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nedstakr99
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I know the feds dont have as much experience with cloaks like romulans and klingons but i think the defiant should have a battle cloak or at least the option to buy/upgrade it in the cstore thoughts ?
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This point has been beaten into the ground it's no longer funny.
The Defiant should have its cloak re-integrated as a built-in system, just like the Klingon/Romulan cloaks. It should stay a regular cloak, though.
+1 this, it would be nice to have it as an built in cloak but at the end of the day I used the cloak maybe 3-4 times before canning it. Just takes up space for something thats not needed in the first place.
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The Defiant and Gal-X's cloaks used to be innate (long before fleet ships), but they had 8 consoles slots. The cloak was turned into a console and an extra slot added to each ship so that users had more flexibility.
That wasn't just those two ships, but all T5 ships. Every T5 ship, including the basic RA ships, received a 9th console slot when innate abilities were turned into consoles.
How long have you played? I have been here since Seaons 1.5 "Genesis". ALL of the RA T5 ships at that time had 9 slots. 4 for their primary BOFF, 3 for their secondary, and 2 for the last type. The T5 refits of the big three (Defiant, Galaxy, Intrepid) only had 8 consoles at that time.
The powers were built in, and the consoles were 4 primary, 2 of the others. You went in knowing that you sacrificed a console slot for the gimmick. I like that they changed the powers into consoles so that players could choose to ditch the gimmick for an extra console power. Added to that, if you did go with the gimmick, you could choose which console slot you sacrificed for that power. It gave more flexibility.
In response to the comment about making the powers innate again, I say this: "If you want the power AND 9 or 10 console slots, buy the Fleet Refit. It is that simple."
There is no reason what so ever to make the Defiant cloak a battlecloak. Only two ships really should have the cloak and that is the Defiant and the Galaxy-X. No other ship on screen (save the "antique" Enterprise, and the illegal Pegasus experiment). It is already a significant advantage for Fed players to have that. It also cheapens the KDF and Romulan gameplay. To the poster about the Defiant getting a battlecloak I say this: "Play a KDF BOP or play Romulan".
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I'm with him. I started playing a rommie toon recently, and while Battle Cloak sounds neat, all it is is just free hits on my hull for the enemy. it's more trouble than it's worth.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
It is not that simple.
Klingons and Romulans do not have to sacrifice a console slot for their cloaking devices (which they get alongside their special console abilities), so there's no reason why Federation ships should be singled out for an arbitrary restriction.
It's that simple.
Ha, you're playing a Rommie and you think it's dangerous cloaking under fire? Try doing it with the REAL battlecloakers, the KDF BoPs.
Romulans at least get ships Mogai-sized and bigger, that can conceivably survive more than one solid alphastrike to the hull.
The key thing is timing and maneuvering. You don't wanna just activate battlecloak whenever, you've gotta wait until you're out of the enemy's firing arc (not really an option against cruisers, sadly) or out of range entirely. Or, disrupt their sensors with sensor jam or w/e.
Of course, people flying Scimitars laugh in the face of attempts to kill them while cloaking, either because of that accursed secondary shielding or because of their high hull. You have to keep hitting them with cloak-disablers to keep them from constantly popping in and out of cloak.
Cloak is fine with standard settings. Allows you an alpha strike and allows you to cloak between fights. Does NOT need to be a battlecloak. However, it DOES need to ditch the freaking console. There are already far too many universal consoles to choose from. You can't load them all out already. You're losing basic cloak functionality if you sacrifice the cloak slot for something more useful.
While we're at it, make the "useless ensign" a universal slot! For TRIBBLE's sake! It's an advanced fleet ship! It has the lowest benefits of any advanced fleet ship over its Z-store companion!
No Defiant is a Romulan based cloak thus Battle cloak. the GalX intigrated regualr cloak
If your going by the show all cloaks were battle cloaks...So yea wouldn't suggest using that argument.
I like that all cloaks be battle cloak. just need to make the possibilities of punishing using it during a fight more available. in the TV Shows the Bridge LCARS always exploded more with the shields up while if the Enterprise got hit on the hull it just seemed to be a gentle thud I assumed it was backlash from damaged shields against the hull (a good trade off), what if there was backlash without shields from using a cloak.
but you forget that cloak was on LONE and latter destroyed ty come again
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Not to mention it wasnt a top of the line one anyway I think the Defiant could only go warp 3 with it active or something not maximum warp. but the I think the federation could out tech even the romulans making a cloak.
Good reason why not to TRIBBLE over Trek lore more, and keep the cloaks as consoles, iso innate skills for Starfleet.
On a sidenote, lots of stuff to do with so-called "useless 3rd tac ensign". Be creative ;-)
No it isn't.
What so many people seem to forget that the reason the Defiant and Gal-X cloaks are consoles is...
THAT IS THE BALANCING POINT.
You give up a console slot, and in turn gain a basic cloak.
Klingon ships to compare, with a basic cloak (like their BCs and raptors) are, on the average have less hull and shields in general compared to their similar Fed counterparts. Yes, they don't give up a console slot, but have it balance in other ways. BoPs lose a TON of hull and shields in regards to their battle cloaks.
Romulans...on paper they seem balanced, but not really, in regards to their cloaks.
So it won't ever change in regards to the Defiant and Gal-X.
Pretty sure that treaty got abrogated when Hobus blew. Also, at the bottom of that entry, it mentions that in STO, it was no longer in effect after Romulus got nuked by Hobus.
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
not in sto lore it didnt
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My name is Rage, and I too support a revised Galaxy family.
Aside from the fact that treaties that were made between the US and the Soviet Union are still effect today even though the SU no longer exists (meaing that's how it works in RL), it's in "The Path to 2409".
A couple of SF officers that experimented with cloaking tech AFTER the Hobus event were courtmartialed for violating the treaty.
If treaties were suddenly out of effect once the government changes that would mean
1.) EVERY treaty that goverment had made would suddenly expire and would have to be resigned, which is the dumbest way to run government you can imagine
2.) the defense of those officers would have had a field day and gotten them off the hook by using the "treaty no longer valid" defense.
No proof that the second Dfefiant didn't have it. And remeber though illegallly Fed made a phase cloak. so ty come again.
the firest president may have but who's to say the next one didn't. And it is up to the governments to uphold a treaty. the Russian Federation and the US decided to keep those treaties active. in STO they didn't in the end.
It's no balance, it's stupid. Most of KDF has cloak, all of Rommie has cloak. were are talking 2 ships with cloak and THEY have it as consoles. niot Balanced.
UMM...what?
Except in "The Path to 2409" it's explicitly stated that they did.
The Federation is actually not a bunch of d-bags who cancel treaties when it's convenient.
ya you just like that admiral from that EP and i can be sure the second one didnt have because it was never use and i think with what 2 years left after the first one was destroyed they would have used it at some point like get past the Dominion fleet to retake DS9 stop cherry picking
and ask for your out dated phase cloak romulans have that tech ty come again
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that what alot of ppl are and would love for the feds to be the same way why non of them ever have a command
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