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amincielbleu
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Several people playing on the test server informed me that the new fleet building will give access to new ships when season 8 comes live, and among them there will be the Fleet Kar'Fi. This overdue addition to the faction arsenal might be part of a larger undertaking aiming at greater game balance between engineering, science and tactics, between cruisers, science vessels and escorts and between all three factions. A new powerful ship in the science department of the Klingon faction is certainly a welcome move on all three counts.
January the 12th, 2014 :
Are there reports about the actual use of a Fleet Kar'Fi ? Is there anything unexpected we should know about this ship ? Fleet Spires T3 should be available by now, or soon, so I guess it's the right moment to ask about actual test results !
January the 12th, 2014 :
Are there reports about the actual use of a Fleet Kar'Fi ? Is there anything unexpected we should know about this ship ? Fleet Spires T3 should be available by now, or soon, so I guess it's the right moment to ask about actual test results !
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Always a caveat, and a painful one at that.
Indeed, I was somewhat disappointed when I saw the requirements. Putting this info out so people know what to expect.
Not counting the money needed to grow to T3, isnt 5 fleet modules roughly $25 with 4 fleet modules roughly $20? Basically we KDF pay between $20 to $25 for fleet ships so how are the KDF not makng some money?
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BOff seating is unaltered. +1 Tac consoles and the usual +10% hull and shield.
Oh, and it'll be months before we can get access to it after release, due to that T3 spire requirement.
I would not be surprised if they decided to give the Kar'fi a useless 'bonus' like they did with the Fleet B'Rel and its 4th engineering console, while holding out their hands for 5 modules. Though from what mreeves7a says, that doesn't appear to be happening. We'll see.
The only solace is that discount.
EDIT: Alright, I was incorrect in my statement there were no 5 module Federation ships. The Fleet Excelsior is 5 modules. One could make the argument, though, that it's WORTH the 5 modules. LTC tac and very tanky and A2B-worthy. The Fleet B'Rel doesn't even gain a 4th tac console, it gains an engineering console. Bloody useless on a ship that spends all of its time cloaked.
Next thing on the list for me is the fleet Guramba, maybe in season 9's fleet holding...
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Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't the SECOND KDF fleet ship to be priced thus, with the first one being wholly unworthy of the price tag and T5 starbase-required to boot.
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yes it will cost 5 ship moduls but c store version is 2000z while hec is 2500, and brel is also 2000z
Defiant costs 2000z and has fleet discount. I'd reckon the Karfi should qualify for a discount. Its extra console is in Tac, in a 4/4/2 configuration. So don't worry, the Kar'fi is still one hell of an awesome ship with excellent elite frigates rivalling Attack Ship pets.
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I'm wondering the same thing (for the Kar'fi and the Atrox). I'd like to see the game more about upgrading than getting new ships though. Maybe this is the end of it, these fleet ships. I really hope so because it puts ships like the Kar'fi up to 50 bucks, for one ships... Ridiculous.
They need a way to start giving some equality to the ships we have, and if they want to make money find some other way. Our Ship is our SPACE CHARACTER, and it just feels entirely wrong to change it like underwear.
I suspect all the new Spire Fleet ships to be discounted by owning the original.
Hmm do you think you need access to the original to get the Kar'fi Hanger pets? I kind of doubt it.
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Costs only 1 module if you've the c-store version.
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Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (Excelsior) and the Atrox both require 5 modules
Additionally, they gave it the usual +10% Hull and Shields (from 34500, to 37950 Hull, and from 1.2 SM to 1.32 SM) with +1 Tactical Console
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You Feddies have so many damned ships I can't keep up. Fine, so you have a ship that's 5 modules. What a coincidence, it's also WORTH those 5 modules. The Fleet Excelsior is a good ship, lots of people like it. Fleet B'Rel ain't worth that cost. You're free to keep thinking it's a real comparison.
When it comes down to it, you lot get more quality stuff. You've got 5 tac console and 5 fore weapon escorts (and now a BATTLECRUISER with 5 fore weapons) along with an overall stronger escort line, you've got your own carrier arm AND two nimble carrier hybrids (of course, this can't possibly good enough for you, and you keep holding your greedy hands out for frigate-level pets). You've got access to almost all the KDF's good universal consoles for dirt cheap by comparison.
But go ahead and keep thinking you're being deprived of something. All you're being deprived of as a faction is 'everything you could dream of'. Meanwhile us smelly Klingons have to keep working around our distinct lack of proper science ships, our inferior escort line, our obsolete BoPs, and now our no-longer-unique battlecruisers. Oh, and we still have to pay through the nose to use our good universal consoles while Feddies get to throw a paltry few million EC at the Exchange and get 'em.
TAKE THAT FLEET B'REL!!! :P
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Why are fleet versions of T5 C-Store ships even comming from the spire instead of the fleet shipyard that our fleets have already spent tons of resources to build?
I mean, I can partially understand why the fleet versions of veteran ships come from there (although I think even that is unjustifiable), but why regular T5 C-Store ships?
And on what logic is the decision of which ship goes to shipyard and which to spire based other than Cryptic doing "eeny, meeny, miny, moe"? :rolleyes:
Conspiracy theory, to force the players to play it.
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Well, there are apparently well enough Tier 5 shipyard fleets that offer all and any a player access and only few still advance their own shipyard. Since that means loss of profits for PWE/Cryptic, they need to gate new Fleet ships behind a new Fleet holding --> new revenue.
Anyway, I don't get why the Fleet Kar'fi and Ar'kif cost 5 fleet ship modules (without the discount). They don't have any in-built abilities that you would automatically get with the Fleet version. Both their C-Store counterparts come with a universal console.
The Atrox, on the other hand, doesn't come with anything special at all on the C-Store version, so the 5 fleet ship modules make sense. If you get the Fleet Atrox, there's absolutely no need for you to get the C-Store Atrox (since by PWE's will, alts are ignored
You could argue the Kar'fi enables access to nice frigates (probably even the Fleet version) and that's reason for the 5 FSMs, but so does the (Fleet) Vo'quv at 4 FSMs, while the Ar'kif doesn't come with frigate pets at all (still at 5 FSMs).
You could argue these new Fleet ships come with 1 (2) hangar(s) and that's the reason why they cost 5 FSMs. But the Fleet Vo'quv, Fleet Armitage, Fleet Dacoit do also have hangar(s), yet cost all 4 FSMs.
So I'm at a loss here...
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5??
But.. how?
The 5 console ships are ships with built in abilities Brel cloak Excelsior's transwarps, the karfi comes with a console, nothing innate >.>;;; (other than the hangers)
Have to say, its disappointing that one of the few c-store ships to get a fleet variant is diddled out of its 1FM discount
edit: someone beat me to it ^.^;
Doub le edit: apparently the discount does apply, all in all i really should read before posting..
I think I'll skip spire, entirely. TRIBBLE cryptic and their blatant money grubbing tactics. I won't be putting 4 toons through an entirely new rep grind, especially not from what I've got for my efforts so far to date. It's just not worth the TRIBBLE they're putting out.
There is only one reason: GREED. The Ferengi who run the show at Cryptic/PWE are attaching new ships to the Spire to 'encourage' players to sink massive amounts of dilithium into yet another rep grind. Dilithium that will most certainly be obtained with Zen conversion.
To add insult to injury, they don't even bother to improve the Kar'fi boff layout, from what I'm hearing (we'll see when it's ultimately released, I guess), even though the Kar'fi is now thoroughly left behind by the JHDC. They could've at least made the ensign sci a universal ensign so that it could be used for engineering if the player wanted to. About the only thing that justifies this discrepancy is the fact that the JHDC is quite expensive. 800 lobi. Doesn't mean I have to like it.
It'll still be a good ship, but what it's gaining is NOT worth 5 fleet modules. A single tac console and the shield/hull boost is not worth that, unless it's getting more. If it got a 1-2 turnrate increase and had the inertia raised from 25 to 30-35, then it would be worth that.