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Season 8 - "Shut up and be happy with what we give you".

craigrodencraigroden Member Posts: 36 Arc User
Looks like I'll be skipping a season or two. The season 8 previews Look like something out of a fantasy MMO - Neverwinter?.

I'm not very happy with the direction this game or it's "storyline" is headed lately. Looks like a lot of Eve Online in my future. I just have to keep telling myself "Cryptic's not Star Trek".

Now, we're getting more stuff that we didn't ask for, and still not getting the things we have asked for - in some cases, begged after for years like Klingon faction modernization.

Evidently I'm not the kind of gamer the current Exec producer wants to keep around.
Below I've listed some of my recent purchases in support of this game. Am I the kind of gamer you really want to alienate? Check my account's Zen purchases. This is only a fraction.

Klingon Modernization, and listen to your gamers. All the gamers, not just the tribe of yes-men who gush over every dev post.

2013-10-06 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-10-03 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-10-01 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-09-29 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-09-25 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-09-21 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-09-02 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-08-29 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-08-16 $200.00 +24300 24300
2013-08-15 $200.00 +24300 24300
2013-08-14 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-08-12 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-08-05 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-08-02 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-07-19 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-07-15 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-07-11 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-06-30 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-06-28 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-06-27 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-06-24 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-06-20 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-06-16 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-06-16 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-06-14 $100.00 +12100 12100
2013-06-01 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-05-31 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-05-27 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-05-22 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-05-17 $200.00 +21300 21300
2013-05-13 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-05-04 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-04-30 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-04-21 $100.00 +10600 10600
2013-04-20 $124.99 Legacy Pack 0
2013-04-13 $100.00 +12100 12100

- @Marcus_Jellico
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  • nakedcrooknakedcrook Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    craigroden wrote: »

    2013-10-06 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-10-03 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-10-01 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-09-29 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-09-25 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-09-21 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-09-02 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-08-29 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-08-16 $200.00 +24300 24300
    2013-08-15 $200.00 +24300 24300
    2013-08-14 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-08-12 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-08-05 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-08-02 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-07-19 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-07-15 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-07-11 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-06-30 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-06-28 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-06-27 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-06-24 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-06-20 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-06-16 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-06-16 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-06-14 $100.00 +12100 12100
    2013-06-01 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-05-31 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-05-27 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-05-22 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-05-17 $200.00 +21300 21300
    2013-05-13 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-05-04 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-04-30 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-04-21 $100.00 +10600 10600
    2013-04-20 $124.99 Legacy Pack 0
    2013-04-13 $100.00 +12100 12100

    - @Marcus_Jellico

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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Star Trek Online is simply Cryptic's version of what Star Trek is. The problem is that every player has their own version of what Star Trek should be.

    Personally, I am very interested in Season 8 since we are fighting inside a Dyson Sphere. Few video games even have Dyson Spheres and even fewer have us fighting inside a Dyson Sphere. The only one I know of is Freelancer and the inside of the Sphere is just a bunch of aerial maps with no actual details. Also, I am not seeing the Fantasy MMO look.
  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nakedcrook wrote: »
    That money could of gone to charity.

    The funny thing is, too... is when I see the level of monetary transactions there the only thing that pops into my mind is the ol' adage, "A fool and his money are soon parted."

    I'm a gold account myself, but seriously..... pouring in that much is obscene.
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The funny thing is, too... is when I see the level of monetary transactions there the only thing that pops into my mind is the ol' adage, "A fool and his money are soon parted."

    Imho no one has the right to judge what someone wants to spend his or her money on. There are tons of hobbys out there which consume even more money on a regular basis without having anything valuable or substantial left at the end.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Yeah, spending that much on a game someone doesn't even seem to like that much is a bit... odd.

    But even though it is a ****load of cash, it doesn't entitle you to anything. You bought a product, you don't own the game.

    I buy a lot of Pringles, I don't dictate new flavors to the company either (wish I could, though ) )
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  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I think the op is right to a degree.

    This game isn't star trek anymore, it stopped being that a long time ago.
    We are going to get overhyped garbage nobody asked for, have all the old bugs and content completely out of date still, get tired of the minisucle new content and be back to where we are now shortly.

    I used to budget money every month for STO. But I spent $20 10 months ago, and nothing for 6 months prior to that.. I can tell you pretty much where the game jumped the dinosaur for me.
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  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Imho no one has the right to judge what someone wants to spend his or her money on. There are tons of hobbys out there which consume even more money on a regular basis without having anything valuable or substantial left at the end.

    Sure I have a right to judge what someone else spends their money on... I have every right to. I'm not going to stop them... but I have the right to make a judgement upon it.
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    What's scarier to me is that OP is but one user who in the past 6 months has spent enough $ to actually purchase a decent used car but instead has spent it on STO. That's his right no doubt, not judging him for that. What bothers me is there are probably a bunch of users just like this and all the users get in return are a rehashed/rebranded rep grind and fleet holding to go along with Dino-Riders. No bug fixes or adjustment to game mechanics. No PvP updates or Klingon faction improvements, just rehashed garbage. Enjoy the gravy train while you can Cryptic, the well will run dry eventually.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Vulcans look like elves

    Romulans look like Drow

    Gorn look like Draconians/Lizardmen

    Orion Slave Girls look like Nymphs

    Feresans look like werecats

    :P
    Don't forget Tellarites looking like dwarves. Except without the battle axes.
  • mscowboymscowboy Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Jesus, are you a Rothschild or something?
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    First thing I think of when I saw his list of transactions is that I don't believe it until he posts a screenshot.

    Wow, you and I agree for once. lol
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mscowboy wrote: »
    Jesus, are you a Rothschild or something?

    That or the Rockefeller baby.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    We've probably agreed more than once, but agreeing with each other isn't as memorable. :P

    I... disagree.

    :P
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  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Wow, you and I agree for once. lol

    I work in IT support... I stopped not believing things people would do long ago.
  • craigrodencraigroden Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    First thing I think of when I saw his list of transactions is that I don't believe it until he posts a screenshot.

    http://s13.postimg.org/mta6cke6v/Transactions.jpg
  • xeero187xeero187 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    craigroden wrote: »

    Do you think that gives you power over the devs?
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    xeero187 wrote: »
    Do you think that gives you power over the devs?

    in the star trek world some think it dose
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    craigroden wrote: »

    See, and this is why I stopped not believing things.
  • nakedcrooknakedcrook Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    craigroden wrote: »

    Dude...what a waste of money.
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  • victorstellavictorstella Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I agree with the OP, and not because he spent a bunch of money. We didn't ask for the Voth. They were in exactly one episode yet they are being made into a faction. More importantly and as others have mentioned, Cryptic is always moving forward instead of smoothing over rough edges; never refining, never repairing what needs repairing. It's always the next grind, never making STO feel more like Star Trek by way of making exploration more interesting or working on the story. I've never been interested in PvP but from all accounts, it is a disaster and I've read where devs said it would be made right but there doesn't appear to be anyone working on it.
  • rickeyredshirtrickeyredshirt Member Posts: 1,059 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    xeero187 wrote: »
    Do you think that gives you power over the devs?

    Well, considering this game is F2P and our transactions pay for the devs I guess our wallets kind of do give us power over them. I don't think the OP was implying that at all, just that the devs decision's are making a lot of people wonder if they want to spend any more money or even play this game anymore. Time for Star Trek: Online 2 made by a better company with a better vision.
  • craigrodencraigroden Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    You're missing the point.

    I can afford to spend money on this, or any other game. I earn about $215k / year, and my partner earns about the same. We're comfortable. Thank you very much for your concern.

    The point is that the Exec producer and dev team are not listening to their customer base. The gamers who contribute significant revenue to this game would like them to start listening. Listening, and delivering. The only way we can currently "make" Cryptic listen, is through the withholding of revenue from Cryptic.

    The choice and ultimate future of STO lies with the Exec Producer and his devs. We've been asking for certain content for years. It will either be developed and delivered, or it wont. The current direction that I see the game headed in indicates that the gamer requests will continue to be ignored, and the devs will develop the game in whatever direction they want to.

    That's their right. But it's our right to spend our money elsewhere.

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  • vocmcpvocmcp Member Posts: 1,134 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    craigroden wrote: »
    gamer requests will continue to be ignored, and the devs will develop the game in whatever direction they want to.

    To some extent you are correct. Please don't forget what happened over the past 1-2 month.

    - account lobi
    - afk system in the works
    - etc.

    From the upcoming things I can see the following changes that were asked for
    - less grind for the new rep system (only once a day)
    - new ships (also KDF)
    - bringing down some insane exchange prices for tac consoles

    You should also keep in mind that they will only earn money with new content. Old stuff, fixed or not, does not bring the bucks in an MMO. So understandably they cannot go fix everything at once. Most of the resources will have to be directed towards new things.
  • craigrodencraigroden Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    vocmcp wrote: »
    You should also keep in mind that they will only earn money with new content. Old stuff, fixed or not, does not bring the bucks in an MMO. So understandably they cannot go fix everything at once. Most of the resources will have to be directed towards new things.

    I disagree. Modernizing the Klingon faction and delivering content that the gamers have asked for will keep the gamers playing STO, thus retaining predictable revenue. Additionally, the addition of new ships, features, consoles, abilities, traits, and other content that is consistent with what the players are asking for will produce entirely new revenue streams.

    @Marcus_Jellico
  • aurigas7aurigas7 Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    In eve you could have hired some quality mercs and by choice either created or shattered an empire... just saying.
    As much as I like Star Trek, this game is heading into a strange direction. Just more lose ends in the storyline and a new rep grind every season. \o/
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  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    sto has never been a star trek game, it was a themepark from the start.
    That was evident when it became known they would use the champions online engine.

    A real star trek game woukd have build upon a framework like bridgecommander.

    That aside: at least its a themepark that is maintained and expanded.

    And you know what? Since its a themepark i can enjoy dinosaurs with laserguns.

    btw we need ground vehicles and lank battles. Leopard 2A2409 please?



    btw: you have spend so much money, you are basicaly an addict, cryptic has you in its clutches. you are doomed like the bismark.
  • abyssinainabyssinain Member Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Uh, excuse me for being clueless here but what exactly DOES the 'STO customer' want, what are we 'asking for' and what is cryptic delivering that makes you go 'we don't need this'?

    It seems like such a repeated quote that noone actually knows what the hell they're talking about anymore, what game-breaking terrible bugs have cryptic ignored and how are they affecting your game-play, are they really that bad or just little nit-picks like 'the decal on this ship is .5 centimeters off!!!!'

    I mean look, this is what they're introducing:

    1. New fleet tactical consoles to fight their ridiculous exchange inflation (thank god)

    2. New content in the form of an entirely new enemy, new space map, and new very unique enemies (apparently noone wants new content?)

    3. New AFK kickers on pve queues (noone asked for this either apparently)

    4. New fleet ship variants for both sides (oh no its under a new holding, you already get 9999 fleet ships with tactical so stop crying about it, hell you just got a new one yesterday.)

    5. Account bound lobi

    6. Their new fleet holding cuts down on the grind by making it a once a day thing (noone wants less grinding too according to you)

    Seriously, what is wrong about any of this?
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    craigroden wrote: »
    You're missing the point.

    I can afford to spend money on this, or any other game. I earn about $215k / year, and my partner earns about the same. We're comfortable. Thank you very much for your concern.

    The point is that the Exec producer and dev team are not listening to their customer base. The gamers who contribute significant revenue to this game would like them to start listening. Listening, and delivering. The only way we can currently "make" Cryptic listen, is through the withholding of revenue from Cryptic.

    The choice and ultimate future of STO lies with the Exec Producer and his devs. We've been asking for certain content for years. It will either be developed and delivered, or it wont. The current direction that I see the game headed in indicates that the gamer requests will continue to be ignored, and the devs will develop the game in whatever direction they want to.

    That's their right. But it's our right to spend our money elsewhere.

    @Marcus_Jellico

    The problem is that the devs are listening to their customer base, but the customer base has no consensus of what they want. I want this feature added, you want that feature added, and everyone else has their own feature they want added. Then there is a problem that a lot of these requested features are completely ridiculous like playable Voth City Ships or playable Enterprise-J.

    As far as thinking that your numerous transactions means you have a say over the rest of us, then you are mistaken. You have as much of a say as the rest of us. Cryptic and PWE are likely grateful for your patronage, but won't change the game just because someone spent thousands of dollars on it. If you want a say in their business, then there are other ways like get a job with Cryptic, become a Cryptic/PWE shareholder, or buying Cryptic.
  • craigrodencraigroden Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    aurigas7 wrote: »
    In eve you could have hired some quality mercs and by choice either created or shattered an empire... just saying.
    As much as I like Star Trek, this game is heading into a strange direction. Just more lose ends in the storyline and a new rep grind every season. \o/

    Haaa! Totally agree with you. I actually spend more time gaming in Eve these days due to my frustration with STO's direction.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Yeah lots of stuff lately I neither needed or wanted has/is coming out. The Arkif, Avenger, new fleet holdings, new rep, last 2 lockboxes. I haven't touched any of that stuff. I would be happy to buy new KDF ships and uniforms though.


    Been thinking I might skip this season also, I can't bear to do another rep and not even have a new KDF ship to do it with. I have enough fleet credits, so can take a break and leave the new holding for fleeties that need credits and it will finish fast anyway.
    Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
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