 1 shipyard to boot! With a built in EBC!

    TAKE THAT FLEET B'REL!!! :P

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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I feel like a bigger point is missed here.
    Why are fleet versions of T5 C-Store ships even comming from the spire instead of the fleet shipyard that our fleets have already spent tons of resources to build?

    I mean, I can partially understand why the fleet versions of veteran ships come from there (although I think even that is unjustifiable), but why regular T5 C-Store ships?
    And on what logic is the decision of which ship goes to shipyard and which to spire based other than Cryptic doing "eeny, meeny, miny, moe"? :rolleyes:
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    I feel like a bigger point is missed here.
    Why are fleet versions of T5 C-Store ships even comming from the spire instead of the fleet shipyard that our fleets have already spent tons of resources to build?

    I mean, I can partially understand why the fleet versions of veteran ships come from there (although I think even that is unjustifiable), but why regular T5 C-Store ships?
    And on what logic is the decision of which ship goes to shipyard and which to spire based other than Cryptic doing "eeny, meeny, miny, moe"? :rolleyes:

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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    I feel like a bigger point is missed here.
    Why are fleet versions of T5 C-Store ships even comming from the spire instead of the fleet shipyard that our fleets have already spent tons of resources to build?

    I mean, I can partially understand why the fleet versions of veteran ships come from there (although I think even that is unjustifiable), but why regular T5 C-Store ships?
    And on what logic is the decision of which ship goes to shipyard and which to spire based other than Cryptic doing "eeny, meeny, miny, moe"? :rolleyes:

    Well, there are apparently well enough Tier 5 shipyard fleets that offer all and any a player access and only few still advance their own shipyard. Since that means loss of profits for PWE/Cryptic, they need to gate new Fleet ships behind a new Fleet holding --> new revenue.



    Anyway, I don't get why the Fleet Kar'fi and Ar'kif cost 5 fleet ship modules (without the discount). They don't have any in-built abilities that you would automatically get with the Fleet version. Both their C-Store counterparts come with a universal console.

    The Atrox, on the other hand, doesn't come with anything special at all on the C-Store version, so the 5 fleet ship modules make sense. If you get the Fleet Atrox, there's absolutely no need for you to get the C-Store Atrox (since by PWE's will, alts are ignored ;) ).

    You could argue the Kar'fi enables access to nice frigates (probably even the Fleet version) and that's reason for the 5 FSMs, but so does the (Fleet) Vo'quv at 4 FSMs, while the Ar'kif doesn't come with frigate pets at all (still at 5 FSMs).

    You could argue these new Fleet ships come with 1 (2) hangar(s) and that's the reason why they cost 5 FSMs. But the Fleet Vo'quv, Fleet Armitage, Fleet Dacoit do also have hangar(s), yet cost all 4 FSMs.

    So I'm at a loss here...
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  • elandarkskyelandarksky Member Posts: 1,013 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    Just be aware that the Fleet Kar'fi require T3 Research in the new Spire holding and 5 Fleet Ship modules.

    5??

    But.. how?
    The 5 console ships are ships with built in abilities Brel cloak Excelsior's transwarps, the karfi comes with a console, nothing innate >.>;;; (other than the hangers)

    Have to say, its disappointing that one of the few c-store ships to get a fleet variant is diddled out of its 1FM discount :/

    edit: someone beat me to it ^.^;
    Doub le edit: apparently the discount does apply, all in all i really should read before posting..
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  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The Atrox also has no inate abilities, but it too costs 5 modules. The purpose of these ships costing 5 modules I believe is to encourage you to buy the C-Store verison first. So if you just buy the modules for zen it costs you 25 bucks, if you buy the C-store Atrox first, that costs you less, then you buy the 1 fleet module for 5 bucks, for a total of 25 bucks, only you have fleet Atrox and an account wide unlock on the regular Atrox. Same with the Kar'fi and the Ar'fit tactical carrrier warbird.
  • this1isavailablethis1isavailable Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    They could at least make the boff layout a little more flexible...
  • rodentmasterrodentmaster Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Well, the ships suck, the prices are ludicrous, cryptic is creating a massive new grind to get people to spend yet MORE real world money on dilithium (via daily zen purchase), and to top it off all those screenshots of the special new shield consoles absolutely suck as far as stats.

    I think I'll skip spire, entirely. TRIBBLE cryptic and their blatant money grubbing tactics. I won't be putting 4 toons through an entirely new rep grind, especially not from what I've got for my efforts so far to date. It's just not worth the TRIBBLE they're putting out.
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