avenger and battle cruiser. are words that you would think would never be used officially by the federation/Starfleet that don't believe in wars. to the point a warship designed to fight the borg was officially an escort ship.
Funny I thought battle cruiser was a Klingon classification for cruisers didn't the Klingons in startrek 3 call the Enterprise a federation battle cruiser?
This is a much better video, and it was an original design.
Also remember this game was made in 2000, you would have thought newer games would have improved by now!
Apparently this kid refuses to see that all of the people who responded to him tried (and apparently failed) to make him realize that the difference between a ship and a cruiser is a HUGE one.
I DO like the flat-pylon configuration a lot. This may be the first ship I spend C-points on...
i wish they pylons do what voyagers do and move when going to warp that would be the most epic thing for the avenger class =D what can i say i love the voyagers moveable pylons lol
and everytime i gonna use the avenger ship this well be randomly playing in my head >_< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNgc0UybvGA
Yes, at least it doesn't have an illogicaly high shield mod! (And hangar bay, hope it stays this way.)
As others have wondered, 0.5 inertia translates to what exactly? The numbers in game range from about 18 (Bortasqu', I think) to 80 on most manoeuvrable escorts (100 for small craft, unless I'm mistaken).
While I'm wondering... how come this ship can get a fleet version right away while the Ar'kif couldn't? And how come the FEDs get a second (or fourth) 5 front wep ship while the first 'possibly in the works' one for KDF can wait (not to mention even the ROMs got a 3 pack of front 5 weps already)?
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Is anyone else worried about the V.A.T.A. being like the Shrapnel Torpedo?...a 2 min CD and it takes up a console slot?...(Is it a modified version of the Bio-Neural warhead?).....I dunno.....
I suppose we'll find out tomorrow if the forums catch fire with "IT'S OP NERF NAOW!!!"...
Way to go Cryptic, you have people all fired up to buy your next c-store ship, but then they have to buy another Ship to get the cloak, and spend more for the fleet version!
Awesome job sucking up the cash!
That is what a battle ship looks like, its slow moving, however can take many targets out in the same area. Honestly, oh and the hull is made from some really strong stuff!
It is a Battle CRUISER, not a Battleship. Battlecruisers typically had less armour than Battleships with higher speed and a similar number of guns. This definitely falls into that category.
Back from lunch with an update (sorry, ate all the bacon sandwiches, sunfrancks :P)! The Avenger Class Battle Cruiser will be 2,500 ZEN -- account-wide unlock, of course. Fleet Version is eligible for the Module discount, as mentioned in the blog.
Way to go Cryptic, you have people all fired up to buy your next c-store ship, but then they have to buy another Ship to get the cloak, and spend more for the fleet version!
Awesome job sucking up the cash!
No they don't. Pretty much everyone has the Defiant by now
By the way (not to the post I am replying to, but to this thread in general) this ship is not for everyone. Thus why no one is getting their arm twisted to buy it. Best to stick to the ships you like instead of having to feel like you HAVE to buy something just because it's out there
Back from lunch with an update (sorry, ate all the bacon sandwiches, sunfrancks :P)! The Avenger Class Battle Cruiser will be 2,500 ZEN -- account-wide unlock, of course. Fleet Version is eligible for the Module discount, as mentioned in the blog.
This is good news.
Now all I need to see is the ENT Maco Uniforms and a Species Respec token and then I might actually like my Fed Engineer.
Back from lunch with an update (sorry, ate all the bacon sandwiches, sunfrancks :P)! The Avenger Class Battle Cruiser will be 2,500 ZEN -- account-wide unlock, of course. Fleet Version is eligible for the Module discount, as mentioned in the blog.
You should be able to remove the fins on the nacelles.
Yes, .5 = 50
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
thanks for the price update and i acctually like the fins on the nacelles
Back from lunch with an update (sorry, ate all the bacon sandwiches, sunfrancks :P)! The Avenger Class Battle Cruiser will be 2,500 ZEN -- account-wide unlock, of course. Fleet Version is eligible for the Module discount, as mentioned in the blog.
And how many Fleet Modules do you need for the Fleet version if you don't own the C-Store one?
And how many Fleet Modules do you need for the Fleet version if you don't own the C-Store one?
I guess the usual 4, like any other ship, including 2500 zen ships.
I'm a cruiser captain and I love Into Darkness, but I am not convinced yet on this ship. Maybe I'll spend my 200k dilithium from Crystalline on something else.
Back from lunch with an update (sorry, ate all the bacon sandwiches, sunfrancks :P)! The Avenger Class Battle Cruiser will be 2,500 ZEN -- account-wide unlock, of course. Fleet Version is eligible for the Module discount, as mentioned in the blog.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Oh wow. I was expecting 5,000. Now I have change (It's like McDonald's!!!)
I'm definitely going to buy this at my earliest opportunity. Thank you, Cryptic, for finally making a Cruiser with significantly improved tactical ability. I hoped it would include the Lt. Commander Tactical slot in addition to the Commander Engineering, but I'm a little unhappy with the Ensign Tactical. While it's great for someone who uses it for a second Tactical Team (for the most effective tac team rotation) or for someone who likes to use one dual beam and an overload, it's almost useless for someone who will use the Lt. Universal for Tactical and uses dual heavy cannons only. I can work around that small thing, though, so no problem.
I love the idea of an adaptive warhead that launches smaller torpedoes on its way to the target, but it better be a pretty damn good weapon if it has a 2 minute long cooldown. I'll either rely on cannons and turrets until it's ready, or mount a second launcher instead of a dual heavy. My Escort Carrier has two photons, and that works perfectly by the way, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to add a quantum torp (for high yield and spread) along with this new one. Having three dual heavy cannons and three turrets will hopefully balance that out.
The visuals are great, but I can't tell what that second pylon option is from that angle. I hope it comes straight out of the hull instead of angling down like the Luna class, but I will probably use that option either way. The way the ship is designed, the nacelles being high up above the hull doesn't look good to me. If the saucer was closer down to the hull, instead of using the weird split neck design from the Odyssey, and if I used the pylons shown on the fleet picture here, this ship would be my favorite appearance in the game so far (if the neck has no option to be lower to the hull, the Sovereign remains on top!).
Great job, Cryptic! Keep up the good work. I can't wait to see the new Season 8.
I find it kind of insulting that they gave us all this talk about how full interiors and bridges take too long to make so Roms only get one and then they make this for the feds.>.>
But it is a lovely bridge.^_^
It was made for the updated Federation tutorial. The current plan is that this bridge will become the new default bridge for Fed ships (that don't have custom ones).
I for one refuse to support this ship. To me, it stands as proof that the KDF is still hated by the devs, since you apparently had time for the Federation, but not the KDF.
It was made for the updated Federation tutorial. The current plan is that this bridge will become the new default bridge for Fed ships (that don't have custom ones).
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Hm, seems a bit large for a light cruiser. But hey, it's freeeeee
my 1 gripe with the ship is that again, the arrays on the saucer arent connected for no reason, aside from that being an esthetic of the intrepid and sovereign, and thus very short.
array length has an additive effect on how powerful a beam fired from an array can be, a ship with short main arrays like these has terribly gimped shot potential. thats the last thing a battlecruiser would have, the saucer would be designed around an array that was as long as possible. at least its saved by the fact that its intended to use cannons primarily. BUT, it gets lost in defiant fanboy translation that cannons are a compromised weapons for ships that arent large enough to be fitted with long arrays, arrays that have a firing arc of everything they have line of sight with, instead of only strait in front of them.
the trek science behind this is that arrays are made up of dasie chained emitters, and that every emitter is its own individual phaser bank, with all the internal workings needed to store energy and fire it independently. just like the ball turrets on old ships. the moveing glow effect along the array before a shot is fired in the show is the the power stored in each emitter being transferred along the array to the point that the computer chooses to fire from.
arrays only fire 1 shot at a time, with the combined power of however many emitters were used to power the shot, up to and including every emitter in a particular array. its much more devastating to fire 1 shot with the power of 100, then 100 shots with the power of 1. you want 1 long array for greatest effective firepower potential, not 2 or 4 separated ones.
given this fact, i can only facepalm every time a new cryptic starfleet ship is designed and it has pitifully tiny arrays, like this battlecruiser, and the odyssey. the frigging galaxy class, that in game is the meekest of all cruisers, has the most powerful phaser potential in all of canon, yet in game everything is exactly backward. the odyssey, the galaxy replacement, doesn't even have arrays longer then the sovereign, how it it supposed to replace the galaxy if its got half its firepower, during the most wartorn era in trek history? based on the trek science behind arrays, nothing by 2409 has even close to the galaxy class's array shot potential, does it make sense now why the biggest thread on the forum is about how you guys have the galaxy class all wrong yet?
please go back and give us a saucer costume option for this ship with 1 solid dorsal and 1 solid ventral saucer array, and maybe with the cannon hardpoints toned down. that way depending on if we wanted to use beams or cannons on the ship, we could have a saucer that looked correct for ether. from what i saw of the model on tribble, there did not appear to be geometry in the way that would even prevent them from being joined, it looked nice and flat.
Yes, at least it doesn't have an illogicaly high shield mod! (And hangar bay, hope it stays this way.)
As others have wondered, 0.5 inertia translates to what exactly? The numbers in game range from about 18 (Bortasqu', I think) to 80 on most manoeuvrable escorts (100 for small craft, unless I'm mistaken).
While I'm wondering... how come this ship can get a fleet version right away while the Ar'kif couldn't? And how come the FEDs get a second (or fourth) 5 front wep ship while the first 'possibly in the works' one for KDF can wait (not to mention even the ROMs got a 3 pack of front 5 weps already)?
Means it will drag very little. For comparison a fleet mogai is 60 or .6, a nebula is 40, Fleet K'tinga 35. The Ktinga is probably the nimblest of all battlecruiser atm. It also has 11 turn so while only 2 turn better than the neghvar it really stops, starts, and responds to turns much faster with less drag as it swings around. I'm not sure what this will mean because to date KDF have nearly always out turned fed cruisers and struggled to keep up with fedscorts. Now that there are potential battlecruiser on battlecruiser fights with a much better inertia, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Avenger out turn the Torkaht because the turn won't widen nor will the avenger skid much if at all. It remains to be seen. But inertia plays a big role when it's so crucial to keep the target in front of a 45 degree arc. It was one of the biggest gripes when the Scimitar first came out. Under cloak Scmitars could actually turn thanks to the 2 set bonus and you felt the inertia more so than on any previous ship.
Bear in mind the Fleet Ktinga only has 34,450 base hull and a shield mod of 1.1. Arguably this was a sacrfice for higher inertia and turn rate. However, the Fleet version of the avenger has 41K hull 1.1 shield mod and 9 turn with much better inertia (35 Ktinga / 50 Avenger). To date, all the other KDF battlecruisers with better hull than the K'tinga had lower inertia (25-30) and turn (9-10.5).
Back from lunch with an update (sorry, ate all the bacon sandwiches, sunfrancks :P)! The Avenger Class Battle Cruiser will be 2,500 ZEN -- account-wide unlock, of course. Fleet Version is eligible for the Module discount, as mentioned in the blog.
You should be able to remove the fins on the nacelles.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Sold for 2,500 zen!
Challenge will be is to figure out what type of console to put into the science slot.
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Funny I thought battle cruiser was a Klingon classification for cruisers didn't the Klingons in startrek 3 call the Enterprise a federation battle cruiser?
Apparently this kid refuses to see that all of the people who responded to him tried (and apparently failed) to make him realize that the difference between a ship and a cruiser is a HUGE one.
~shakes head~
No . . . no they are not. But again you knew that. LOL
i wish they pylons do what voyagers do and move when going to warp that would be the most epic thing for the avenger class =D what can i say i love the voyagers moveable pylons lol
and everytime i gonna use the avenger ship this well be randomly playing in my head >_<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNgc0UybvGA
As others have wondered, 0.5 inertia translates to what exactly? The numbers in game range from about 18 (Bortasqu', I think) to 80 on most manoeuvrable escorts (100 for small craft, unless I'm mistaken).
While I'm wondering... how come this ship can get a fleet version right away while the Ar'kif couldn't? And how come the FEDs get a second (or fourth) 5 front wep ship while the first 'possibly in the works' one for KDF can wait (not to mention even the ROMs got a 3 pack of front 5 weps already)?
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I suppose we'll find out tomorrow if the forums catch fire with "IT'S OP NERF NAOW!!!"...
Awesome job sucking up the cash!
Remember that Starfleet is an agency that named a starship after Elmer Fudd. After that any name goes.
(it was on screen so it is canon!)
It is a Battle CRUISER, not a Battleship. Battlecruisers typically had less armour than Battleships with higher speed and a similar number of guns. This definitely falls into that category.
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When I get my next stipend, then I will get it!
I hope STO get's better ...
You should be able to remove the fins on the nacelles.
Yes, .5 = 50
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
No they don't. Pretty much everyone has the Defiant by now
By the way (not to the post I am replying to, but to this thread in general) this ship is not for everyone. Thus why no one is getting their arm twisted to buy it. Best to stick to the ships you like instead of having to feel like you HAVE to buy something just because it's out there
This is good news.
Now all I need to see is the ENT Maco Uniforms and a Species Respec token and then I might actually like my Fed Engineer.
I don't
I have the Gal-X instead.
thanks for the price update and i acctually like the fins on the nacelles
You monster you could have at least brought some back for the rest of us!:mad:
I guess the usual 4, like any other ship, including 2500 zen ships.
I'm a cruiser captain and I love Into Darkness, but I am not convinced yet on this ship. Maybe I'll spend my 200k dilithium from Crystalline on something else.
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Oh wow. I was expecting 5,000. Now I have change (It's like McDonald's!!!)
What to buy . . . what to buy . . .
She'll hit .5, that's past light speed.
I love the idea of an adaptive warhead that launches smaller torpedoes on its way to the target, but it better be a pretty damn good weapon if it has a 2 minute long cooldown. I'll either rely on cannons and turrets until it's ready, or mount a second launcher instead of a dual heavy. My Escort Carrier has two photons, and that works perfectly by the way, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to add a quantum torp (for high yield and spread) along with this new one. Having three dual heavy cannons and three turrets will hopefully balance that out.
The visuals are great, but I can't tell what that second pylon option is from that angle. I hope it comes straight out of the hull instead of angling down like the Luna class, but I will probably use that option either way. The way the ship is designed, the nacelles being high up above the hull doesn't look good to me. If the saucer was closer down to the hull, instead of using the weird split neck design from the Odyssey, and if I used the pylons shown on the fleet picture here, this ship would be my favorite appearance in the game so far (if the neck has no option to be lower to the hull, the Sovereign remains on top!).
Great job, Cryptic! Keep up the good work. I can't wait to see the new Season 8.
It was made for the updated Federation tutorial. The current plan is that this bridge will become the new default bridge for Fed ships (that don't have custom ones).
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Have you flown it in testing? if not, then how do you know it's "weak"?
Hm, seems a bit large for a light cruiser. But hey, it's freeeeee
array length has an additive effect on how powerful a beam fired from an array can be, a ship with short main arrays like these has terribly gimped shot potential. thats the last thing a battlecruiser would have, the saucer would be designed around an array that was as long as possible. at least its saved by the fact that its intended to use cannons primarily. BUT, it gets lost in defiant fanboy translation that cannons are a compromised weapons for ships that arent large enough to be fitted with long arrays, arrays that have a firing arc of everything they have line of sight with, instead of only strait in front of them.
the trek science behind this is that arrays are made up of dasie chained emitters, and that every emitter is its own individual phaser bank, with all the internal workings needed to store energy and fire it independently. just like the ball turrets on old ships. the moveing glow effect along the array before a shot is fired in the show is the the power stored in each emitter being transferred along the array to the point that the computer chooses to fire from.
arrays only fire 1 shot at a time, with the combined power of however many emitters were used to power the shot, up to and including every emitter in a particular array. its much more devastating to fire 1 shot with the power of 100, then 100 shots with the power of 1. you want 1 long array for greatest effective firepower potential, not 2 or 4 separated ones.
given this fact, i can only facepalm every time a new cryptic starfleet ship is designed and it has pitifully tiny arrays, like this battlecruiser, and the odyssey. the frigging galaxy class, that in game is the meekest of all cruisers, has the most powerful phaser potential in all of canon, yet in game everything is exactly backward. the odyssey, the galaxy replacement, doesn't even have arrays longer then the sovereign, how it it supposed to replace the galaxy if its got half its firepower, during the most wartorn era in trek history? based on the trek science behind arrays, nothing by 2409 has even close to the galaxy class's array shot potential, does it make sense now why the biggest thread on the forum is about how you guys have the galaxy class all wrong yet?
please go back and give us a saucer costume option for this ship with 1 solid dorsal and 1 solid ventral saucer array, and maybe with the cannon hardpoints toned down. that way depending on if we wanted to use beams or cannons on the ship, we could have a saucer that looked correct for ether. from what i saw of the model on tribble, there did not appear to be geometry in the way that would even prevent them from being joined, it looked nice and flat.
Means it will drag very little. For comparison a fleet mogai is 60 or .6, a nebula is 40, Fleet K'tinga 35. The Ktinga is probably the nimblest of all battlecruiser atm. It also has 11 turn so while only 2 turn better than the neghvar it really stops, starts, and responds to turns much faster with less drag as it swings around. I'm not sure what this will mean because to date KDF have nearly always out turned fed cruisers and struggled to keep up with fedscorts. Now that there are potential battlecruiser on battlecruiser fights with a much better inertia, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Avenger out turn the Torkaht because the turn won't widen nor will the avenger skid much if at all. It remains to be seen. But inertia plays a big role when it's so crucial to keep the target in front of a 45 degree arc. It was one of the biggest gripes when the Scimitar first came out. Under cloak Scmitars could actually turn thanks to the 2 set bonus and you felt the inertia more so than on any previous ship.
Bear in mind the Fleet Ktinga only has 34,450 base hull and a shield mod of 1.1. Arguably this was a sacrfice for higher inertia and turn rate. However, the Fleet version of the avenger has 41K hull 1.1 shield mod and 9 turn with much better inertia (35 Ktinga / 50 Avenger). To date, all the other KDF battlecruisers with better hull than the K'tinga had lower inertia (25-30) and turn (9-10.5).
Challenge will be is to figure out what type of console to put into the science slot.
Yup, utterly appalled!! :P
On topic, nice price.